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Shouldn't this article be renamed the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland? Although it's clearly much smaller, the Orthodox Church of Finland is also an official state church, and has been in the country continuously since the 1200s, 300 years before the Protestant Reformation. See http://virtual.finland.fi/finfo/english/uskoeng.html and http://virtual.finland.fi/finfo/english/ortodeng.html. Wesley 20:29 Apr 21, 2003 (UTC)
I removed the term "Evangelical" as I find Lutheran being less prone to misunderstanding, given the popular US-usage of the "Evangelicalism".
-- Ruhrjung 12:44 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)
If you are concerned about this, I think it would make more sense to explain what "Evangelical" means in the Lutheran context, both in Finland and the U.S.208.68.128.53 (talk) 23:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
So, do only men sin, or do women too? Emerymat 03:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
A recent edit ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_of_Finland&diff=61491025&oldid=61345356 ) removed the (unattributed) percentage loss of members. The web site, http://www.eroakirkosta.fi/tiedotus/resign.html works out the percentage loss for 2005 at 0.6% (which is what the original version had). I'll think about the wording and add back in the loss figures, though thats kind of like an edit revert thus why I'm talking about it. Ttiotsw 01:03, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
I also question the recently added statistic that the church has only 3.9 million members. According to the Lutheran World Federation's 2015 statistics and the World Council of Churches, the church still has well over 4 million members. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeminarianJohn (talk • contribs) 02:12, 18 April 2016 (UTC) Also, someone keeps changing the statistic of members to be 3.9 million when that is the number of members "permanently resident in Finland". The total number of members reported in the source cited is 4,183,245 people. http://sakasti.evl.fi/sakasti.nsf/0/FFEDB75916EB394AC22576CC003D875E/$FILE/seurakuntien_vaestonmuutokset_2015_koko%20maan%20v%E4kiluku%20ennakko.pdf SeminarianJohn (talk) 02:26, 18 April 2016 (UTC)SeminarianJohn
"The Swedish reformation was started by the state, which wished to confiscate the church property." From the article.
This is a highly oversimplifying statement on the historical causes of the Swedish Reformation. There was instability in the Church before Gustav Vasa decided to change the national religion. An instance of this is the bull decreed from Rome to bishops in Sweden in 1518, which included a plan on how to deal with the "heretics". Particularly in Swedish cities, Reformation Theology was very popular, whereas the rural areas were more inclined to follow the pope. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.194.34.225 (talk) 17:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
The introduction of the article says: "Most Finns pray at least once a month." Um... Pray for which god? I'm from Finland and I find this statement very hard to digest. While it is common to be a member of the church, most members don't believe in it's main teachings or practise religious activities in their everyday life. If this indeed is a fact based on some questionnare, the source should definitely be mentioned. Malitsu (talk) 12:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Just so that everybody understands what I'm talking about: This article says that according to a gallup 69 % of Finns feel religion is unimportant to them. I think it's an important notion to make since it shows the nature of the church. It doesn't work in the same way as for example American churces do. Lutheranism is a state religion, not necessarely the personal faith of the members. 88.115.199.208 (talk) 09:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
You state "Sweden did not have any civil wars or important uprisings due to reformation." That's not true. Please check Nils Dacke and Early_Vasa_era#Peasant_risings. --RandomNumberSee (talk) 00:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Category:Church of Finland is itself a category within Category:State churches (Christian). — Robert Greer (talk) 19:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
The article should really consider looking into whether there has ever been any doctrinal dissent from conservatives within the Church of Finland, who might feel alienated about decisions surrounding the ordination of women or the blessing of same-sex marriages. It is possible to imagine that if this dissent were not healed, many of these conservatives would consider forming their own ecclesial community, which might be tempted to reunite with the Catholic Church, such as recently seen with the Traditional Anglican Communion. ADM (talk) 15:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
A single user has changed the entries of the ELCA's German sister churches to their German names because he thinks the "concept" can't be translated. Most of the discussion takes place on the wikipedia article on the Evangelical Church in Germany, the roof organisation of the Evangelical (Lutheran) churches in Germany. Maybe you have a look? Because according to that user (and he really insists) the Church should not be called that way. Some of the member churches are outspoken Lutheran like the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Bavaria, some are "united" like the Evangelical Church in the Rhineland, 2 are Reformed like the Evangelical Reformed Church. Usually one member church covers a unique area (pretty much like a diocese). Maybe you want to take part in the discussion? --Mk4711 (talk) 12:01, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
I ask to someone please show a RS about the church stance on abortion. The link given is now empty and I couldn't find it in their official website: . Considering that Martin Luther was strongly anti-abortion and the sanctity of human life that many Lutherans still upheld, I think that the official stance of the church might be more nuanced then a left-wing secular party. The church certainly has many pro-life supporters. The Church of Norway official stance on abortion is still pro-life, with exceptions.81.193.26.32 (talk) 00:20, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
In the table it was claimed that for example 20.1% of Finnish people are "not religious". However, this 20.1% means people who are not members of a registered religious community. This is not the same thing as being non-religious. As far as I know, the majority of muslims in Finland, for example, are not officially members of any registered religious community, though they might certainly be religious. This is also true for some christian groups. I changed this to "No religious affiliation", which is the wording in the article Finland#Religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.67.159.28 (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
FYI I started an article on Virsikirja - the hymnal. Linking it to this article is not so simple because music or liturgy are not mentioned here... Periegetes (talk) 09:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
This article states that the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland (ELCF) takes a "moderate" view on homosexuality/GLBT issues. It states that the ELCF teaches homosexuals should "refrain" from practicing sex. However, the article later states that the blessing of same-sex marriages is allowed. Unless the ELCF is being willfully ignorant and assumes such marriages are asexual, I would assume that the policy that states that homosexual persons should refrain from having sex is not correct. Is there updated information? IACOBVS (talk) 01:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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There are a lot of links to Finnish websites as references. A person who only understands English (most English Wikipedia readers) may find it difficult to verify the information. Perhaps more English references? Also, found a few broken links which need to be fixed. Ian Waithaka (talk) 06:55, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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