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I would like to add the following passage to the early history of Kiev: "It is certain that Kiev was a important trade city in the Khazar Empire. Traderoutes between the Khazar capital Atil and cities of middle Europe, like Regensburg, runned through early Kiev. The main figures in this trade were the jewish Radhanite, which made Kiev an important trade city by the end of the 9th century." [1] --Cronitor (talk) 14:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC) Cronitor (talk) 14:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change {{current}} header from Battle of Kyiv (2022) to 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine:
The current event of Battle of Kyiv (2022) has concluded as of time of writing, though updates on the ramifications of this battle on the city are sure to continue—possibly for years. I propose updating this header to point to the larger current event 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine instead. Radio Adept (talk) 07:38, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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I propose that the first sentence of the opening paragraph from
Kyiv (/ˈkiːjɪv/ KEE-yiv,[1] /kiːv/ KEEV;[2] Ukrainian: Київ, pronounced [ˈkɪjiu̯] ⓘ), until recently Kiev (/ˈkiːɛv/, KEE-ev, from Russian: Киев),[3][4] is the capital and most populous city of Ukraine.
be modified so as to assume the following appearance:
Kyiv (/ˈkiːjɪv/ KEE-yiv,[5] /kiːv/ KEEV;[6] Ukrainian: Київ, pronounced [ˈkɪjiu̯] ⓘ) or Kiev (/ˈkiːɛv/, KEE-ev, from Russian: Киев),[7][8] is the capital and most populous city of Ukraine.
This is because the subtitution of 'or' with 'until recently' was made rather arbitrarily. Maciuf (talk) 14:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Done - restored previous consensus lead sentence, also removing Russian-language text included solely to show etymology (which is not appropriate per WP:LEADLANG). Kahastok talk 14:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
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Because the 'Kyiv' spelling has only recently come into prominence, its pronunciation varies; the following transcriptions can be found: /ˈkiːjɪv, ˈkiːv, ˈkiːiːv, ˈkiːjɪf, ˈkɪjɪf, ˈkiːɪf, ˈkɪjiːuː/.[1][2][3][4][5][6] (I do not know to what extent these are a result of usage analysis rather than just guesswork.) I suggest that an appropriate note be added.[lower-alpha 1] Also, 'Kiev' may be pronounced /kiːɛf/. Maciuf (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
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Many people like me are unfamiliar with the name, when did the name even change? How did Kiev turn into Kyiv, either way for the sake of simplicity the title can be changed to something along the lines of "Kyiv or Kiev" if you want to keep Kyiv. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.241.175.158 (talk) 00:03, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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Remove "or Kiev". 2001:A61:2440:B101:D52A:E29C:7F62:13DC (talk) 09:15, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
The page "Kiev" (not this article "Kyiv"), should be linked to this Wikidata item. In order to do so, the redirect needs to temporarily be removed since pages cannot be linked to Wikidata whilst they currently are redirects. This can be done by simply removing the first "#" in the page source (and then re-add it when the article has been linked to the Wikidata item). The page is currently protected so that only administrators can edit it, so I am requesting an administrator to perform the edit. It should only take a minute, and I would be happy to assist further if needed. Thanks in advance. 12u (talk) 11:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Odessa § Requested move 11 July 2022. Rei (talk) 00:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove fake russian name (Kiev) of this beautiful city. The real name is Kyiv, Kiev is a mistake 37.73.73.209 (talk) 14:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
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212.90.61.0 (talk) 21:32, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
^Kyiv (/ˈkiːjɪv/ KEE-yiv,[10] /ˈkiːv/ KEEV;[11] Ukrainian: Київ, pronounced [ˈkɪjiu̯] (listen)) is the capital and most populous city of Ukraine.^ This is the right version of the begging of this article. Because our city is not KIEV please check it and correct. Thank you
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It’s just Kyiv not Kiev. Kiev is literally russian spelling of it. Why would you even put it here? Let’s then name each city in the world in two different languages, as you do it with Kyiv. What the f’ck? What is even the reason? 185.177.190.203 (talk) 18:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Please leave only the correct Ukrainian version of city’s name - it is Kyiv! Remove this russian version “Kiev” 91.232.158.87 (talk) 23:02, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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Good sirs,
The Russian and Ukrainian names of Kiev in the should be places in the first sentence next to the spellings of "Kiev" and "Kyiv", such as what we do with the city Lviv.
Please change the first sentence from: Kyiv, also known as Kiev,...
to: Kyiv (Ukrainian: Київ), also known as Kiev (Russian: Киев),...
Thank you. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 17:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
In this recent edit @Jargo Nautilus has cited a whole book generally a source for an English pronunciation of 'Kyiv' rather than a specific page number, which seems to go against the guidance for Template:Cite book. Does anyone know which specific page this pronunciation guidance is on? Alssa1 (talk) 23:15, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Multiple sources were linked. You are only leaving vocalizations from wikipedia and no outside sources. This is really a biased viewpoint. I have tried several ways to put in the sourced data and you remove them with their sources. If there is a better way to present these facts I can certainly compromise, but just throwing a way sourced vs unsourced info is not the way we do things. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:51, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
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The following sentence in the lead is garbled and in places dubious:
It seems to have been formed by the additon and deletion of various words and phrases over the years. There is no mention in the article of the Red Army "proclaiming" it (proclaiming it as what?). Please change back to the original version of 2005:
2001:BB6:4734:5658:9C58:EEEF:B86E:2BC1 (talk) 13:02, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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template. Since there appears to be some confusion, perhaps a wikilink from "From 1921" would be appropriate, or maybe the sentence could be written as "Beginning with the Peace of Riga in 1921, Kyiv was...". – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
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Kyiv is not also spelled Kiev. Kiev is kyiv in the Russian language. It isn't appropriate to look at ukraine through a Russian lense. Russia is carrying out a war on the culture and language of Ukraine. Using Russian words when talking about Ukraine rather than ukrainian, or English when translating, is subscribing to the Russian attempt to appropriate all things ukrainian and make them Russian. 2A00:23C6:CF1F:4801:E0E4:8277:1F60:550A (talk) 06:11, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
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as a Ukrainian Jew, i wood like to correct the info of Jews in Kyiv Kyiv Jew (talk) 17:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
the medieval and dark age sources (ex constantine) tend to use spellings that are closer to the contemporary finnish. constantine uses kioava. this is very close to a finnish word for "birch tree", koivu, of which the city is inundated by and which is very important symbol in slavic religion. 107.190.59.215 (talk) 03:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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Can we add information on the recent attacks on Ukraine from Russia, with Putin and the Russian military? This is an important part of history now, and will change the lives of everyone around the world. 162.229.178.207 (talk) 01:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
@Bazza 7, the reversion of usage of the hryvnia sign, citing MOS:CURRENCY, is incorrect: MOS:CURRENCY does not once mention not using symbols which are lesser known in English, only linking them in the first mentioned instance.
Mupper-san (talk) 17:01, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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symbol to be commonly-known in English, so think the article prose should follow that recommendation. The infobox, where space is at a premium, still has it. If you feel strongly about it, I won't challenge a reinstatement, but it would be nice to get some other opinions first. Bazza (talk) 17:41, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
This article claims that 'On one of the oldest English maps of the region, Russiae, Moscoviae et Tartariae, published by Ortelius (London, 1570), the name of the city is spelled Kiou.' An English map made by Ortelius was published in London in 1570, without any source. The article on Ortelius states that Theatrum Orbis Terrarum was indeed published in 1570, but not in london, and definitely not in English, but in Latin. I request to remove this part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.90.80.212 (talk) 07:50, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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Removing stress mark in this word, rendered as "Ukrainian: Київ", in the "Name" section.2001:4451:824F:B700:541B:9433:F4CB:52ED (talk) 21:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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Kyiv can't be called Kiev, because Russian is not an official language in Ukraine. 89.1.213.77 (talk) 17:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
In the infobox, the name "Kiev" is under the Ukrainian Cyrillic spelling, and the Russian Kiev should be added under the latin. TheLordKaio (talk) 01:34, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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In section #Twin towns – sister cities, add the following entry/line
since Berlin has a confirmed twin status with Kyiv since today. See press portal of the city of Berlin for reference https://www.berlin.de/aktuelles/8445429-958090-neue-staedtepartnerschaft-mit-kyiv-vital.html Mesotron (talk) 21:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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IN THE CLIMATE SECTION, there are some modifications needed to be changed. Make some slight modifications to the weather box. The top one is the old one, and the bottom one is the new one. Some months' records are outdated. (January, June, September, October, and December record high needs to be updated)
Climate data for Kyiv (1991–2020, extremes 1881–present) | |||||||||||||
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Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
Record high °C (°F) | 11.1 (52.0) |
17.3 (63.1) |
22.4 (72.3) |
30.2 (86.4) |
33.6 (92.5) |
35.0 (95.0) |
39.4 (102.9) |
39.3 (102.7) |
33.8 (92.8) |
28.0 (82.4) |
23.2 (73.8) |
14.7 (58.5) |
39.4 (102.9) |
Mean daily maximum °C (°F) | −0.8 (30.6) |
0.7 (33.3) |
6.5 (43.7) |
15.0 (59.0) |
21.1 (70.0) |
24.6 (76.3) |
26.5 (79.7) |
25.9 (78.6) |
20.0 (68.0) |
12.9 (55.2) |
5.3 (41.5) |
0.5 (32.9) |
13.2 (55.8) |
Daily mean °C (°F) | −3.2 (26.2) |
−2.3 (27.9) |
2.5 (36.5) |
10.0 (50.0) |
15.8 (60.4) |
19.5 (67.1) |
21.3 (70.3) |
20.5 (68.9) |
14.9 (58.8) |
8.6 (47.5) |
2.6 (36.7) |
−1.8 (28.8) |
9.0 (48.2) |
Mean daily minimum °C (°F) | −5.5 (22.1) |
−5.0 (23.0) |
−0.8 (30.6) |
5.7 (42.3) |
10.9 (51.6) |
14.8 (58.6) |
16.7 (62.1) |
15.7 (60.3) |
10.6 (51.1) |
5.1 (41.2) |
0.4 (32.7) |
−3.9 (25.0) |
5.4 (41.7) |
Record low °C (°F) | −32.9 (−27.2) |
−32.2 (−26.0) |
−24.9 (−12.8) |
−10.4 (13.3) |
−2.4 (27.7) |
2.4 (36.3) |
5.8 (42.4) |
3.3 (37.9) |
−2.9 (26.8) |
−17.8 (0.0) |
−21.9 (−7.4) |
−30.0 (−22.0) |
−32.9 (−27.2) |
Average precipitation mm (inches) | 38 (1.5) |
40 (1.6) |
40 (1.6) |
42 (1.7) |
65 (2.6) |
73 (2.9) |
68 (2.7) |
56 (2.2) |
57 (2.2) |
46 (1.8) |
46 (1.8) |
47 (1.9) |
618 (24.3) |
Average extreme snow depth cm (inches) | 9 (3.5) |
11 (4.3) |
7 (2.8) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
2 (0.8) |
5 (2.0) |
11 (4.3) |
Average rainy days | 8 | 7 | 9 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 14 | 11 | 14 | 12 | 12 | 9 | 138 |
Average snowy days | 17 | 17 | 10 | 2 | 0.2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.03 | 2 | 9 | 16 | 73 |
Average relative humidity (%) | 82.7 | 80.1 | 74.0 | 64.3 | 62.0 | 67.5 | 68.3 | 66.9 | 73.5 | 77.4 | 84.6 | 85.6 | 73.9 |
Mean monthly sunshine hours | 42 | 64 | 112 | 162 | 257 | 273 | 287 | 252 | 189 | 123 | 51 | 31 | 1,843 |
Average ultraviolet index | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 |
Source 1: Pogoda.ru.net,[1] Central Observatory for Geophysics (extremes),[2][3] World Meteorological Organization (humidity 1981–2010)[4] | |||||||||||||
Source 2: Danish Meteorological Institute (sun, 1931–1960)[5] and Weather Atlas[6] |
Climate data for Kyiv (1991–2020, extremes 1881–present) | |||||||||||||
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Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
Record high °C (°F) | 13.2 (55.8) |
17.3 (63.1) |
22.4 (72.3) |
30.2 (86.4) |
33.6 (92.5) |
35.5 (95.9) |
39.4 (102.9) |
39.3 (102.7) |
35.7 (96.3) |
27.9 (82.2) |
23.2 (73.8) |
15.2 (59.4) |
39.4 (102.9) |
Mean daily maximum °C (°F) | −0.8 (30.6) |
0.7 (33.3) |
6.5 (43.7) |
15.0 (59.0) |
21.1 (70.0) |
24.6 (76.3) |
26.5 (79.7) |
25.9 (78.6) |
20.0 (68.0) |
12.9 (55.2) |
5.3 (41.5) |
0.5 (32.9) |
13.2 (55.8) |
Daily mean °C (°F) | −3.2 (26.2) |
−2.3 (27.9) |
2.5 (36.5) |
10.0 (50.0) |
15.8 (60.4) |
19.5 (67.1) |
21.3 (70.3) |
20.5 (68.9) |
14.9 (58.8) |
8.6 (47.5) |
2.6 (36.7) |
−1.8 (28.8) |
9.0 (48.2) |
Mean daily minimum °C (°F) | −5.5 (22.1) |
−5.0 (23.0) |
−0.8 (30.6) |
5.7 (42.3) |
10.9 (51.6) |
14.8 (58.6) |
16.7 (62.1) |
15.7 (60.3) |
10.6 (51.1) |
5.1 (41.2) |
0.4 (32.7) |
−3.9 (25.0) |
5.4 (41.7) |
Record low °C (°F) | −31.1 (−24.0) |
−32.2 (−26.0) |
−24.9 (−12.8) |
−10.4 (13.3) |
−2.4 (27.7) |
2.5 (36.5) |
5.8 (42.4) |
3.3 (37.9) |
−2.9 (26.8) |
−17.8 (0.0) |
−21.9 (−7.4) |
−30.0 (−22.0) |
−32.2 (−26.0) |
Average precipitation mm (inches) | 38 (1.5) |
40 (1.6) |
40 (1.6) |
42 (1.7) |
65 (2.6) |
73 (2.9) |
68 (2.7) |
56 (2.2) |
57 (2.2) |
46 (1.8) |
46 (1.8) |
47 (1.9) |
618 (24.3) |
Average extreme snow depth cm (inches) | 9 (3.5) |
11 (4.3) |
7 (2.8) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
0 (0) |
2 (0.8) |
5 (2.0) |
11 (4.3) |
Average rainy days | 8 | 7 | 9 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 14 | 11 | 14 | 12 | 12 | 9 | 138 |
Average snowy days | 17 | 17 | 10 | 2 | 0.2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.03 | 2 | 9 | 16 | 73 |
Average relative humidity (%) | 82.7 | 80.1 | 74.0 | 64.3 | 62.0 | 67.5 | 68.3 | 66.9 | 73.5 | 77.4 | 84.6 | 85.6 | 73.9 |
Mean monthly sunshine hours | 42 | 64 | 112 | 162 | 257 | 273 | 287 | 252 | 189 | 123 | 51 | 31 | 1,843 |
Average ultraviolet index | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 |
Source 1: Pogoda.ru.net,[7] Central Observatory for Geophysics (extremes),[2][3] World Meteorological Organization (humidity 1981–2010)[8] | |||||||||||||
Source 2: Danish Meteorological Institute (sun, 1931–1960)[9] and Weather Atlas[10] |
Solids02 (talk) 23:26, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hi @TaivoLinguist:.
1. It's not just "in English", it's in any of the 3 languages I speak.
2. Ukraine, as soon as it achieved full independence, changed Kiev to Kyiv.
3. The "Name" section, which you invoke, says the same! Check the vowels. And that is indeed the strongest argument.
4. It is VERY relevant in the current context of Ukr. vs. Russ. nationalism, and relevant stuff belings in the lead.
Now if you can prove that it's poteytoh - potahtow, then go ahead, bring your arguments. But as it is - you owe me a convincing explanation :) Which I'm looking forward to! Cheers, Arminden (talk) 19:01, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
Click plz on the illustration "Legendary Kyi, Shchek, Khoryv and Lybid in the Radziwiłł Chronicle"/ The last line of the text is: (и сотвори)ша городокъ въ имя брата их старшаго. и нарекоша Киев. Translation: And (they) built a town. and called it Kiev after the name of the older brother — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.233.220.41 (talk) 19:13, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hello,
I was thinking of adding a new paragraph about protection, in the culture section. UNESCO has just added a world heritage site in Kyiv to the list of World Heritage in Danger. Here's what I wrote:
"In September 2023, the UNESCO World Heritage Committee placed Kyiv’s Saint Sophia Cathedral and the Pechersk-Lavra Monastery on the List of World heritage in danger. According to the committee, although the Ukrainian government has taken action to protect the sites "optimal conditions are no longer met to fully guarantee the protection of the Outstanding Universal Value of the property and that it is threatened by potential danger due to the war”. The list is protected by the 1972 UNESCO Convention, ratified by both Russia and Ukraine. Inclusion on the list is intended to mobilize urgent international support."1234
References I used:
1. https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2023/09/15/unesco-adds-kyiv-lviv-sites-world-heritage-danger
2. https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-un-heritage-war-54620f9e495fe50349cc568c8347ab87
4. https://whc.unesco.org/en/158/
E.poul (talk) 09:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
What are arguments to exclude valuable content about the Kyiv Castle which dates to the Middle Ages and is described in English Wikipedia article Zamkova Hora and two Ukrainian Wikipedia articles (see: Київський замок and Замкова гора (Київ)? @Khajidha: your arguments "don't seem very notable to me" (diff) looks like just a personal opinion, not a valid argument to remove this referenced information from the article. So if no valid arguments will be presented, then I will restore version (my diff) which was removed by @Bazza 7: (diff) also without proper content-wise arguments why this content should be excluded from the article. -- Pofka (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi! in this sentence: "Scholars continue to debate when the city was founded: The traditional founding date is 482 CE, so the city celebrated its 1,500th anniversary in 1982. Archaeological data indicates a founding in the sixth or seventh centuries, with some researchers dating the founding as late as the late 9th century," there should definitely be a period at the end. Aiue (talk) 15:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
As per both the article and wiktionary, the folk etymology of Kyiv being named after Kyi is put too far into question, at least in my opinion, for the "named_for" section of the infobox to link to Kyi. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 05:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
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