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Just started this but I need a little more time.--Rockero 04:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Am I missing something? I have read the "incident" section several times in two days and for the life of me I can not see why the sheriff needed to open fire. Could not figure it out in the movie either. Is it me, or is that section very unclear? Jm546 (talk) 02:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
In this section, I'm confused. It says "in which Cortez was supposedly asked if he had recently acquired a caballo, or a stallion, and Cortez answered he had acquired a yegua, or a mare, a word which the deputy did not understand." However, both Romaldo and Gregorio were there. Whom did the deputy ask? We should clarify.(Kirin-rex (talk) 00:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC))
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Hello Wikipedia, I'm working on revamping this page for a Chicano Literature course at UBC.
Gregorio Cortez Information Box: Add more detail in general. Me and my group have found a supposed picture of Cortez, we will add it if it is legal.
Background Ideas: Give names to parents, family, and any other key characters. Reference Valeriano, Gregorio's son, from "With His Pistol in His Hand" as he gives detail insight to the background of Cortez. More information needed on Gregorio rather than Tómas.
Create another subheading: Background of Political and Social climate of the Border. With this section, we could discuss the landscape, both physically and societally, of life on the border. Could be very important to give readers insight of society that created Gregorio Cortez. Negative beliefs about both groups (Texas Rangers and Mexicans).
The Incident details: Need more description of the event. Take ideas from "With His Pistol in His Hand" and do further research. Also include newspaper reports at the time. ALSO DO NOT AMALGAMATE THE TWO INCIDENTS
Create Subheading: The Battle of Belmont. Include this important battle. Give information from newspapers, reporters, courts, and the officers themselves to give all point of views.
BREAK UP FLIGHT AND CAPTURE into 2 separate subheadings.
Cortez's Flight: Talk about tactics used by Cortez, the number of horses used by him, and the area that he covered.
The Capture Of Gregorio Cortez: Talk about El Teco, the man who told the police of his whereabouts. Talk about different opinions and point of views about the capture.
Add Subheading: Court Proceedings: Talk of money raised by people. Support of both Mexican and American citizens. Give examples of court reports, newspapers, and the problem of translation by the officers.
Prison and Pardon: Talk about Cortez's time in prison; how long he spent there, where they moved him, and his experience/behaviour in the prison system. Also, discuss his pardoning. Give information about the Governer and the beliefs surrounding him.
Post-prison life and Death: Give more information about his efforts in the Mexican Revolution. Also, clarify the cause of death. Talk about how long it supposedly killed him, and do not say that he definitely DID die from poisoning.
Add Subheading: Legacy and Inspiration amongst the Border Mexican community: Talk of how his life inspired Mexicans and what important parts of his life transformed into El Corrido de Gregorio Cortez.
The Legend: Use "With His Pistol in His Hand" and information from the many verses of the border ballad to give insight into how the legend was created and transformed over time. Talk about him representing the average Mexican man, speak of the importance of the sorrel mare, and address the significance of him defending his right with his pistol in his hand.
In Song, Literature, and Film: Describe the songs, literature, and films in more detail. Talk about what they got right and what they got wrong. Talk about the important points each piece of art highlights and discuss how and why these works changed even in the slightest.
Add more references as we go. Pechodor13 and maymolina contributed to this revision plan.
OVERALL CLEAN UP THE PAGE, CLARIFY ERRORS, AND ADD MORE DETAIL TO THE STORY AND LEGEND OF GREGORIO CORTEZ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chr66 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Hey, this is our conversation area for any questions or concerns regarding the article. Looking forward to fixing this article up!
History of the region
Valerio-Jiménez, O. S., & e-Duke Books Scholarly Collection 2012. (2013;2012;). River of hope: Forging identity and nation in the rio grande borderlands. Durham, NC: Duke University Press. (Chapter 4 and 6)
Alonzo, A. C. (1998). Tejano legacy: Rancheros and settlers in south texas, 1734-1900 (1st ed.). Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press.(Chapter 4).
Levario, M. A., & Project Muse University Press eBooks. (2012). Militarizing the border: When mexicans became the enemy (1st ed.). College Station: Texas A&M University Press. (Chapter 1)
History of the Cortez's family
Alvear, C. L. (2006). Crossing country and county borders: The cortez family's movement north from northern mexico to south and central texas, 1851–1901
About the Movie
Sunness, S., & YOUNG, R. (1984). The ballad of gregorio cortez: AN INTERVIEW WITH ROBERT YOUNG. Cinéaste, 13(4), 39-40.
Sunness, S. (1984). the ballad of gregorio cortez. Cinéaste, 13(4), 39.
Elitzik, P. (1984). The ballad of gregorio cortez. New York: Cineaste Publishers, Inc.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pechodor13 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
I reverted this large-scale deletion by User:Bhockey10, as it seems to me rather brusque to say simply that it is "fluff." Please discuss such drastic changes here. Thanks! --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Just a note to say that per a request from jbmurray I'll be posting some review comments in this section. I'll review the article with an eye to what a GA reviewer would say, and if I go beyond what is needed for GA I'll try to make that clear in the comments. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:03, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
I'll start with the body, and do the lead last. This will be in fragments as I am likely to be interrupted this evening. The requirement for prose quality at GA is "the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct", which means that if I think the way you've written something could be improved, I won't say so unless there's something definitely wrong or I think I reader could misunderstand it.
Despite the promise of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo; Jon will know what the promise is that you refer to, but I don't, unless I click through to the link, which I shouldn't have to do to understand your point. Make it more directly factual: "The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo promised American citizenship to residents who wanted to stay in Texas, but Tejanos in the lower Rio Grande Valley were relegated to second-class status". I think perhaps some simple reordering of sentences would help -- it sounds like the information to be conveyed here is that the annexation's consequences were generally negative for Tejanos; they faced racism and were treated as second-class citizens: here are some examples of problems they faced, and here are some of the causes. And how deeply do we need to go into causes? Does a reader who wants to learn about Gregorio Cortez care that manifest destiny is behind racism in the region?
Américo Paredes pointed out the role of the Texas Rangers division...: verbs like "point out" and "note" imply to the reader that Wikipedia agrees with the sentiment expressed; we should rarely support anything in Wikipedia's voice, so I would use a verb like "argued that" or use "According to Paredes", as you do in the next sentence.
However, they embodied Anglo-American values: what point is this making?
Gregorio Cortez Lira, cowboy, and Mexican-American folk hero was born in the state of Tamaulipas, Mexico...: no need for the descriptives -- the reader has some of this from the lead and we can just say "Gregorio Cortez Lira was born in the state of Tamaulipas, Mexico...". I'd give his birthdate at this point.
A misunderstanding of semantics, and the violence which ensues, lies at the core of the true story of Gregorio Cortez and constitutes the principal incident: I think you could cut this -- I wouldn't fail GA for this, but it strays from a simple account of the facts. I think "true story" is unnecessary, and "core" and "principal incident" are repetitive.
who was allegedly an expert on the Mexican language: surely just "who could speak Spanish"?
-- I'll stop there for now; let me know if anything is unclear. Feel free to post responses or disagreements in between the bullets above if you like. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
I've struck out everything above that was obviously fixed, but since it's changed so much, rather than go through the above points line-by-line I'm just going to read it again and make notes below, so you can ignore the unstruck points above. It's definitely much improved. Incidentally, if I ask a question like "What does Bandit Gang" refer to?", you don't have to just edit the article to fix what you feel the problem is, you can also reply here to explain what the intention was. If you're in any doubt about what I'm driving at that might be the most productive thing to do. Usually I'll reply within 24 hours.
To move beyond this dichotomy, historian Robert M. Utley exposes the complex nature of the relationship between the Mexican Americans and the Texas Rangers.The problem with this phrasing is it makes it sounds like we (that is, Wikipedia editors) agree with Utley. We can't do that because this is Utley's opinion -- it's not a clear statement of fact. How about: "Historian Robert Utley considers the relationship between Mexican Americans and the Texas Rangers to be more complex than this dichotomy suggests; while some rangers may have been..."
The actual story, according to the scholar Américo Paredes, was less heroic.We can't imply that Paredes is right and the others are wrong. I suggest "According to Paredes, the story was less heroic." We don't need to introduce Paredes again -- we mentioned him in the background section.
Though the defense was optimistic about their appeal being upheld, Cortez's lawyers had built a case saying that Cortez had not fired shots anywhere near Glover in the Battle of Belmont which many witnesses denied.I don't understand this sentence -- why do you say the lawyers built a case, though they were optimistic? And what was it that the witnesses denied -- that he had fired shots, or that he had not fired shots?
the film's authenticity is a profound departure from this genre: this is opinion, so either cut "profound", or attribute this inline to the source. Since the next two sentences make the same point with attributed opinions, I would just cut "profound".
the movie has been considered the most authentic Westerns in the history of American cinema: presumably should be "one of the most authentic Westerns", since it's ungrammatical as it stands. Or does the source support "the most authentic Western"?
the choice made by Villasenor: who is Villasenor? Sounds like he was the scriptwriter, or one of them, but if so, say so.
That's everything -- the article is much improved and is now pretty close to GA status. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the semester will be over now, so I'm going to fail this; I'll start another review if any of the students want to continue working on it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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