Why are Catalunya en Comú–Podem, En Comú Podem and Barcelona en Comú in the same column, but don't Catalunya Sí que es Pot?
They have the same Composition. In Sub-national opinion polling for the 2019 Spanish general election are even FR and CUP-CC compared due only Poble Lliure!
Braganza (talk) 18:57, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Barcelona en Comú. It is a main component of CeC-P and ECP, but it has nothing to do with CSQP, as it did not run within it. Impru20talk 18:59, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes and why can FR be compared to CUP? The only party that did not compete with CSQP is Procés Constituent otherwise they are absolutely identical! Braganza (talk) 19:13, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- We have a column for BComú. BComú did not participate within CSQP, so it would be wrong to attribute that result to BComú.
- It was you who compared FR to CUP, so answer that yourself. Impru20talk 19:19, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
So aren't you @User:Impru20 (see here) Braganza (talk) 19:25, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I've not compared them in this article, which is what you suggested: that was you. On the issue of the other article, I did not wish to waste more space by creating an additional column in such an already oversized article. Nonetheless, Poble Lliure, and integral part of FR, is also within the CUP, so they do have something in common. This does not happen with BComú and CSQP.
- You could have always complained back at the time if you did really thought that FR and CUP shouldn't have been included in the same column at the other article, rather than raising this here as a false dilemma. Impru20talk 19:37, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I thought that was done deliberately, because there are overlaps, for the same reasons I am also in favor of BComú and CSQP being in the same column
After all, FR is a small coalition of 3 small parties where one is more or less a part of CUP and the other one is an alliance led by CUP, who in itself did not take part in FR.
It does not make any sense to say that part of a party has been insulted and that's why they are identical (FR and CUP-CC),
but to say in CSQP they are set up the same but are not officially part of each other and therefore have nothing to do with each other
Braganza (talk) 19:57, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Again, you are proposing a false dilemma. CUP and FR have some element parties in common. BComú was not within CSQP. The set up of CSQP was not the same as that of CeC-Podem and ECP because the party having a separate column here was not part of it, as simply as that. Thus, it's not accurate to consider CSQP's result as if it was BComú's, because the latter was not a member party of that coalition. Impru20talk 20:31, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
So I summarize your point briefly:
- FR may be compared to CUP-CC because PL and PIRATA.CAT belong to both alliances, although CUP decided against a candidacy[1]
- By contrast, BComú can not be compared to CSQP since BComú did not belong to CSQP, although Podemos, eQuo, EUiA and ICV belonged to both
Braganza (talk) 20:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Again, a false dilemma; please excuse me if I sound repetitive, but you seem to be deliberately ignoring a point I already pointed out clearly. There's not a column for Podemos, eQuo, EUiA and ICV. It is not a column for ECP or CeC-P, either: the column is for BComú, which is the party running in the Barcelona local election. BComú was a member of CeC-P and ECP, so their results may be comparable. BComú was not a member of CSQP. PL and Pirata.cat belong to both the CUP and FR. BComú did not belong to CSQP.
- Seriously, this is not difficult to understand. Impru20talk 20:58, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Could we agree on something like that (it's just a suggestion)?
I understand your point entirely, but at 2017 Catalan regional election and Regional opinion polling for the 2015 Spanish general election, for example, CeC-P and ECP are compared with CSQP, and this is inconsistent because one can well ask why ECP is compared with BComú and ECP with CSQP but not BComú with CSQP
I repeat it again I fully understand your opinion Braganza (talk) 21:22, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Well, you say you understand but you don't seem to do it. CeC-P and ECP may be compared to CSQP when the columns are for CeC-P and ECP, because they share member parties (in fact, CeC-P and ECP are essentially the same, and they are almost the same than CSQP with the change that this one doesn't include BComú). The column here is for BComú. BComú was not a member of CSQP, and as such did not run in the 2015 Catalan regional election. You can't show a number for BComú there because that's unaccurate. Seriously, it is as simple as that. And it's incredible we have already wasted over 7 kB worth of comments just for trying to explain you this. Impru20talk 21:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
I UNDERSTAND IT! I mean, from a reader's point of view, it can be confusing! But I do not understand why FR is compared with CUP-CC either says it goes after the composition or after the official election. CUP is at least officially not insulted but only smaller parts[2] Braganza (talk) 06:18, 1 May 2019 (UTC)