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The 25 January animation doesn't look as pretty on my screen as it could. I've tried 3 different web browsers, and the results are the same: extra noise is introduced in the animation when it is shown at a resolution lower than the native one, like it currently is. Is this a known bug/issue? --Njardarlogar (talk) 22:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
A webm or apng would be nice. Starks (talk) 01:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Since so many had the issue and no fixes have been provided (yet, anyway), I switched to a single frame. The raw frames are having a bigger and bigger Ceres though; so soon we should be done with animations for the infobox. --Njardarlogar (talk) 10:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
This is def some foreign object because its not there then its there, and the fact is njardarlogar, there is ice all over the planet without a hint of shimmer. Ice that clear can not be simply created. This is a ufo. From my ifo vantage pt right now is a picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.27.70 (talk) 21:53, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
This page says that Ceres is in a near 1:1 orbital resonance with 2 Pallas, though that is likely just a coincidence. However, on Pallas' page, there is a confirmation about the 1:1 resonance, but there is also mention of a couple near resonances with Jupiter (5:2 and 18:7). Doesn't it seem likely then, that Jupiter is responsible for the resonances of both objects? Has there been any research on this? 2620:72:0:52F:15:12A9:209:AF12 (talk) 15:02, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
There seems to be some contradicting information on the Ceres page. The first paragraph states: "it was the first asteroid to be discovered, on 1 January 1801 by Giuseppe Piazzi in Palermo, though at first it was considered a planet. "
Then under the DISCOVERY heading, later in the article, we read: "...in 1800, a group headed by Franz Xaver von Zach...Although they did not discover Ceres, they later found several large asteroids.[30]"
My point is that if the team found several large asteroids in 1800, without finding the planet Ceres, then Ceres can not be the first asteroid discovered, as stated in the first paragraph.
If the statement in the first paragraph simply implies that it was the first asteroid discovered by G.Piazzi, then that should be moved to the wiki article for G.Piazzi, as his accomplishment is irrelevant to the Ceres article. It is more important in the Ceres article that its position of discovery with other asteroids is clear and accurate.
At least, the contradiction or perceived contradiction should be clarified so that it clearly implies other asteroids were discovered before Ceres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.136.152 (talk) 22:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
The web is saturated with the claim that the bright spot seen by Dawn was seen previously by Hubble. But Dr. Phil Plait, who worked many years on Hubble, reports that "Joel Parker, who was part of the team that observed Ceres using Hubble, has told me that the bright spot seen in the Hubble image is not the same as the bright spots in the Dawn images, and in fact the new bright spots weren't seen by Hubble."[1] I assume this is correct for two reasons: (1) Plait has a long history of being quite accurate and correcting his errors quickly, that is what he is doing here, as he earlier said that Hubble had seen these spots; and (2) Parker was on the team and he should know. I can think of no better place to try to stop this mistake than here. If you think Parker is wrong, then please find a reference at least as good. It should speak to Parker's assertion and be later than May 11th else you will just be parroting the error. Nick Beeson (talk) 14:08, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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That doesn't quite make sense. Region 5 was visible to Dawn at lower resolution than Hubble (see and ), so why would not Hubble have seen it? A more detailed explanation would be nice. --Njardarlogar (talk) 09:44, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Hegelians say that Hegel predicted/discovered/dreamt-up Ceres. It is probably some numerological nonsense. Can anyone investigate?137.205.183.86 (talk) 10:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't think the comment about Ceres being the 33rd largest object in the solar system belongs in the article. Keeping an ordinal accurate is an exercise in frustration. That number is going to change continuously as more discoveries are made and more precise measurements become available. If we have to specify something, we should say it is the largest non-planetary non-moon object inside the Kuiper Belt, and mention that there are at least a dozen moons larger than Ceres. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 21:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
While the overall rank, may seem trivial, I feel that it can provide a little perspective in the overall scale amongst all the objects in the system. Maybe it would be better mentioned later in the article rather than in the opening section? Nyth63 19:42, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
OH, YOU PUNY INSIGNIFICANT HUMANS! THE UNIVERSE CARES NOT ABOUT YOUR NAMES AND GRAMMAR. IT WAS FOR OUR OWN AMUSEMENT WE PLACED THESE GLORIOUS, MAGNIFICENT OBJECTS RANDOMLY THROUGHOUT THIS SYSTEM. THAY ARE ALL BEAUTIFUL AND YOUR FEEBLE ATTEMPTS AT DIVIDING THEM INTO THESE "CATEGORIES" DOES NOT DIMINISH THEM IN ANY WAY! Nyth63 16:54, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
This whole topic has devolved into a argument about grammar and not talking about the main topic. From college chemistry classes I though that trans meant across and cis meant on the same side but that was more than 30 years ago and besides, I don't think that the average reader will understand what those prefixes mean anyway. Nyth63 17:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I think we've beaten this horse to death. You can try arbitration or formal third opinion, but it's clear we don't have consensus. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 19:32, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Done - restored relevant entry to the main article as follows =>
It ranks 33rd in size among the known objects in the Solar System.[1][2][3]
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Stankiewicz, Rick (20 February 2015). "A visit to the asteroid belt". Peterborough Examiner. Retrieved 29 May 2015. Troubadour (18 August 2012). "Getting to Know Your Solar System (18): Ceres". Daily Kos. Retrieved 29 May 2015. Clavin, Dan (18 February 2015). "Have You Ever Heard About The Dwarf Planet Ceres?". Press Room VIP. Retrieved 29 May 2015.{{cite web}}
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seems ok - if otherwise, please discuss on "Talk:Ceres (dwarf planet)#33rd largest" - per WP:BRD & related - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 20:21, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Looking closely at the February 25th image, one can see a small third spot at about 10:00 to the smaller one. Is this an artifact or a faint one previously unseen? If you look closely, although it cannot be resolved, you can also see it in the global map in the gallery, elongating the smaller spot somewhat. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 17:43, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Stuff like this is original research and does not belong in the article. The resolution of the images taken thus far is still very low and only the largest features are big enough to be able to give clear hints about their true nature (and hints may still of course be deceptive). The pair of brightest spots are not among these. --Njardarlogar (talk) 12:46, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
FWIW - "Three" bright spots? => possibly? - please see the latest image below => File:PIA19064-Ceres-DwarfPlanet-Region5-BrightSpots-20150414.jpg (also, added to the "Ceres (dwarf planet)" and "Dawn (spacecraft)" articles) - please note that this "bright spots" image was cropped/rotated/upsized from the "Original Image" taken by Dawn from 22,000 km (14,000 mi) on 14 April 2015 - hope this helps in some way - in any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 17:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Ceres - bright spots - region "5" |
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Region "5" bright spots imaged by Dawn from 22,000 km (14,000 mi) on 14 April 2015 |
LATEST Close-up images of the Ceres "Bright Spots" (more than three?) is as follows:
Bright spots imaged by Dawn from 13,600 km (8,500 mi) on 4 May 2015 |
Bright spots imaged by Dawn from 7,500 km (4,700 mi) on 16 May 2015 |
In any case - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 16:36, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
p.s. I cropped out an animation of the crater with the white spots. Tom Ruen (talk) 03:28, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
That gif proves it`s definitely not the angle, as it`s still glowing till the crater rim obscures it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.192.14.161 (talk) 00:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
I played with SVG to get the following. It doesn't scale down well, so it would need some work: it should be a small diagram, but it loses the text as it stands. Click through to the original file to see the concept. Anybody think it's worth pursuing? Tbayboy (talk) 03:38, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
FWIW - the "top 50" histogram (above right) seems good - (although possibly less reader-friendly, maybe a "log scale" might help in some way?) - nonetheless, seems the "first ten" diagram (right), already in the main article, does a very good job in presenting a "picture" of relative object sizes - at least to me atm - iac - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 15:28, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
This chart still looks like a variation of the one directly under the infobox in List of Solar System objects by size but rotated 90 degrees and using bars instead of dots. You can see the large view here. That one already uses as log scale on the mass axis. And yes, it does not match the table(s) in the body of the article below Mars (#8) which is default sorted by radius. Nyth63 01:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I've tried to draw a chart on a scale that would show more of the size differences in the smaller objects. I was originally going to continue to exactly 50, but there were quite a number estimated about 600 km in diameter, so I marked the last one as "several tied". I know that the yellow color is a bit pale against a white background, but it looked so good with the other colors that I left it as drawn. I can easily make changes based on feedback.
In order to maximize the differentiation at the smaller end of the range, I divided the full height of the chart into five sections, with the same scale in the bottom two sections, which represent 0 to 2,000 kilometers in diameter. The first version I made used the top section for the sun, which is ten times the diameter of Jupiter, but that made it harder to see the smaller objects, so it seemed like a better choice to leave the sun off and start with the next scale below that. Even so, only two objects read the highest scale, and five more the one below that. The yellow color was originally meant for the sun, and I was going to use grey for small bodies that aren't moons or dwarf planets. But once yellow was free, I decided it would be better to use colors for the smaller planetoids, and I didn't want to use orange or purple.
Anyway, what does everyone think? Does this present the information the way I meant it to? Would it be better if I started the scale with the inner planets at the top, and just made broken bars for the gas giants? How important is the lightness of the yellow color? P Aculeius (talk) 02:28, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Here's another take. This is similar to the previous, restricted to the solid bodies. I had a cool one that used Javascript to flash up another body's name-size-rank as you hovered over it, only to find Wiki doesn't allow scripting. *sigh* Anyway, suggestions are welcome. Tbayboy (talk) 18:15, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
The list of seemingly-nonsense words on the Map of Quadrangles (Asari, Chahal, Dagua, Ebisu, etc.) seems to have been generated by the "Writing Machine," as seen at this URL: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wg47QVSgILAJ:www.tumblr.com/tagged/chahal-chahal&hl=en&gl=us&strip=0&vwsrc=1 174.24.39.82 (talk) 09:16, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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(help)There is a debate over where the article for the pyramid-shaped mountain on Ceres should be located - input is desired. --Njardarlogar (talk) 10:02, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Untold millenia of dust build up on the sides accounts for the rounded look. It`s partially buried... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.192.14.161 (talk) 17:51, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 (talk) 08:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Ceres (dwarf planet) → 1 Ceres – see articles 2 Pallas, 3 Juno, 4 Vesta, 5 Astraea, etc. The common nomenclature uses the index number for this type of object. Right now, it looks like Ceres is in a different category of celestial objects. Anonimski (talk) 17:43, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Articles on dwarf planets do not include their minor-planet number in their title. They may (Ceres, Eris (dwarf planet)) or may not (Pluto, Haumea, Makemake) include a dab tag. --JorisvS (talk) 18:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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Dawn has determined that Ceres is a bit smaller than thought, and its density 4% greater. Also that the axis points in a different direction, so we have the seasons wrong. Yet the info box still uses pre-Dawn data. Anyone have access to the new figures? — kwami (talk) 23:07, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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