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Turkey is definitely in Western Europe because it is Muslim and NATO member.--Certh 09:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I think you mean Eastern Europe. For me, it's transcontinental.
217.159.144.141 (talk) 13:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
How is Turkey not listed in South-eastern Europe when Cyprus is? Actually, why isn't it listed in the first place? The beginning of the article has sources from the CIA and UN that lists Turkey as part of Southern Europe. In most organizations, it is considered part of Europe (including being eligible to be in the EU), and geographically, it has a part in Europe. Although small, it contains its largest city (Istanbul), which is also one of the largest cities in Europe.
67.80.124.125 (talk) 03:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
"As the ideological division of the Cold War has now disappeared, the cultural division of Europe between Western Christianity, on the one hand, and Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Islam, on the other, has reemerged." Because Huntington says so? WTF? "It follows the so-called Huntington line of "clashing civilizations" corresponding roughly to the eastern boundary of Western Christianity in the year 1500. This line runs along what are now the eastern boundaries separating Norway, Finland, Estonia and Latvia from Russia, continues east of Lithuania, cuts in northwestern Ukraine, swings westward separating Transylvania from the rest of Romania, and then along the line now separating Slovenia, Croatia and northern Serbia from the rest of ex-Yugoslavia. In the Balkans this line coincides with the historic border between the Hungarian Kingdom (later Habsburg) and Ottoman empires, whereas in the north it marks the then eastern boundaries of Kingdom of Sweden and Teutonic Order, and the subsequent spread of Lutheran Reformation. The peoples to the west and north of the Huntington line are Protestant or Catholic; they shared most of the common experiences of Western European history – feudalism, the Renaissance, the Reformation, the Enlightenment, the French Revolution, and the Industrial Revolution.
The 1995 and 2004 enlargements arguably brought the European Union's eastern border up to the boundary between Western and Eastern Orthodox civilizations." Again, what the heck is Eastern Orthodox civilization? "Most of Europe's historically Protestant and Roman Catholic countries (with the exception of Iceland, Norway, Switzerland, Croatia, and the various European microstates) were now EU members, while most of Europe's historically Eastern Orthodox countries (with the exception of Greece and Cyprus) were outside the EU." The middle ages have long passed, the inclusion criteria in the EU does not depend on what the population believes for fuck's sake. Aside from that the article is about Eastern Europe, not the EU.
"This was, however, temporary, as the 2007 accession of Bulgaria and Romania, both predominantly Eastern Orthodox and located in Southeastern Europe, have shifted the EU's borders further east to reach the west coast of the Black Sea." Wow. So what?
This article presents Huntingtons book with hisview/definition of "civilization along religious lines" as a source and reference. Reading his article he himself seems to have recanted/changed his views and conclusions. Besides all that Western Europe and Eastern Europe aren't and never were so easily defined. Poland and Slovenia are largely Catholic, while Greece is largely Greek Orthodox yet... they seem to be on the other camp (you know what I mean). Then we have Albania, and others with large muslim populations. These are only the major examples, there are more that show that Huntington was simply wrong. Does his (recanted) view upon the matter have to appear at all? The religious point should be mentioned (a la Western Europe) but his view and his didn't somehow redefine the whole concept of Eastern Europe, simple as that. In my opinion we should remove all references to his book asap. Flamarande (talk) 11:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
No Flamarande we don't know WHAT U MEAN by saying Poland, Slovenia and Greece in the other hand seem to be on the other camp.Can u be so polite to enlight us here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.152.209.38 (talk) 01:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Topographical maps of Western and Eastern Europe from U.S. Army Topographic Command from 1950s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.111.58 (talk) 20:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi All,
I read this article a few ago and have been thinking about the definition ever since. I don't think the definition is entirely wrong or bad but I do disagree with it in many ways. However, this isn't a precise science and hence I don't think it would be right for me to change or even erase what the original author wrote. I would like to expand on it and give a different, and I believe qualified, opinion. I've used wiki for years but never even thought of registering until I came across this article. But I love the tool and would like to contribute to its quality and development. So please get in touch with me and tell what I need/ can do.
Thanks
jida Jidapubic (talk) 01:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
The common British definition of the term is synonymous with "former Soviet bloc states". In the UK an "Eastern European" is anyone from a former Soviet bloc state. They are often a target of news media, especially right wing papers like the Daily Express, talking about Romanian gypsies and so on, portraying the Roma people the same as the Romanian people, which they are not.--Tablemount (talk) 23:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree with the preceding opinion.Arcillaroja (talk) 11:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
You cannot really argue with the Royal Institute of International Affairs, or Leon Marc (currently an ambassador to The Netherlands), who wrote the linked book on the subject. The subject is far from undue weight, and is going back. Gregorik (talk) 11:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
There is a difference between an opinion and a definition. What you mentioned above is clearly from the firs sort. Furthermore, not everyone that uses this term has necessarily a political view. I want also to remind you that if you as Hungarian national feel that the term is patronizing or racist or whatever, is just your feeling, and not representative of an entire population or set of nations. There are changes indeed in history and in the way geopolitical maps are conceived but we cannnot change how reality is. Saying things such as that there are no difference between western an eastern Europe which is what this paragraph seem to imply is simply laughable. As for the templates, if you feel that this can help, then they are welcome.--Arcillaroja (talk) 17:59, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I see your point. But I have to disagree... There are many think tanks and other (well funded I may add) "personalities" or institutions which aim is to support a certain view or set of ideas. That does not mean that these ideas become a definition (thank God for that!). It does not even mean that they are true. --Arcillaroja (talk) 09:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
I think that it is important to include all of the different definitions that some English speaker may use. This is a reference for those who want to understand, not a politcal-correctness contest. It should be noted that some of the terms may be disliked by those living in the aareas. I don't have a problem with this having an English centered view of the topic because it is an _English Word_. The objections should be noted in the article because they provide information. But, the varying definitions should all be included, no matter how offensive somebody finds them. We are trying to help people understand speakers, understand history, and understand how to use terms. There is too much emotion inserted into the information!Wax025 (talk) 12:59, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
What exactly is wrong with this information? Can you give any reasons that cite wiki policy? I suspect its just prejudice. Those statements are balanced, not overly controversial, and well sourced. What more do you want? ValenShephard (talk) 16:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I did not know I was a conservative :) Anyway that does not change this discussion does it? --Arcillaroja (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Real encyclopedias like English Britannica and German Brockaus encyclopedia don't consider Poland Hugary Czech R. and Slovakia as Eastern European countries. It must be removed, because it's unencyclopedic. Moreover European Scientific academies (and the British Royal Society) use the Central Europe term. European Union also use this term for the countries. Only united Nations use old cold war terms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.88.240 (talk) 15:41, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
It's funny to agree with yourself :)--Arcillaroja (talk) 20:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Why did you reverted what is standing above? It's not my fault that you ip was recognized by the system. BTW, do you know that is not allowed what you did? If you don't believe me we can ask for and admin intervention, but I don't want it to go that far because I think that you would be banned then. Just try to be neutral and friendly. --Arcillaroja (talk) 14:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
My nationality is Lemko Rusyns http://www.lemko-olk.com/map_lem_2008.html) as the last Ruthenians whom can understand old Rus language (http://izbornyk.org.ua/psrl3235/lytov02.htm), was former compatriot Andy Warhol who used to tell: „I am from nowhere“. I would like to promote our old history renesaince included our old Rus language and a new sensationally discover by paleonthologists into Caspic sea (http://roksalan.narod.ru/sitemap1.htm) and on my website (http://www.jancoo.eu/) I will write both English and Ruthenians, my mother tongue and promote Wiki projects and opensorce apllications. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.24.203.241 (talk) 07:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I changed "Eastern Europe is a region placed in the eastern part of Europe. The term is highly..." to "eastern Europe is a highly ... term. The old first sentence tells the reader nothing that isn't obvious. Huw Powell (talk) 18:24, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
I would think that a 'Linguistic Definition' would constitute a definition of Eastern Europe. It's no secret many people define Eastern Europe as Slavic Europe, however incorrect that may be. Would be good to add a section regarding it, brief description of divisions of Slavic languages and it's relationship to other definitions(ie, West Slavic and Central Europe), link to the Slavic Language article, add the oddly placed Language map(found next to history) next to it, and another sentence regarding other non-slavic languages spoken in Eastern Half of Europe. Just my two cents. (polskaGOLA) (talk) 18:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Russia reconquers Eastern Europe via business Russia's Kremlin-backed businesses are snapping up assets in former Eastern Europe, though governments are still wary. BusinessWeek November 17, 2011 Tony Wesolowsky
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