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Order of battle

Regarding the complaint posted on the order of battle: The list badly needed to be wikified, and I tried to organize things by squadron (to avoid a duplicate long list of ships in the middle of the article). I did not realize the original order was important; my apologies. I have a long weekend vacation coming up; is no-one has fixed the article before i come back, I plan to put the ships back in a table with column headings as follows:

1. Order
2. Name
3. Type
4. Captain
5. Squadron
6. Comments

Will this do? Sysin 15:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I have added a table with the Russian ships (in order) listed. I think all the information is now in there but in case I missed something the old text is below. I don't think there is enough info for a table for the Turkish - I'll work the information into the text.

Ships involved:

On 5 July, the battleships came into action in the order listed:

Russia (Count Orlov)

• Orlov's squadron
  • Battleship:
    • Tri Ierarcha 66 (flag of Count Orlov, captain Greig)
  • Bomb Ship:
    • Grom 12
• Spiridov's squadron
  • Battleships:
    • Evropa 66 (captain Klokatchev)
    • Sv. Evstafii 68 (captain Kruse) - Blew up, 5 July
    • Tri Svyatitelya 66
    • Sv. Ianuarii 66
    • Rostislav 68
  • Frigate
  • Sv. Nikolai 26/38?
• Elphinston's squadron
  • Battleships:
    • Ne tron menya 66
    • Saratov 66
    • Svyatoslav 84 (Elphinston)
  • Frigates:
    • Afrika 32
    • Nadezhda 32
  • Armed merchant ships possibly involved:
    • Sv. Pavel 8 (pink) or Potchtalon 14 (despatch vessel)
    • Graf Tchernyshev 22 (hired English)
    • Graf Panin 18 (hired English)
    • Graf Orlov 18 (hired English)
• Other
  • Fireships: (about 718 guns, total)
    • ? (Dugdale) - Sunk by 2 Turkish galleys, 7 July
    • ? (Mackenzie) - Scuttled and attacked a ship already burning, 7 July
    • ? (Ilin) - Scuttled, 7 July, burning 1 ship
    • ? (Prince Gagarin) - Stayed out
    • A number of Greek armed merchant and pirate ships

Turkey (Hosameddin)

Details uncertain - about 1300 guns total

• Real Mustafa 84 (Hassan Pasha) - Blew up, 5 July
• Rodos 60 - Captured, 7 July
• ? 100 (flag of Hosameddin?) - Burnt, 7 July
• 11-13 other battleships - Burnt, 7 July
• 6 frigates - Burnt, 7 July
• 6 xebecs - Burnt, 7 July
• 13 galleys - 8 burnt and 5 captured, 7 July
• 32 small craft - Burnt, 7 July

Andreww 06:50, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

More info

I found a history of the Russian Navy with a page on the Battle of Chesma. This may be useful for fact checking and giving sources. Does anybody have better references? Andreww 23:42, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

My reference is the "Naval Battles in the Levant 1559-1853" for all of the battles in this area. Most battles don't seem to be even mentioned anywhere else, let alone described in detail. I prefer a table or list showing both fleets, rather than the way the page is now, with one in a table and one in the text, but oh well. SpookyMulder 15:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Where exactly was it?

It would be nice if someone actually pointed out exactly where in Ceshme this battle took place. I have been going there for the summers for years, and there is no mention or trace of this catastrophy (depends on one's point of view I realize!) and I can not find any info where exactly this battle took place (not that I searched it that exhaustively). All I know is that in most of the waters around Ceshme one can not anchor or dive, the area is protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.77.162.23 (talk) 01:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)