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To be added. I'm off to be now. Mintguy
John Anderson 1943-1945 National Government Hugh Dalton 1945-1947 Labour Stafford Cripps 1947-1950 Labour Hugh Gaitskell 1950-1951 Labour Richard Austen Butler 1951-1955 Conservative (Maurice) Harold Macmillan 1955-1957 Conservative Peter Thorneycroft 1957-1958 Conservative Derick Heathcoat Amory 1958-1960 Conservative Selwyn Lloyd 1960-1962 Conservative Reginald Maudling 1962-1964 Conservative (Leonard) James Callaghan 1964-1967 Labour Roy Harris Jenkins 1967-1970 Labour Iain Macleod 1970 Conservative Anthony Barber 1970-1974 Conservative Denis Healey 1974-1979 Labour (Richard Edward) Geoffrey Howe 1979-1983 Conservative Nigel Lawson 1983-1989 Conservative John Roy Major 1989-1990 Conservative Norman Lamont 1990-1993 Conservative Kenneth Harry Clarke 1993-1997 Conservative Gordon Brown 1997- Labour
As this is the #1 hit on Google it deserves a better article. Goodnight Mintguy 22:43 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)
Hm. Some of the stuff in here should perhaps be moved to Exchequer. --mav 21:14 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I've done a rewrite to correct info (the Budget no longer takes place in March. Until a couple of years ago both Britain and Ireland used the Julian Calendar to run the tax year. That was only recently changed meaning that both counties moved their Budget dates from January (IRL) and April (UK) to November. Also some other info, including explaining what the C of the E is the equivalent of in other states. FearÉIREANN 22:31 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The tax year end still ends on April 5. It used to be 25 of March till the changeover of calendars, when people complained about having to pay a full years tax for a year less 11 days. Mintguy 01:33 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Third oldest office? Certainly Lord Chancellor and Lord Privy Seal are older, but I'd think others are as well...anyone know where that bit came from? john 05:59, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I recall there's a robe that the Chancellor wore on formal occasions, though by Snowden/Churchill's time this was just once a year to oversee the appointment of some magistrates. Anyone know when this was abolished altogether, along with the function.
Also am I right that this is the robe (as worn by Lord North)?
Timrollpickering 18:00, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Removed 'PC' from Rt Hon Gordon Brown PC MP. PC is not normally used for a Member of the House of Commons. Privy Council status is indicated by Rt Hon. PC is often used for members of the House of Lords.
I've made some "bold"-ish changes to this. Apologies if I've overdone it (but I don't think I have). I have not removed anything but I have reorganised the text for style. I've added in a few bits, nothing major, but I have not checked any facts.
The basic point of these changes is to make the text flow more logically - ie summary, then important facts plus disambiguation, followed by detailed section on responsibilities, then trivia. Previous version was a bit all over the place.
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Thoughts, anyone? Gabriel Rozenberg 18:47, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
When I was studying British government in the 1970s, the salary of the Chancellor of the Exchequer actually exceeded that of the Prime Minister. Is this still true? Where might I find a list of salaries of British government officials? Unschool 17:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Sir Kingsley died on 21 Sep, 1943. He could not be possible stepping down on 24 September. Can anyone help verifying the exact tenure of his chancellorship?--218.103.231.56 17:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Given the confusion caused by the various Lord Chief Justices who have temporarily served as Chancellor of the Exchequer (I see that Lord Denman, a Whig if ever there was one, was until recently listed as a Tory because he happened to be temporarily holding the office during Wellington's caretaker ministry), I wanted to add a footnote to indicate which of the Chancellors were the lord chief justice holding the exchequer in a temporary capacity. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no idea how to do it. The text in the footnotes, so far as I can tell, appears nowhere in the actual page, but is merely indicated by notices like "pmafter" and "alsopm". So I have no idea what on earth is going on. Can anyone help? john k 00:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
We apparently only have a tiny, completely inadequate picture of Darling, but shouldn't we have one (preferably a better one) of him in this article, given that he's the current chancellor. john k 00:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Comments on the improved list of Chancellors:
- The new pictures are great but they are teenyweeny and perhaps some of them, eg Roy Jenkins's, could be cropped to headshots so that they work better.
- Now that Darling's pic has shrunk down perhaps the time has come to put him up at the top of the page somewhere as well, eg in place of the Treasury photo, in line with Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
- Someone has well-meaniningly added numbers to a list of Chancellors. But the idea of numbering UK politicians is a bit more contentious than it might seem. See here. The US idea that you can be, to use the main example, both 22nd and 24th President hasn't really spread to any list of UK ministers that I've seen and I think that numbering this list in the same way is peculiar: Gladstone has become Chancellor number 19, 22, 26 and 28! If there are numbers I think it should just be one per person. ¶ 20:53, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
By the way, the number of chancellors we don't have pictures for is sad - surely there must be some available photographs of Lamont, Lawson, Healey, Macleod, Lloyd, Amory, Thorneycroft, Butler, Dalton, Wood, Horne, Hicks Beach, Goschen, Childers, and Lewis? Any pictures of the last four, at least, would presumably be in the public domain at this point. john k 06:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
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Is there any point in the numbering in the table of UK Chancellors? I fear that this may suggest that there is some official or widely-accepted numbering scheme (whereas I assume it is just something that a particular editor has decided would be worth doing). Bluewave (talk) 07:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
The table at the bottom sometimes uses Tory and sometimes Conservative - aren't they the same thing, so should be standardised? George D. Watson (Dendodge).TalkHelp 21:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Anybody know where the name comes from? Hrcolyer (talk) 13:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
The article states that No. 11 Downing Street is the official residence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but is it not instead the official residence of the Second Lord of the Treasury? --Mdebets (talk) 21:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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Categories Chancellors of the Exchequer of England, Great Britain and the United Kingdom are all three categories within Category:Chancellors of the Exchequer. — Robert Greer (talk) 16:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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Lists of Chancellors has been reformatted to be a similar (but not identical) style to List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom- a featured list. Column of which Prime Minister the Chancellor served under has been changed to the Government served in, as the title of Prime Minister is somewhat anachronistic in places. A new column has been added with the monarch served under, as this is very relevant with earlier Chancellors. Another column has been added for references, as some information is slighly dubious and needs proper supporting referencing - for example Spencer Perceval was previously listed as holding office after his death.
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The 1221-1558 Chancellors list is still an awkward part of the page, the infobox states that the Chancellor of the Exchequer was formed in 1316 but the list contradicts by having Chancellors dating back 100 years prior. Some clarificatoin might be needed in respect of this.
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I noticed that recently some of the Terms of office have been split to coincide with electoral mandates/ministries. Whilst this change was surely well intended I don't think it's necessary a helpful addition for several reasons.
If no one expresses any objections, I will remove these in the next couple days. ToastButterToast (talk) 17:22, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Given that 11 Chancellors of the Exchequer since the late-19th century have gone on to be Prime Minister, would it not be prudent to put that the Chancellorship is often seen as a stepping stone to Prime Ministerial office? 98.10.165.90 (talk) 20:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
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The claim that the Exchequer was an Anglo-Saxon development was detailed further at the main Exchequer article, stating that according to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, the Exchequer collected tribute for the Danes in the late 10th century. Both article cited Loyn (1984) for the claim. I don't have Loyn's text, but I do have translations of the Chronicle, and the relevant passages do not mention the Exchequer. The Dialogue of the Exchequer mentions the belief that it predated the conquest, but only for the purpose of disputing it. There seems to be confusion here between the Exchequer, which is not documented earlier than Henry I, and royal finance, which of course did precede the conquest. In particular, Loyn might have assumed out of habit that since payments were collected, the exchequer must have collected them. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 08:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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what jobs has she done previously is she really as good at maths as she makes out to be.Racheal Reeves. Was she just a filing clerk at the Bank of England. Can anyone help me find out.Thanks Janice Moule 2A02:C7C:3E35:2000:615A:B0F2:4DD2:6CB2 (talk) 15:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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