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A fact from 1933 NFL Championship Game appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 December 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the NFL's first championship game was won by Chicago over New York via a successful hook and ladder play run by the Bears with less than two minutes remaining?

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On 3 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to 1933 NFL championship game. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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The following revision from 2016 appears to have mangled two paragraphs in the game discussion, resulting in a nonsense sentence.

Revision: (cur | prev) 00:22, 4 January 2016 2601:602:c102:31f0:b8e8:af8b:215:9b11 (talk) . . (11,254 bytes) (-1,021) . . (undo)

Nonsense sentence: "New York responded with a drive in which a 30 yard run ball to Newman who then passed it back to Strong for a touchdown. "

Diff the 4 Jan 2016 edit against the previous revision, and you see a much better description of the game action. I suggest reverting the edit in question, which does not appear to provide any value. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.26.5.48 (talk) 05:15, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:ACC Championship Game which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 23:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

This was withdrawn. Dicklyon (talk) 14:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 15 May 2024. The result of the move review was endorsed.

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 20:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit: As per a request on my talk page, I'll share the reasoning for closing this the way I did:

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@Gonzo fan2007: et al had the correct interpretation of MOS:SPORTSCAPS. The pre-Super Bowl championship games (and the conference championships, for that matter) are more often capitalised than not, especially as they're trademarked. Sceptre (talk) 23:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks, Sceptre (talk) 15:18, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

– NFL championship game is not a proper name, quite often lowercase in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 05:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Some data – Books n-grams show less than half capitalization, not the "consistently capitalized" that MOS:CAPS specifies. Dicklyon (talk) 05:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Comment no opinion on the facts yet, but I did want to note that the more appropriate wording from MOS:CAPS is found in MOS:SPORTSCAPS and says Specific competition titles and events (or series thereof) are capitalized if they are usually capitalized in independent sources. Note the difference between this wording and the consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources (emphasis from source) wording quoted in the nomination. ...usually capitalized seems to be a lower bar to clear than the nominator's rationale. Withholding my opinion for now to hear the discussion from my Wikipedia colleagues. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
What would be rationales for a lower bar for sports? We should consider WP:5P5:
The principles and spirit matter more than literal wording, and sometimes improving Wikipedia requires making exceptions.
—Bagumba (talk) 03:25, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Comment - I've notified WP:NFL of this RM. GoodDay (talk) 20:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Clear proper noun, even if un-creatively named so it's difficult to distinguish from a mere descriptive phrase. You know how one makes such a distinction? Capitalization of proper nouns. oknazevad (talk) 12:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: Per MOS:SPORTCAPS. Clear and obvious proper name if you do the research and don't always focus on ngrams which fail to tell the whole story. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose per Hey man im Josh. Blatantly obvious that this is a proper noun. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 18:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Dicklyon's decapitalization agenda. O.N.R. ^(talk) 05:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Support—is it boosterism that motivates those who want to cling to overcapping? Sorry, but this is a no-brainer in modern English: all of the important styleguides in the US and the UK say to minimise unnecessary caps. In what way are the caps "necessary"? It really is a stretch to call it a proper name, and considerable numbers of reliable sources out there are keeping up to date by not capping. Tony (talk) 06:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
Sure would be nice to see people not accuse others of bias just because they disagree, but alas, some people can't help it and it ends up happening every time there's disagreements in MoS discussions. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose — concurring with Hey man im Josh and also on a quick search, the NFL's official site appears to prefer the capitalized "Championship Game" for these games. To me, "colloquial usage is mixed capitalized/lowercase and the governing entity prefers capitalized" strongly says that Wikipedia should prefer capitalized. Krinn DNZ (talk) 22:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Support These are not intrinsically proper nouns|names but descriptive names - a game played to determine the NFL champion team for that year. They might be capitalised for emphasis or distinction but we don't do that per MOS:SIGNIFCAPS. Per WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS, we only cap if this is consistently done in independent sources. Evidence of mixed capitalisation per nom is well short of the threshold set by which we would cap these. What the NFL does is not relevant since it is not independent. MOS:SPORTCAPS capitalises proper names: it is not a catch-all. The evidence does not support it being a proper name. While the wording in SPORTSCAPS may be different from the general guidance it is a close paraphrase. There is no reasonable reason to assert that it is in substance different from the general guidance. Cinderella157 (talk) 22:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose, per Josh and others. Official sources capitalize it and it seems most others do as well. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose, this was the Super Bowl before there was a Super Bowl. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

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