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The article states, "According to American journalist Charlie Cranston John K. Cooley, the BSO represented . . . " Which was it? Was it Charlie Cranston or John K. Cooley? Or both? It seems that Cooley authored the quote, but I am somewhat ignorant of the subject. Can someone fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by William Rehtworc (talk • contribs) 19:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Text removed from article because it's entirely speculative. Also, we have a sentence "sources say". Which sources? DanKeshet 18:02 Feb 8, 2003 (UTC)
The links provide evidence of the links, or at least claims of links. Why is Alberuni deleting them? Is every single source that says something Alberuni doesn't like "biased"? Jayjg 19:54, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The Black September Organization (BSO) was formed in 1971 as a clandestine wing of al-Fatah. BSO was founded with the objective to avenge the expulsion of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) from Jordan in September of 1970. This time was referred to as ?Black September,? hence the name chosen by the Black September Organization. While Black September was originally described as a splinter group of al-Fatah, direct linkages between the groups were revealed with the arrests of BSO agents. Al-Fatah formed Black September in order to circumvent an al-Fatah declaration that they would not interfere in the domestic policies of Arab nations. However, some al-Fatah members planned to assassinate King Hussein, ruler of Jordan from 1953 to 1999. Hence, Black September was partially formed in order to pursue this specific objective. While Black September failed several times to assassinate King Hussein, the group is notorious for a number of brutal, high-profile terrorist incidents. Black September expanded their list of targets from the Jordanian government to include Israeli and U.S. citizens and facilities. The group also carried out attacks against general ?Western? targets. Black September is infamous for its attack against Israeli athletes and coaches at the 1972 Munich Olympics. In retaliation for the attacks against Israel citizens and facilities, Israel launched a significant response to eliminate the terrorist organization. Israeli security forces retaliated against BSO terrorists in Western Europe and Lebanon. Following the Israeli response, al-Fatah dissolved Black September in December 1974. Black September "Many terrorist experts speculate that Arafat controlled the BSO and utilized it as his primary military force. Arafat attempted to keep the association at arm's length to provide a factor of plausible deniability." More sources for dismissal: Jayjg 01:57, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Arafat/Fatah linked to Black September is just a sleazy way of spreading disinformation. See Wikipedia:Avoid weasel terms. --Alberuni 13:23, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The document linking Arafat and the PLO to Black September is likely a forgery. It purports to be a poor quality reproduction of a "secret" State Department telegram from 1973 that the Jewish Virtual Library cites as coming from WorldNetDaily, a notoriously biased site. The supposedly secret document has no provenance indicating how WorldNetDaily came into its possession and there is no validation of its contents from any official verifiable source. If this is not the official position of the US government, why is Wikipedia perpetuating unsubstantiated Zionist hasbara propaganda? Deleted. --Alberuni 16:45, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I suggest you take a look around [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ the site]... let's just say their POV is beyond obvious, and their motives for faking something given that POV are clear. As usual with fringe news sources, there aren't too many comments on them online, although I quite like this blogger's. - Mustafaa 22:05, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
A couple of articles have deigned to notice it: , , , , , , , although their own sources are no doubt a bit POV. And, of course, it's home of the notoriously Islamophobic Ann Coulter. - Mustafaa 22:20, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I thought it had been established that Abu Iyad, Arafat's security chief, was in charge of Black September. In his book Stateless, he wrote: "Black September was not a terrorist organization, but was rather an auxiliary unit of the resistance movement, at a time when the latter was unable to fully realize its military and political potential. The members of the organization always denied any ties between their organization and Fatah or the PLO."
I understood this to mean that Black September was a "claim name" attached to certain operations, rather than a fixed and specific group of people; or if it was a fixed group, it was a small number of Fatah people prepared to go the extra mile when required to. In the animal rights movement, if a group of people (or even one person) carries out a non-violent act, they might claim it as Animal Liberation Front. If it's violent, then it'd be Animal Rights Militia. It's the same thing here. Sorry if this issue has already been covered. Slim 10:44, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
Regarding Arafat/Munich: Alberuni's NPOV version above is not accurate, in my view. Journalist Alexander Wolff did not write that Abu Daoud simply believed the Munich operation had the endorsement of Arafat (as though he wasn't sure whether it did or not). Rather, this journalist (and many others) reported that Abu Daoud stated, very clearly in his autobiography, that the operation did have Arafat's endorsement. Abu Daoud was in a position to know and he wrote in his book that he did know, not that he merely believed it. He was a primary source and what he said therefore has to be quoted, not interpreted. The phrase "had the endorsement of" does not mean "would have endorsed it had he known about it." It means "did endorse it" which of course means he knew about it.
Alberuni, I feel you may be flogging a dead historical horse here. Arafat never denied he was involved in Munich, so far as I know. There's no Middle East journalist that I know of who claims Arafat was not involved, even if only as an "endorser." My own feeling is to say he only endorsed it is already a charitable interpretation of history in favor of Arafat. Slim 01:51, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)
It is a hasbara propaganda channel. The quotes taken from there and Worldnetdaily will be deleted. This isn't Ziopedia. Get neutral sources and leave the hasbara at home.
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I correct myself, looking over the record that's actually 5 reverts in one day for you, Alberuni. I strongly encourage you to respect Wikipedia policies, of which you are well aware. Jayjg 06:36, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Alberuni, there are three primary sources who appear to have talked about Arafat and Munich:
(a) Arafat -- If, as you say, he has denied involvement, please supply a quote or citation of some kind, so that his denial can be included in the article;
(b) Abu Iyad -- He was Arafat's security chief and he wrote a book in which he talked about Black September. Yet you deleted his quote from the article. Why?
(c) Abu Daoud -- He says he planned Munich and that Arafat "endorsed" it. If you're saying he wrote his book in Arabic, and that he gave the Sports Illustrated interview in Arabic, can we find the original Arabic and have it translated by some Arabic-speaking Wikipedians? My understanding is that he spoke fluent English and would have given the interviews to the journalist and the publisher in English. I am willing to try and track down the Sports Illustrated journalist to ask him if you, Alberuni, are willing to find out whether Abu Daoud's book was written in Arabic, then translated. Let me know if you think we should do that.
Even if Abu Daoud did give the interview in Arabic, and if the book was written in Arabic, don't you feel the translators would have been extra careful to get that crucial bit right? Slim 07:19, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)
Did the Cooley quote actually use the word "cut-offs"? "Each cell's members were kept ignorant of other cells. Leadership was exercised from outside by intermediaries and 'cut-offs'" The correct term is "cut-outs". --Alberuni 17:23, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
There should be something on there about the after math of the munich games with the following facts:
1) The leaders of it were tracked down and killed. 2) Part of the operation included Barak going into lebanon 3) During one of the assasinations of an alledged black sepetermber person they killed the wrong person in i believe norway, that cuased a bit of a raw between israel and normay (I believe it was some european country) Since Israel wanted its spy back.
I dont have the source on me, i saw it on a special on the history channel. But its relavent to it.
When I looked up Black September, the 2nd entry directed me to a page about a "terrorist" organization. Why is the word "terrorist" surrounded by quotation marks? { unsigned}
Lead in paragraph describes them as "militant organization". I think this is a mislabeling based on the era (time Frame) of their operation. If they operated after 2002 they would be called a "Terrorist organization". Why are they labelled as inactive status - and no mention of how /why classifed such Wfoj3 (talk) 11:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Has it been clearly established that the people killed/murdered/assisinated by Mossad were indeed the people arrested? Given the covert nature of such an operation as well as the covert nature of the people involved, establishing a clear link between the two would seem rather difficult, especially in 1973... Nil Einne 15:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
In the Movie Munich the CIA is said to support Black September financially. Is this true? Anyone have any sources? Tchadienne 16:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Munich never said anything about the CIA funding black september
Why was the group called "Black September" instead of being named after a month of the islamic calendar? 193.171.121.30 20:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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Any thoughts on this link http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200112/hoffman where the author claims Black September was dissolved by all its members being married off? The current article doesn't mention anything about how Black September ceased to exist. --Gwern (contribs) 02:52 13 April 2009 (GMT)
In the Global Terrorism Database, I see there's a group called "Black September II", which had several attacks, including 4 fatalities and dozens of injuries, and in one case, it targeted Jordanian diplomats (Azmi Al-Mufti, Bucharest, Romania, 1984). Should the operations of this organization be included in this article or make a new one? bogdan (talk) 14:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for over two weeks. Jenks24 (talk) 10:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Black September (group) → Black September Organization – This was the group's official name. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC) Charles Essie (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
why is Black September not called a terrorist organization, they clearly fit all criteria, kidnapping and killing a group of civilians is clearly terrorism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.175.17.21 (talk) 16:25, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Why is Mossad not called a terrorist organization, they clearly fit all criteria, kidnapping and killing civilians is clearly terrorism?
In fact, let's go out on a limb: why are any groups, armies, politicians, etc. etc. who support killing of other groups not called terrorist organisations?
The uncivilised practices of egoists who feed their fragile egos in their lust for power never cease to amaze.
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There were a lot of Wikiprojects - I removed some that were only relevant to Munich like Germany and Olympics. The main attack makes sense for those Wikiprojects, but this article doesn't seem like a good fit.Seraphim System (talk) 18:47, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
This section is badly written. It now links to an actual article about the attacks but then covers topics in the aftermath. This should be rewritten 119.18.0.229 (talk) 13:21, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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