Is the original author of the article able to add the secret society and mafia aspects please.
- Why mafia? They were a secret society that included mostly high-ranking officers and government officials. --User:milosj
- Prior to the ascendancy of the Gambino family in the US' golden era of the mafia, the Italian mafia was referred to by the apellation "The Black Hand" as well. There should be a disambiguation page.Citizenposse 02:59, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- well.. there should be
- The "black hand" was a criminal organization born in Italy (Naples) and spread in the USA. "BLACK HAND - symbol and name for a criminal and terroristic secret society, and especially associated with the Mafia and the Camorra. The Black Hand flourished in Sicily in the late 19th cent., and in the United States it was especially active in New York City at the beginning of the 20th cent. It is estimated that at one time 90% of New York City's Italian population was blackmailed by letters threatening death and marked with a black hand. Famous incidents associated with the Black Hand include the murder (1890) in New Orleans of chief of police Daniel Hennessy and the shooting (1909), in Palermo, Italy, of Lt. Joseph Petrosino of the New York City police.
"The Black Hand “new York"
The black hand of NY is said to be a organization that was created to better the communities of new York city originally started in 1997 by a William Clark ask masters the first so called godfather of the hand. Who was mostly known for is brutal ways of dealing with issues in the NY area. the true creation of the black hand was discovered in 1999 after masters was assassinated in a rival cartel situation it was then understood that the black hand was an organized crime family taking over for the family of 475 members and 60 different operation was Jason Anthony young who later mysteriously disappeared along with many members. Since then little or no knowledge of the Black Hand has been found or given. Some say he was a mastermind that often quoted that the best trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he doesn’t exist. But yet his actions still linger in plain sight. It is said that the Black Hand is now more than a million strong and growing every year undetected unseen unmentioned
Ran buy a super genius and master computer hacker. Make no mistake the Black Hand is still alive and kicking today...
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst;jsessionid=HvfRNGFTCBP6kCT6XGRygfmt36Q9tKYLpBBFMWDSxvQQFCQ3s9T0!1063769811?a=o&d=112847639
http://www.onewal.com/maf-bib.html
Jackblues 20:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Hmmmm, a criminal organization that uses bloodthirsty violence for their own power, advancement and aggrandizement. Am I describing the Sicilian Black Hand or the Serbian Black Hand. Trick question!!!! It is both. Somebody please tell me what the difference is between the Chicago mobster Al Capone, who "allegedly" beat two men to death with a baseball bat, and the Serb freak show, Dimitrijevic who riddled the bodies of King Alexander and Queen Draga with bullets, literally hacked them to pieces, and then dumped the parts into the street. [1] This is the head of the Serbian Black Hand. Kuk1910 (talk) 02:34, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- You are clearly trying to be funny by comparing a selfish brutal beating to a political assassination. You clearly have some personal hateriot towards Black Hand and that being evident you should refrain from editing the article and the related ones, and leave it to editors able to maintain a NPOV on the matter. FkpCascais (talk) 02:48, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
No, I am using humor to point up the contemptible nature of both organizations, and to point out how little difference there was between them. Pity that you missed that point, but your bias got in the way. One must suppose, by your writing, that in your world view, it is perfectly OK to shoot, stab, dismember and defile someone you disagree with politically.
I am sure that King Alexander Obrenovic and Queen Draga would have failed to appreciate the distinction that you have made between the two crimes. Which brings us to the main point of my observation, and the question that your biased, non-NPOV exposition has failed to answer. What is the difference in the two sets of murders? Neither Al Capone nor Dragutin Dimitrijevic are God and neither had the right to decide, on their own usurped authority, who lives or who dies.
Both individuals personally and materially profited from their taking of another human being's life, and neither lost any sleep over it. Allow me to quote Dusan Batakovic, of the Institute for Balkan Studies, in Belgrade, Serbia. "The King’s aides-de-camp, chiefs of the General Staff, commandants of military schools and other military institutions, brigade and division commanders, were exclusively recruited from the military personnel loyal to the conspirators regardless of their rank, experience and skills."[2] In short, murder for fun and profit. Captain Dimitrijevic shot up to full Colonel very quickly and was Chief of Military Intelligence, a rank and post he would not have held were it not for his part in the Obrenovics' murder.
Capone would view his murders as nothing more than the justifiable enforcing of loyalty to La Cosa Nostra. Dimitrijevic would resort to "patriotism" as a justification, which I am sure you will use on his behalf. In Dimitrijevic's case, to quote Samuel Johnson, patriotism is, indeed, "the last refuge of a scoundrel"Kuk1910 (talk) 04:01, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
References
{{cite book|author=Frederick Morton|title=Thunder at Twilight|date=1989|publisher=MacMillan Publishing Company|isbn=0-684-19143-1|page=191|
Batakovic, Dusan (2013). "317" (Storm over Serbia, The rivalry between civilian and military authorities 1911 -1914). Retrieved 2015-09-01.
You will not see that political motives are different to ordinary greed. They may be worse ( or better) but it is not the same thing. I speak as an opponent of the Black Hand, Serbian.
On Johnson, his saying was not, as is widely believed, about patriotism in general, but what he saw as the false use of the term "patriotism" by William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham and his supporters. Johnson opposed "self-professed patriots" in general, but valued what he considered "true" patriotism. I disagree with him about Pitt, but he should not be misquoted, as he often is by people who want to show a rag of learning. 2A00:23C5:E08D:8A00:7C8D:3A11:DACF:8DD6 (talk) 12:16, 14 January 2020