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Hi guys -- I had never heard of Ms Palmer until I stumbled on her page here in Wikipedia. A very interesting person, no question about it, and very original! I made very few changes since I don't know much about her, but I did do a little reorg, moved the References section to the end, etc. I also removed a number of non-essential wikilinks per the wiki style guide recommendations (for example, every date doesn't need to be linked). Only items whose content would enhance the reader's understanding of the current article should be linked (what the style guide recommendations refers to as "major connections...and...technical terms"), and of those only the first occurrence (or, if the article is REALLY long, maybe the first occurrence in a section) should be linked. (See Wikipedia Manual of style and style guide recommendations.) I think it actually reads better now -- less links means less distractions to the reader :) Bookgrrl 18:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
disambiguation: the reporter Amanda Palmer; http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8FEAAFBE-72CF-4119-BE38-43DC6000105E.htm
I don't think that the Amanda Palmer lemma needs a Dresden Dolls chapter, while the Dresden Dolls got their own lemma. From my point of view, it's redundant and I would vote for replacing it. It's enough to mention that she's the singer/songwriter/pianist... of The Dresden Dolls and everyone who's interested may click to the other lemma.
If you think it's worth keeping nevertheless, then at least the solo stuff "...most stylish woman in Boston...", "...has begun recording for a new solo album..." etc. doesn't belong in such a chapter. Oh and "new solo album" implies that there is an old one already (besides her early demos).
Agreements? Other opinions? Greetings, Konsumkind 21:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Would this deserve a mention? The Guardian has run a piece about it, and the controversy seems to be getting more & more attention. Amanda's label told her she looked too fat for her music video, and fans begun to take pictures of their own bellies with messages on them; sending them into Roadrunner Records. Here's the link to The Guardian's piece. I think the controversy is worth a mention at least, because it is growing. It started out very small about a week ago, and now it's grown to this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/dec/03/dresden-dolls-roadrunner . There is even http://www.TheRebellyon.com . As you can tell, 'The Rebellyon' is the chosen name for this "movement". 71.59.189.46 (talk) 07:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Pitchfork Magazine has recently run an article about this as well. I feel it is notable enough to deserve a mention, so I will at least try. Feel free to fix up what I say. http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/147869-dresden-dolls-palmer-tangles-with-label-over-tummy 71.59.189.46 (talk) 00:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Could someone expand on this? I created the piece, but it's very crappy. I rushed it, and there are so many other pieces of information I am missing. I just wanted to create it. Blindeffigy (talk) 01:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Should Amanda's new project, Evelyn Evelyn be mentioned on this page? Shivers talk 18:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Is the Dresden Dolls really at this point the only notable accomplishment worth mentioning in the intro? I think her solo career and pioneering in the New Music Industry have reached that status, but I'll wait for other opinions to add that. Linguistixuck (talk) 17:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know if she's had any vocal training? If so, please add it to her biography. Biographies of singers/musical artists should contain that sort of information as it is relevant to understanding why she sings the way she does. If she is trained a certain way, we can better understand her decision for singing another way in some of her songs. --Ttrancommenter (talk) 12:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
It used to say 1990 something.. But she started her first demo album in '89, as in making songs for it. The name of her demo album is "Songs from 1989..." so, wouldn't that be more accurate? Blindeffigy (talk) 13:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
With there only being two articles named Amanda Palmer, I do not see the justification in creating a disambiguation page; especially not when one of the two is clearly more notable than the other. Sirrontail (talk) 20:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
If the new disambiguation page isn't undone, the editors who created it should
finish cleaning up the links. see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Amanda_Palmer
almost all of which are to the (artist). Lentower (talk) 02:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I think mentioning her abortion and rape isn't particularly notable, and it seems intrusive and very personal. We really don't need to put everything she writes in her blog on here. We may as well chronicle her menstrual cycle if we're going to do that. I'm taking it down if I don't get any argument. 65.175.147.98 (talk) 05:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Palmer's staff are asking on twitter for help "improving" their articles here: . If that means correcting inaccuracies and supplying more reliable sourcing, it's a good thing; if it means spinning things in Palmer's favor, it's not so good. In any case we should probably be on the alert for changes to this and related articles. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:02, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
The text "Amanda's semi-autobiographical lyrics tell a story of rape and abortion as told from the perspective of a teenager, who gets through the traumatic experience thanks to her preoccupation with the Brit-pop band Oasis. The subject matter of the song, and the up-beat way it was portrayed in the video, proved to be too much for broadcasters to handle." is plagiarized directly from the site used as a citation for "semi-autobiographical". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qrohlf (talk • contribs) 19:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
The bit about Amanda being seduced by her piano teacher- where does that info come from? Is it a verifiable and credible source? If not it should probably be removed from the article. --Dino213aa 23:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
-Does it really need to state the fact that she started playing in a band without being able to read music considering the millions of musicians who can't read the dots.
I'm not even sure weather "Despite the fact that Palmer never learned to read music..." is true... and even less sure that it's relevant - I'm not gonna edit the page b'cus I'm a complete No0b BUT when I saw Amanda recently at a gig in London (ICA 21st Aug '08) she did a cover (I forget what) and stated that since she couldn't find the song anywhere on the internet [in order to learn it by ear] she contacted the artist and got him to send her the sheet music.. now I'm not trying to do a Jessica Fletcher impression.. but why would she ask for the sheet music if she cant read it? Lhynnan (talk) 11:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I was going to just comment on the line:
"Despite the fact that Palmer never learned to read music (though she briefly took lessons at two different times), she started a solo effort, named "Amanda Palmer and the Void"."
but since it's already been discussed I'm just going to delete it. If somebody wants to revert it fine, but reword it so it doesn't sound like it was written by a fifth grader, offer justification for why not reading sheet music is relevant to whether one has a solo career, and put it somewhere where it belongs (not where it currently is). Sorry to be the douche but it just needs to be deleted.
Timothyjwood (talk) 21:21, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
-does anyone know anything about her weird eyebrows? Are they tattoos?
There seems to be a very small following that is under the impression that Amanda Palmer was once a man; here's a site that mentions it . The comment on that page reads...
Anonymous said... Are you, or have you ever been, a man? I mean, there seems to be a lot of hints in your songs. "It's not the way I'm meant to be, it's just the way the operation made me?" And I mean, the titles! "Sex Changes?" "Half Jack?" (Like half a man?) Also! Your name is Amanda! Like, "A man, duh!" Please clarify this
While I don't believe this to be true, does this warrant enough sources to be mentioned in the article? Eedo Bee 05:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
on her myspace(www.myspace.com/whokilledamandapalmer)there pictures of her as a litle girl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.83.13 (talk) 18:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a biographical article about a talented woman who is a writer, artist, and musician, just to name a few! The inttroduction is really one of two spots where you may expect to find the closest thing to acceptable POV (sort of); by finding articles that support and/or appreciate the artist's various abilities. Flattering clips from various newspapers and magazines are used best in the intro. The last thing you want to see are comments from Palmer's blog, with her intended future work clouding out her acheivements. Lead paragraphs. are of critical importance. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lead section). This article does not represent a biographer's view of the subject. It also causes problems when some Wikipedian editors leave the article, and nobody knows what "right now" means or how long it was. Finally, involving all these professors etc. who are not in the Wikipedia at all in the lead is truly inappropriate. Unless someone can explain the plans they have for leaving a paragraph full of red links on the article (and not in a sandbox) I think it would be wise to be bold, and remove the second part of the intro with a decent re-write. How do others here feel? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 08:32, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Give a URL to http://diberri.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi?ddb=&type=url&id=&vertical=1&extended=1&add_param_space=1&add_ref_tag=1&dont_strip_trailing_period=1&full_journal_title=1&link_journal=1&add_text_url=1&add_accessdate=1 - and it will generate a lot of a <ref>{{cite www template, with the empty arguments ready to fill in. select, Ctl-a, Ctl-c, change windows/tabs, select, Ctl-v: VIOLA!!! Lentower (talk) 01:14, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I just got the last bare URL cite expanded, and removed this box {{Cleanup-link rot|date=June 2010}}
from the article. Please use the citation generation tool mentioned above to prevent this in the future: http://diberri.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi?ddb=&type=url&id=&vertical=1&extended=1&add_param_space=1&add_ref_tag=1&dont_strip_trailing_period=1&full_journal_title=1&link_journal=1&add_text_url=1&add_accessdate=1
Goes Down Under is listed as a studio album. Maybe I'm a little bit dumb, but ain't studio albums supposed to be recorded in a studio opposed to being recorded mostly live? -- 217.85.53.104 (talk) 12:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I believe that the Dresden Dolls did a cover version of I Love Rock 'N Roll, and not just Amanda by herself. I have the version where it's both of them, and I am going to remove that from the list unless there is a version of just herself.
Also, Kaledrina is both of them. Oreo
amanda originally did kaledrina before brian was ever in the picture. she has recently performed it solo also. it's solo material that he has played on.
Palmer has increasing used the ukulele in her career -> great writing skills —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.25.60 (talk) 16:57, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
There's been some discussion on whether Palmer actually married Neil Gaiman. The answer depends on your opinion of what marriage is, it seems: she's married, but hasn't done the paperwork (I don't know how the specifics work in the US): http://twitter.com/amandapalmer/status/2481702320476160 —me_and 03:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Amanda's success with at least two Kickstarter campaigns is much more encyclopedic than LOFNOTC. It also has many reliable sources. It be better for this article and Wikipedia's readers to put energy into adding the Kickstarter campaigns. Lentower (talk) 17:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
This LOFNOTC sub-section is not encyclopedic. It's a tiny, almost insignificant part of Amanda's story. We do not include every tiny fact about a subject in an article, but the significant ones. Finding Wikipedia quality secondary and tertiary sources to support text about her wider use of the Internet, often ground-breaking use, is what this article needs. E.g the Kickstarter campaigns.
Using the Open Salon source to support text about how she uses the Internet would be a good add. Especially, if other sources are added that give the big picture.
This sub-section, and much of this article use too many primary sources. They are not suppose to be the only or main citation for a section of text, but to be used sparsely for support. Lentower (talk) 17:37, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Amanda & her husband, Neil Gaiman have had a large effect on each other's careers, including a history of joint performances. If it was written to Wikipedia standards, and to the extent it could be supported by Wikipedia quality sources, this would be a fascinating and encyclopedic addition to both their articles (and others who were involved, e.g. Kyle Cassidy).
Instead there is the barest mention of their courtship and marriage.
Their joint Kickstarter campaign in 2011 would be a place to start, and has Wikipedia quality sources available.
Ditto, Amanda's May 2012 Kickstarter campaign for her new album. Neil had minor roles there, but those adds would be mostly to this article.
I'm not aware of Amanda or Neil having any other Kickstarter campaigns, but this should be checked. Lentower (talk) 18:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Source 75:
^ Mike Errico (December 2006). "Hottest Women of...Rock!". Blender.com. Retrieved December 8, 2007. "Amanda Palmer – The pianist and singer of Brechtian Boston duo Dresden Dolls mashes up punk rock
Links to a Page Not Found page on Blender. Not experienced enough to resolve this myself, but I thought I'd point it out. 69.208.89.23 (talk) 07:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I think this sentence is a bit weird: "Despite the fact that Palmer never learned to read music (though she briefly took lessons at two different times), she formed a band called "Amanda Palmer and the Void". I would venture that many bands have members (especially singers) who can't read music- i don't see that it's particularly relevant. Thoughts? 79.68.124.177 (talk) 21:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
So...I just saw a Bill O'Reilly play a clip of her reciting a "poem" about the Boston bombing, calling her "a far-left loon", etc.
Guessing the "Controversy" section gets a new bullet?
184.17.171.22 (talk) 03:53, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
I think it's of encyclopedic significance--this has made Palmer known to lots of people who hadn't heard of her before. I added an item "A Poem for Dzhokhar" under "Controversies", with a reference to news coverage, as well as links both to the original poem and her commentary on it two days later (with a pull-quote from the commentary). -- Narsil (talk) 17:40, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
For some reason, there were three "citation needed" tags on the following two sentences:
First, I don't understand what's so controversial about the fact that Palmer has many musician friends. Second, and most importantly, there is certainly no need for three CN tags on that short passage. I removed them once, and someone readded them. Please do not readd them again, without explaining in detail why such an uncontroversial passage needs 3 CN tags, when once citation at the end would be plenty. LHM 17:13, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no overt mention of Neil Gaiman in the opening paragraph? Many Wikipedia articles I've seen have a line like "She is married to so-and-so" right in the top section.
I realize there's a superscript which mentions Gaiman in passing, but 1) the point of this note isn't to identify Palmer's spouse, it's to explain one of her surnames; and 2) to a reader who isn't reading every footnote along the way, it would be easy to miss this information. It seems to me the kind of information one would want prominently visible in the opening lines of the article, because it involves another famous person. Chillowack (talk) 00:16, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
I have removed, for the second time, the quote where Palmer describes her preferred body type. This kind of remark is not included in other biographical articles, and frankly I suspect it's only being included here to make the article "sexier". The quote itself is not especially interesting or noteworthy and does not belong in an encyclopedia article. The interview it appears in is already linked so those wishing to know more about Palmer's sex life can get to it easily. CKarnstein (talk) 18:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I have added a section to the Personal section that is extracted from an October 2013 blog post, so please feel free to revert or revise as you all see fit. Thanks.--Soulparadox (talk) 10:39, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
See #Article's Focus. I split off a general issue, from the Personal Life discussion. Lentower (talk) 20:01, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
(In my experience on Wikipedia, both editing and on the policy/administrative side) most editors can understand the specifics from the {{Wikipedia_policies_and_guidelines}}. Most editors don't answer queries about an article change after consensus has been reached. But I'll do a little more mentoring here. In the hope it will help you become an even better Wikipedian. (My word usage is Wikipedian, not common English.)
My feeling, as I have probably stated here already, is that the controversies section still has too much focus on "Amanda made a blog post this week about [topic du jour]". Per WP:RECENT, we should focus on stuff that's still going to be seen as a significant part of her life years from now. Her music, yes. The fact that she is active on the internet, also yes. Her general sex-positive activism, with some examples (the daily mail incident, the Lady Gaga song, the fact that her song Berlin refers to her early days as a stripper), yes. Blowing up these examples into "controversies" each with their own paragraph, no. Basically, step back and look at the big picture. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Many readers are interested in a person's influences. Only a few of Ms. Palmer's are mentioned. Please add others. (Unfortunately, the Infobox in use does not have a parameter for this.) — Lentower (talk) 17:19, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I see afp used in conjunction a lot especially on youtube videos. It seems to possibly have to do with the f word, but I find it odd that it would have to do with this singer and added to her middle initial. Anybody have any info on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.31.254 (talk) 04:40, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
This nickname is unacceptable as it is not in common usage, has nothing to do with censorship. Therefore, it should be redacted as the entire article redirect as Amanda "Fucking" Palmer. It is also worth noting that if she is fucking Palmer, it is an incest reference which is illegal. 62.253.5.4 (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I see that this information has been re-added. However, all the sources are utterly primary:
and one independent source
That is then used to support "sometimes known as Amanda Fucking Palmer", and to support that it is a recognised alias ("also known as" in infobox) - one independent mention seems a bit thin for that. If she is really 'known' for that alias, there must be more, significantly independent sourcing for that. --Dirk Beetstra T C 05:45, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
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Actually .. no sources .. --Dirk Beetstra T C 08:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Stripping the search to https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&as_epq=amanda%20fucking%20palmer gives http://hangout.altsounds.com/news/143458-amanda-palmer-releases-polly.html and http://www.tonedeaf.com.au/reviews/shows/134453/mikelangelo-and-the-tin-star.htm . That is a bit more.
However, you still have not addressed that the current phrasing is not independently sourced, while 'also known as' implies firmly that independent people do address her like that. --Dirk Beetstra T C 08:12, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, some of these are pretty much suitable references which make it true. I see no problem in adding some of these ... it certainly makes the statement stronger. --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:00, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
She also refers to herself as AFP. Maybe that should be added in her AKA. Chavando (talk) 06:10, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I just removed "Amanda Fucking Palmer" from the infobox because there were no reliable sources to back up the nickname, even the discussion above regarding that nickname shows no reliable sources, also the links used in the infobox consist of 2 blogs (tumblr and twitter), a book reference which leads to an arts magazine that says nothing about Amanda Palmer at all, and a third one which appears to be a media site, but which also may fail RS. I read the discussion about her nickname, and even though there are references, again, none appear to be reliable. Per BLP a reliable source has to confirm that nickname. KoshVorlon Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 12:15, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
It's clear that these sources are reliable. Also the usage meets BLP, as they come from the subject of the article uses the stage name. — Lentower (talk) 03:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
can you anybody find an archived version of this broken link?
cit. 62: Amanda Palmer (February 3, 2009). "on Abortion, Rape, Art and Humor.". Retrieved January 12, 2011.
Link http://blog.amandapalmer.net/post/75463717/on-abortion-rape-art-and-humor is no longer valid. --Fraktik (talk) 12:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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this list could go on and on and on. nip it in the bud before too many people add to it? user:wwwiii2
It's a possiblity, but..it isn't too long yet. I think it helps if we have this section, because Amanda doesn't always note that it's a cover song or not. Oreo
there's a whole list of her songs (and whether or not they're covers) on the shadowbox. i don't see why it needs to be transferred over here. just sayin'. wwwiii2
It helps give the proper credit to whoever wrote the song originially. Some covers she does aren't popular songs in the media, so one could easily confuse it's her own song. Oreo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xoreox (talk • contribs) 05:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I was looking through amanda palmer's music on grooveshark, and came across an 18 track album called "Amanda is Busting Out All Over", which doesnt appear to be listed in this article. It includes 2 versions of "Ampersand" which appears on Who Killed Amanda Palmer, The Point Of It All, also on Who Killed..., and a cover of On The Radio by Regina Spektor (incidentally, the article for this song does mention that Amanda has performed this song live), and some songs I don't recognize at first sight. I havent listed to all the songs, but the ones i have listened to are live, so this is probably a live album. I don't have any other sources, as I wouldnt know where to look! (wikipedia is usually where i would get this information). ~~12:45 8/8/11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.73.169 (talk) 11:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
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