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Discworld is similar to Middle Earth as it is a creation by a single author. But unlike Discworld is linked off Terry Pratchett, Middle Earth is not linked off JRR Tolkien. This will be a moot point anyway once subpages no longer exist. -- Ap
Anyone planning to write pages for individual books? I'd do it except, uh, I don't want to. :). AW
Why are the short stories "Turntables of the Night" and "Hollywood Chickens" not mentioned? They appeared in the anthologies "The Flying Sorcerers – More Comic Tales of Fantasy" and "Knights of Madness" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.47.183.195 (talk • contribs) .
no point in making the title longer: does anything else need to be at "Discworld"?. And don't do "cut&paste" moves, please (see the FAQ for more) -- Tarquin 22:02 Dec 21, 2002 (UTC)
Is Thief of Time a Death novel? Yes, susan and death appear, but as side characters - the book is mainly about the history monks. Daveryan 06:06 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Perhaps rather than "death" books, we should be talking about "personification of great natural forces" books. I'm thinking of Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortallity books. TP has done death and time. War and Fate -- well, one is a god, and one was peripherally mentioned in Thief of Time. And Gia, possibly, is the great turtle herself. Thus the book about Om kind of belongs here.
On a related note, could Moving Pictures be classed as a Wizards book? It does introduce the personalities of most of the figures who are prominent through the rest of that group. -FZ 00:12, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Would it be reasonable to argue that certain books such as 'Small Gods' and 'Pyramids' could be classified as the God books? They have, after all, at one point been published in a trilogy under that name, I believe. See: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0575070366/ref=si_1_1/026-7441268-9440401 for more details. - Featherfin 30 Aug 2005
The article lists Carpe Jugulum as a Vimes/Uberwald book, but in fact it takes place in Lancre and features the witches.
Would an addition including Vetinari among the main characters in the Watch books be appropriate? I know he isn't a member, but he seems to play a bigger role in that arc than any other.Varlet16 06:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I hotly dispute the claim that A Hat Full of Sky is a childrens' book. To be fair, though, I just finished it and haven't come down from whatever's the literature equivalent of being high yet. -- Kizor 22:45, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
There's a query at Talk:Great A'Tuin in re H-R diagrams. Can anyone help with this?
Does anyone know if there are plans to release The Last Hero in a mass-market paperback format (i.e. normal sized paperback)? --Phil | Talk 10:52, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)
I've added a couple of possible future novels talked about in 'The Art of Discworld' to the list of novels - maybe it might be better to put these into a [new] future novels section. --NeilTarrant 20:50, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I take issue with the listing of "first novel in the series". At least some mention of Strata, published in 1981 should be mentioned. It is missing from the complete article. Strata provides a background that is the foundation of much of the remaining Discworld series. ChadC 21:47, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Strata is a hard science fiction novel about Discworld. It features a disc shaped world sitting on elephants sitting on a turtle. Talking animals, flying dragons, etc are all featured, but not as comedic elements in a fantasy novel, but as participants in a interstellar joke among planet building entities. The machinery that makes Discworld work is exposed and explored as a straight-faced adventure novel. The odd part is that Strata predates the other novels, and I'm not sure if Pratchett intended it to become Discworld or not. -ChadC 15:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Strata is not Discworld; it's Terry first exploring the ideas that later became Discworld. It belongs on the TP page and not here. --dllu 16:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I think that it might be best to change to focus of this article to the Discworld itself, taking out all the novels (and related work) information to something like Discworld publications and works (been trying to think of a decent title for ages!). There is plenty to say about the Discworld itself and I think it should be written separate from the novel/play/etc. information. violet/riga (t) 11:19, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Right, this has all been done:
I think that any reference to the former should be italicised and any reference to the world shouldn't be; that will allow some form of disambig between the two. That may involve quite a bit of work and I by no means think all the Discworld articles are brought together properly quite yet - WikiProject anyone? violet/riga (t) 19:42, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
There is now a WikiProject for the Discworld articles – please lend your support at Wikipedia:WikiProject Discworld. violet/riga (t) 00:12, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I recently added the section on Stealth Philosophy. This is my first wikipedia entry, so I'm not certain as to how good it was... still, I felt it should be added. =)
Hello. I love the series and happen to own quite a few the books, and one thing I have noticed--as I tend to read the sort of "inner blurb" or whatever you call the piece of writing next to a rather dark picture of Terry right at the beginning of the books--is that they usually say something to the effect of "Moving Pictures is the tenth novel in the phenomenally successful Discworld series". This is alright up until Nightwatch which the book says is 27th, Monstrous Regiment 28, Going Postal 29th, but the articles on wikipedia seem to differ because, as I figured out, they include the 3 Young Adult novels and the 1 Illustrated novel in the numbering scheme. Would it be possible to rather have a scheme for Discworld novels like this:
Novels: 1-29... Illustrated novels: 1.. Young adult novels: 1-3... ?
It is also what http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/authors/Terry_Pratchett.htm (and the books themselves) seem to use. --Ajshm 14:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
About Eric, it has indeed been released first with illustrations as a "Discworld story" (?) and later without illustrations in the vain of previous books. The Last Hero has never been released without illustrations, in fact, the paperback has more illustrations than the hardcover. It's not as if I want to somehow snub TLH, it is a great and very special book. But somehow I think that something that is written in the books takes precedence "x is the nth novel in the...", or at least it would seem strange to ignore this.
I have changed the template a little bit, which incidentally makes it more compact. All Discworld novels (Discworld themed novels by Pratchett) are under the Novels: heading, not separating YA Novels, they are a "sub-list" along with the illustrated novel TLH. --Ajshm 16:05, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
The discussion of Rincewind stories includes what I suppose is a major plot point in Sourcery. Shouldn't there be a spoiler warning? Or, better, remove this detail as not particularly relevant to the discussion? Phiwum 11:31, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
I think that several motifs must be specified for each novel. For example to "Soul Music" motifs one can add Family Entertainment Copyright Act, FUD and some more.
I added in the bit about the Hermes/Moist parralel. In many stories about Hermes he started out as a thief and a scoundrel that Zeus finally clamped down on. To keep Hermes out of trouble, he was made to be the god of messengers. Shocked that it wasn't in here already - the hat with wings, sandals with wings on and fig leaf with wings on was a dead giveaway. 12.13.158.117 17:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC) Lesley
"Joan d'Arc" (in the description of _Monstrous Regiment_) should be either Joan of Arc or Jeanne d'Arc. Is she actually mentioned in the book? If so, I would think it best to go with whichever Pratchett uses. If not, I vote for Joan of Arc since the article's in English.
Much to my delight I find a new Discworld book on the list, but it was added by an anon user. Can anyone find the source of the info? Thegreatloofa 13:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I've reverted the image addition, as I suspect the map, which was commercially released, is still under copyright. The website the user took the image from is a fan page, which I suspect illegally scanned the image. Whether it is fair use, given that the map is the product, is doubtful. Does anyone have any info about whether the image is free for "promotional" use, though? Stephenb (Talk) 09:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Would it be worth emailing Terry Prachett & asking if he would approve its use? He has frequently stated he has no objections to the use of his books as plays if people ask permission. This is diffent but the use of a low res image would seem somthing he might consider Nate1481 17:53 27 July 2006
I believe that Scotsman.com has citation for Terry Pratchet as the most shoplifted author in Britain. (look in the first paragraph) If nobody objects, I will go ahead and add it into the article.
In the list of discworld books, we have listed "The Discworld Portfolio" as being a collection of Paul Kidby's art. This is not the case - when you click on the link, it brings you to the correct page, because that particular book is entitled "The Pratchett Portfolio," whereas "The Discworld Portfolio" is a completely separate book along the same lines. The correct title for that book is "The Josh Kirby Discworld Portfolio," and it contains the late Josh Kirby's art. They should be listed separately.
Unless, of course, I have gone completely nuts, and I am mixing things up.
I seem to recall as a kid learning about a myth about the Earth being held on the back of elephants, which in turn are on the back of a turtle. When I first was introduced to Discworld, I thought Prattchet had used that ancient myth as the basis of his novels. However, the only myth I could find that was similar was an Iroquois myth that had the earth on the back of a turtle. I have yet to find a myth that has both the turtle and elephants. I thought that perhaps I was just confusing Discworld with this myth, but the Discworld (world) article indicates that it was in "reference to popular mythology." Can anyone help me out here? What was the myth? If it exists, it should be mentioned in the article.
-- Fogelmatrix 16:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I think Corgi are releasing the new black and grey paperbacks alongside the "traditional" ones rather than replacing them. ICBW, but I haven't noticed any bookshop run out of stock on the Kirbys, and the new ones have been around for a while. I'll check the publication details next time I have the chance. Daibhid C 19:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I think this should be a resource to help new people discover the prefered reading order. However that reading order is open for debate becuase its a farily open universe to start into. The image graphic that is included as a foot note is good, but my reading group would not agree with everything that is on it. We are often trying to identify which would be good start points for the series to new users. And there is more than 1 good start point. Specifically, Wee Free Men could be a good start point. But the graphic stipulates that it is in the middle of the witch arc. And the image content is not wiki-able. I propose to make a wiki-ediable table of some type to describe to new readers the many and varied reading order. Editable by all in the spirit of Wiki. Tbmorgan74 22:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I'd just like to say that, as a new reader to the series within the past month, that table has been of great use to me following storylines of personal interest and I think it's a huge mistake to remove it. User:annon 02:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I object to relying on third party websites to document content which at least 2 people find important, May be hundreds would. That third party graphic is not editable by the consensus. Is Chrissmith the author of that graphic? How do we change the graphic if it is wrong?
For these reasons I have created the discworld_reading_order article. I put it out there for the community to improve. I just ask that it not be deleted too quickly before it has a chance to mature.Tbmorgan74 21:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld#References
In this section line 4 there is this link: ^ The Discworld Reading Order Guide 1.25 - 30kB GIF showing the interrelationships between the books and series within Discworld, with suggested starts
This is old and dated version. I added a link to the newer version (1.5) and this link was moved to the extrnel links sectiuon. However keeping the link to version 1.25 in this section is misleading. (the 1.5 version has among other things the novel "thud" and the children book "where's my cow" in the proper place. I would have replace the reference myself only there is no access to this section.
71.146.25.149 21:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)Oren71.146.25.149 21:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
It appears that the page for each individaul novel includes its ISBN. Is it necessary/helpful to also have a column for ISBN in the table of Discworld Novels? Do people like to compare ISBNs of different novels? Is there perhaps some other use that this column could be put to? or eliminated for simplicity? Do booksellers need a column of ISBN on this page? -Gomm 03:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'll ask. What are the Historical novels (esp. Les Misérables) motifs in Night Watch? -Gomm 23:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know exactly where to put this, but good job in general on the Discworld series of articles. They are explanatory and capture a little bit of the humor while still keeping it encyclopedic. --Imp88 23:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
According to this bit of news from Paul Kidby's website, Nation isn't a Discworld story and there's a few other tie-ins in the pipe-line. I shall edit accordingly. HornetMike 12:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems strange to me that the Discworld article contains a table containing pictures, motifs, characters and publishing notes, when no other article that I can think of does. For example:
As you can see, there is a common thread. Displaying the books in the table format that we have is unique entirely to this article, and I think I know why. All the information on the table is essentially irrelevant to the Discworld article, except for the list of books.
The “Book” column is the only really useful piece of information in the entire table, and that can be displayed in a list format, like so many other articles do, and at the bottom of the page, instead of right in the middle, where 99% of users madly scroll past anyway. To this end I will move the table down to the bottom of the page after I post this message, but I think the best move to make is to completely remove the table entirely and replace it with a list, like every other article about a series of books seems to be doing. It should also reduce the page size significantly as their will no longer be any pictures to clutter it up. Gnarly Goat 13:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think this article has probably gone in the opposite direction to the one that I hoped it would. It seems to me, that instead of decreasing the importance the table has for this article, we have in fact increased it. The “Novels” section now seems totally dependant on the table, making its removal difficult.
The problem that I see is this, that for an article that is all about the Discworld novels, this article doesn’t actually tell the reader much of what the books are actually about, only that it’s on the Discworld, and that it has a newspaper. If people want to know what the books are about, then they can look in the flimsy table and see that Wyrd Sisters is related to Macbeth, which is only useful if you have read Macbeth, which many people haven’t. Even if you have read Macbeth, it still doesn’t tell you anything about the book, or the witch’s story arc. It doesn’t mention that it is the first book in where we meet the three witches together, or how Discworld witches are different from witches in other fantasies, or anything about Granny and her headology, or about Nanny and her army of relatives, or anything about the story at all in any way shape or form.
The only information we are told about the entire “Witches” sub-section is that Granny is a good witch and that she appears in Carpe Jugulum and is decisive, which appears in the “Stealth Philosophy” section. For an article all about the novels, this is a bit of a let down. Given that there are six “Witches” novels in the series, and that they are a significant portion of the series, surely we should dedicate a bit of this article to explaining who they are and what they do. If each story arc is given a detailed paragraph or two to explain their role in the Discworld series, then we should be able to finally remove the table, as it should render the “motifs” column totally obsolete (which I believe it is anyway).
I think I’ll post an example of what I mean later this week so that what I said here makes a little more sense. Anyway, that’s my rant for now, more will surely follow.Gnarly Goat 13:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Lately, Mr. Pratchett's Discworld series has started to bear more and more similarities to the steam punk genres. Ankh-Morpork garners more and more Victorian attributes, especially in "Night Watch," and "Going Postal," and looks less and less like the Sword and Sourcery setting it was in earlier novels like 'The color of magic,' There is mention of industrial revolution factories in "Feet of Clay," and in the latest book, yet to be published "Making Money," Ankh-Morpork now has a banknote currency. Unless I'm confused about the genre, Steampunk is either fantasy or sci-fi that takes place in Neo-Victorian settings, and as of late, the Disc can certainly fit that discprition. Am I just confused, or can Mr. Pratchett's Discworld series be filed under the steampunk sub-genre? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.234.66.205 (talk) 23:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC).
Either link to all the seperate people in the table, eg. Rincewind in first entry, or none I think. Maurauth 11:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think the timeline section is (a) perfunctory and (b) unnecessary? 80.176.254.67 12:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I can't find any news releases on Google since the original Jan 2006 ones, and 18 months later this project is still not listed on the Raimi or Pratchett imdb.com pages. Has this project died? Was it ever anything more than just a press release? -Gomm 02:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
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