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He was a child from Wilhelm Diedrich Heinrich Pauling born 17 April 1833 in Gilten. He was the cousin from my Grandfather. 2 March 2008 Georg Pauling email georg_pauling@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Georg Pauling (talk • contribs) 14:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification on the age. I will note that the end note: "Hager, p. 22." is ambiguous because there are at least two Hager books listed.70.113.69.97 (talk) 06:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
i found this quote on a web site
"Everyone should know that most cancer research is largely a fraud and that the major cancer research organisations are derelict in their duties to the people who support them." - Linus Pauling PhD (Two-time Nobel Prize winner).
there doesnt seem to be anything on the page about him being critical of cancer research can somone look in to if this quote is true?
it was from this web sight its on the first page at the bottom http://healingdaily.com/ NEMO —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemo.shark (talk • contribs) 11:22, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
It really isn't fair to say that Pauling got the peace prize for misguided leftist politics. Above ground nuclear testing causes fallout, which in turn causes cancer. One doesn't have to be a leftist to agree with that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.94.36.74 (talk • contribs) .
Pauling was a US citizen, resident in the US at the time. Visas are issued by the destination country, to permit you to enter. And a citizen is always allowed to return, visa or not. Surely what is meant here is that the UK government denied him a visa? Or perhaps that he did not yet have a passport, and the US State Department refused to issue one? (At which point it would be the discretion of the UK government to allow him in or not.) Either way, as stated it cannot be right. Securiger 05:54, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
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makes it sound like he supported alternative medicine in general, which he certainly did not. (In Vitamin C and the Common Cold he is scathing about "organic food", for example). I've changed it. Securiger 08:53, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
Pauling's U.S. passport was not renewed in 1952 because, as a State Department employee explained, " ...your proposed travel would not be in the best interests of the United States." See: Thomas Hager, Force of Nature: The Life of Linus Pauling. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1995, pp. 400-401.
A correction: Pauling is one of three two-time Nobel Prize winners. John Bardeen is the only Nobel Prize winner to win it twice in the same field - Physics. He shared his first in 1956 with William Shockley and William Brattain for the invention of the transistor. His second came in 1972 for BCS theory in superconductivity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Helen B (talk • contribs) .
The article didn't reflect these corrections adequately, so I updated it based on this info and that in the Marie Curie page. I assumed the information above was correct. Fauxvegan 08:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Emphasis added by me:
Interestingly, the Caltech Chemistry Department, wary of his political views, did not even formally congratulate him. However, the Biology Department did throw him a small party, and one cannot help but think that they were more appreciative and sympathetic toward his work on mutations caused by radiation.
Is this NPOV?--Fangz 22:10, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
In the introductory paragraph, I put in: "a pioneer in the application of quantum mechanics to chemistry" instead of "one of the first quantum chemists" because I think it better describes his essential contribution in a single statement. I also put in the parts about molecular biology and proteins because they were also very significant contributions that he made.--Ashujo 14.00 10 Feb, 2005.
Exactly where how does the author come to the conclusion that many scientists consider Pauling's later work as outright quackery? I hope it isn't from quackwatch.org which is headed up by an anti-nutritionist extremist married to pharmaceuticals. Even while Pauling was alive, he was against the work of the Institute that carries his name. They pretend to "carry on" his work and get funding thanks to his name, but it is very clear in his books that the institute does not carry on the work of Pauling because they recommend only moderate doses of vitamin C. Also, the largest studies around show vitamin C in > 1.5 grams/day has the strongest postive benefit to the heart of all known compounds, so I would like to see the author's reference to the published peer-reviewed literature that contradicts the abstract i have in front of me. And if the author doesn't know of that abstract, then he has no business writing about Pauling's later work. Also, there are many studies investigating vitamin C and cancer, most of which are positive or neutral, another gross error in the author's "research" that seems to have referred to only one "quack" website and "most" scientists. Can you reference the poll that was taken? I am sure it isn't a poll of nutritionists. - Scott —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.214.99.108 (talk • contribs) .
Dispite a cogent dissection of the second Mayo cancer trial, the carefully crafted tidal wave of adverse publicity effectively undercut Pauling's credibility and his vitamin C work for a generation.
Should read: "Despite two lengthy and expensive studies by the Mayo Institute, the effectiveness of Vitamin C as a cancer preventing agent remains entirely unproven." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.65.180.104 (talk • contribs) .
Mayo-Moertel proved nothing except perhaps incompetence or malice, see previous note and refs. They acted and completely failed to replicate the Pauling + Cameron protocols in ways that are easy to construe in the negative. --69.178.31.177 07:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Whether or not Vitamin C does anything valuable, it is hard to dispute the fact that Linus Pauling lived to the ripe and productive old age of 93. The vitamin is a reasonable thing to take and recommend. Thank you for my 2 cents. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.120.208.101 (talk • contribs) .
That said, there's a lot of people who smoke and still live to the age of 93. That doesn't mean doing so will increase your life expectancy (which is what you'll get from looking at just those people). You can't look at case study of 1 and use it to justify a way of life. 203.5.70.1 11:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello--please don't delete my comments in the Vitamin C section about the Pauling-Moertel cancer research studies. Someone deleted a more balanced presentation of the controversy, and I don't think that's fair. Also, I reinstituted the discussion on the recent cancer studies that I think is much more accurate and detailed (and better-cited) than the original text. I added four new citations to the article, and I think they should be allowed to stay. Please don't delete these comments. Also, I renamed the section "Medical research", not "Work in Alternative Medicine", which understates the value of Pauling's contributions.--Dr.michael.benjamin 06:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I am working to encourage implementation of the goals of the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Part of that is to make sure articles cite their sources. This is particularly important for featured articles, since they are a prominent part of Wikipedia. The Fact and Reference Check Project has more information. Thank you, and please leave me a message when you have added a few references to the article. - Taxman 19:03, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
What are the sources for the information in the career section?--Blakestern (talk) 16:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Right before his death, on his radio show (whoch should be mentioned), I could have sworn I heard him advocating treating or curing AIDS by depressing the immune system. Can anyone confirm that this was a treatment being used back then by some radicals? I was close editing a sentence to read: "Later in life, he became an advocate for regular consumption of massive doses of Vitamin C, which is still regarded as medically unorthodox today, and for treating AIDS by depressing the immune system, which is no longer advocated." -Barry- 11:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
ive actually thought of this myself about hiv, if it only effects the immune cells then if you could temporarly suppress all of those cells the virus has no where to hide, then discontinue suppression treatment and infuse a cocktail of antiviral inhibitors and drugs known kill hiv and it may work? because if it has no cells to infect then it cant replicate and change form which is why most scientists say a vaccine wont work. nemo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemo.shark (talk • contribs) 11:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Pauling co-authored a PNAS paper in 1990 (Suppression of human immunodeficiency virus replication by ascorbate in chronically and acutely infected cells [Harakeh S, Jariwalla RJ , and Pauling L. PNAS 87:7245-7249]), reporting that vitamin C strongly inhibited viral replication, as assessed by reverse transcriptase and p24 antigen assays. The authors suggested that a combination of high-dose vitamin C to prevent viral replication and AZT, which prevents the de novo infection of uninfected cells, may be a good therapeutic strategy. I don't think that Pauling suggested that ascorbate depresses immune function. On the contrary, he speculated that immune enhancement may be one of vitamin C's great attributes, especially in fighting viral infections like the common cold.
It seems to me that he should also be called a physicist.
Pauling, in a public lecture at Cal Tech, around 1960, stated proudly that his appointment there was in physics as well as in chemistry, or at least that was what they had told him before he came. Later, in Santa Barbara, he published on nuclear physics, though I do not know how much he accomplished there. It has been suggested that a major journal bypassed its usual editorial policy to be able to publish a paper by a double Nobel laureate.
But little known and unimportant details aside, covalent bonds, though they may be chemistry now, were clearly also physics when he worked on them. David R. Ingham 04:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Please read the Rosalind Franklin article and contribute to the peer review. Your comments would be much appreciated. Alun 05:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Although the article does not seem to mention Pauling's religion, as often happens, zealous Wikipedians seem to have added him to their favourite religions. So he's currently a Unitarian-Lutheran humanist. As far as I know, his parents were Lutheran and religion wasn't really his cup of tea... but any categorization of Pauling's relgious views should be backed up by statements in the main article and those should have references. TheGrappler 22:55, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it was Paul Dirac who theoretically re-discovered purling, not Pauling: http://www.dirac.ch/PaulDirac.html --Ewen
Pauling was greatly mocked after the Mayo episodes. Even though Pauling's scientific criticisms are simple and powerful (Moertel completely failed to *replicate* the work and fundamentally approached the test design in a high handed and biased manner, as shown in prior stmts, subsequent correspondence & actions), Pauling was simply brushed aside in the media as a doddering old fool that one still treats somewhat respectfully. LP's writing and interviews after that show that he was still mentally acute. His cancer work with vitamin C is undergoing a quiet scientific rehabilitation within the last two years in mainstream publications (NAS, NIH), some of them linked in the section. "Dissection" alone is easy to interpret as an unmeritorious backlash. "Cogent" is hard to properly replace.--69.178.41.55 22:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Except that everything you say here is highly POV. I'm sure Mayo, Moertel & 'the media' would say that his criticisms weren't 'cogent' or 'powerful'. This is obviously controversial, so we can't take sides when we describe the controversy. Ashmoo 00:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that this section is all an interesting work that should probably be a separate, expanded article with such detailed references perhaps there. Pauling had a lot of notable and quotable work, the main article is getting close to unwieldy and needs to leave the mindspace for high priority summary writings. I would suggest that 1-2 hot links be added to the "External links" section, only one refernce be added to the references list, the rest of the hot links go in line in the "Spheron, etc..." section. I will ask, that long term, these references be removed from Talk and be put in another, more specialized LP article or on a subpage - archive.--69.178.41.55 03:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
cut & pasted unaltered here, some improvements on the references remaining inline: Publications by Linus Pauling on the Spheron Nucleon Cluster Structure of the Atomic Nucleus
Pauling, Linus, "Structural Basis of Neutron and Proton Magic Numbers in Atomic Nuclei", Nature, Letters to the Editor, Vol. 208, Oct. 9, 1965, p. 174
Pauling, Linus, "Structural significance of the principal quantum number of nucleonic orbital wave functions", Phys. Rev. Lett, 15, Sept., 1965 pp. 499
Pauling, Linus, "The Close-Packed_Spheron Model of Atomic Nuclei and its Relation to the Shell Model", Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol. 54, No. 4, Oct. 15 1965, p. 989 http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/rnb/26/26-012.html
Pauling, Linus, "The Close-Packed-Spheron Theory and Nuclear Fission", Science, Vol. 150, No. 3694, Oct. 15 1965, p. 297 http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/rnb/26/26-026.html
Pauling, Linus, "Structural Basis of the Onset of Nuclear Deformation at Neutron Number 90", Physical Review Letters, Vol. 15, No. 22, Nov. 29 1965, p. 868
Pauling, Linus, "The close-packed-spheron theory of nuclear structure and the neutron excess for stable nuclei (Dedicated to the seventieth anniversary of Professor Horia Hulubei" Revue Roumain de Physique 11 no. 9,10. July, 1966, pp:825-833 http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/rnb/26/26-048.html
Pauling, Linus, "Magnetic-Moment Evidence For The Polyspheron Structure of the Lighter Atomic Nuclei", Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol. 58, p 2175, 1967 http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/rnb/26/26-068.html
Pauling, Linus, "Baryon resonances as rotational states", Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci, USA Vol. 56, 1966, pp:1676-1677
Pauling, Linus, "Geometric factors in nuclear structure", in Maria Sklodowska-Curie: Centenary Lectures. Vienna:International Atomic Energy Agency, 1968, pp. 83-88
Pauling, Linus, "Orbiting Clusters in Atomic Nuclei", Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci., USA Vol. 64, No. 3, November 15, 1969, p. 807 http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/rnb/26/26-075.html
Pauling, Linus, and Blethen, John, "Resonance Between a Prolate and a Superprolate Structure of the 162Er Nucleus", Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol. 71, No. 7, July 1974, pp. 2905-2907
Pauling, Linus, "Structure of the Excited Band in 24Mg", Physical Review Letters, Vol. 35, No. 21, Nov. 24, 1975, p. 1480
Pauling, Linus, and A.B.Robinson. "Rotating Clusters In Nuclei", Can. J. Phys., Vol. 53, 1975, p. 1953-1964 http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/rnb/26/26-084.html
Pauling, Linus, "Structure of the Excited Rotational Band in 40Ca", Physical Review Letters, Vol. 36, No. 3, January 19 1976, p. 162
Pauling, Linus, "Superprolate Shape of the Spontaneous-Fission Isomer 240Am^m", Physical Review C, Vol. 22, No. 4, Oct. 1980, p. 1585
Pauling, Linus, "Changes in the Structure of Nuclei Between the Magic Neutron Numbers 50 and 82 as Indicated by a Rotating-Cluster analysis of the Energy Values of the First 2+ Excited States of Isotopes of Cadmium, Tin, and Tellurium", Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol. 78, No. 9, Sept. 1981, pp. 5296-5298
Pauling, Linus, "Comment on the Test for Tetrahedral Symmetry in the 16O Nucleus and its Ralation to the Shell Model", Physical Review Letters, Vol. 49, No. 15, Oct. 11 1982
Pauling, Linus, "Prediction of the Shapes of Deformed Nuclei by the Polyspheron Theory", Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol. 79, April 1982, pp. 2740-2742
Pauling, Linus, "Rules Governing the Composition of Revolving Clusters in Quasiband and Prolate-Deformation States of Atomic Nuclei", Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol. 79, Nov. 1982, pp. 7073-7075
Pauling, Linus, "Discussion of the coexisting O+ band in the doubly closed subshell 96Zr on the basis of the polyspheron model", Phys Rev C 35, 1987, pp:1162-1163
Pauling, Linus, "Regularities in the Sequences of the Number of Nucleons in the Revolving Clusters for the Ground-State Energy Bands of the Even-Even Nuclei with Neutron Number Equal to or Greater than 126". Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, Vol. 87, June 1990, pp. 4435-4438
Pauling, Linus, "Transition from one revolving cluster to two revolving clusters in the ground-state rotational bands of nuclei in the lanthanon region"., Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci., Vol 88, 1991, pp:820-823 http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/rnb/26/26-125.html
Pauling, Linus, "Analysis of the energy of the first four excited states of the ground-state rotational bands of the even-even lanthannon nuclei (58Ce to 70Yb) with the model of a single cluster of nucleons revolving about a sphere", Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci., Vol 88, 1991, pp:4401-4403
Pauling, Linus, “Puzzling questions about excited superdeformed rotational bands of atomic nuclei are answered by the two-revolving-cluster-model”. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci., USA Vol. 89, 1992, pp. 8963-8965
Pauling, Linus, “Analysis of a hyperdeformed band of 66Dy86 on the basis of a structure with two revolving clusters, each with a previously unrecognized two-tiered structure”. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci, USA Vol. 91. 1994, pp.897-899
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As the person that provided these references, I find no problem with the removal of these papers from the main article, as long as the important topic (e.g., that Pauling invented a very interesting cluster model of the atomic nucleus) is maintained on the article page.
The Cassileth statement pushes a factual error, sourced or not, and asserts a dubious, unreferenced majority as current professional opinion (that they of course have lots of doubts maybe, or extremists' stmts such as QW continuing to try to influence opinion, but such bumpkin catcalls by 50+% as an individual's professional stmt seem unlikely in the face of current science and trends on vitamin C). Btw, the "professional" societies in this aspect might be better identified as an anticompetitive, financial POV that is often sustained by a number of antiscientiic dodges including misrepresentations of irrelevant tests including likely scientific frauds (repeated, 2-3 strikes in test designs in multiyear efforts is hard to swallow as mere oversight or incompetence), ad hom, persecution and decades long resource denial (failure to test or approve testing). I removed the bigoted, blatantly erroneous stmt by Cassileth (...no benefit), after citing an unrefuted, simple demonstration by counterexample of an absolute stmt in the edit summary; more are available at Orthomolecular Medicine talk, some real doctor examples included. Your assertion that a majority of MD doctors would be so dismissive to an objective public or an encyclopedia is highly dubious and has no current reference, eg. "51+% of US doctors denounce Pauling's vitamin C work and dance on his grave" the way you do (pharma paid, alcohol influenced, herd or revival-like personal behaviors aside, this assertion of a dogmatic majority seems hardly encyclopedic and unlikely at a professional level). Your QW refs are wholly inadequate to support a statement on the current state of affairs in medical opinion. Few, if any, doctors that I have actually talked with would make such an naked stmt, they tend to say something along the lines of "we never discussed Pauling's vitamin C theories in med school", "I didn't have much training in nutrition" or "oh" - you need a really good reference here. I kept the refs as an example of sentiment but think it will be better handled at OM alone. You are eager to bash a notable person with your "Brother Stephen" anti-OM denunciation campaign, that has been repeatedly shot down & sustained at the "list of ps" and your (several of you) highly advertised references often have multiple flaws such as the BCCA page (I previously stopped at about 4 problems, have another half dozen that I would rather not work up) and Cassileth's absolute (wrong) stmt. Controversial yes, and the historical "quackery" charge adequately addresses the issue. The " ps" pejorative and Cassileth's "no benefit" misstatement have been addressed repeatedly now, and will be addressed as QW advertising (where you apparently are involved with the site) & trolling henceforth.--TheNautilus 15:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information. I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list. Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this approach as a model for the editors here. Regards, Durova 15:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
The article states both 1970 and 1972 as the date for LP getting the Lenin Peace Prize
(147.241.58.2 23:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC))The reference to Edgar bright Wilson as a student is commented out probably because there is no article on Wilson. Wilson was a famous chemist in his own right and also advisor to Nobel Laureate Dudley Herschbach. I don't have the wherewithal to give him a page, but he deserves one.
The "Activism" section of this article says:
Is this really correct? Pauling was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1962, but this passage sounds like Pauling was awarded the prize right after the treaty became effective by their signing in 1963. Was he really awarded the prize on the day that the treaty went into force? Or could a treaty be effective before being signed? --Occhanikov 19:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
This Wikipedia article notes that Linus Pauling was buried in the Oswego Pioneer Cemetery. That is true as far as it goes. There are Paulings buried there (based on personal observation of gravestones, summer, 2007). But Linus Pauling is no longer buried there. Lake Oswegans know that the family moved the burial some months after the original internment, but the destination is not known. Does anyone know where Linus Pauling is presently buried? Etnelav 13:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)etnelav
After talking with archivists at the Ava Helen and Linus Pauling Papers and with Tom Hager, Pauling's biographer, I think that this section should be verified with references or deleted. Pauling clearly talked with colleagues in the chemistry division and other academic departments at Caltech, but I have found no evidence that he actively worked on the development of an electric car. Without such substantiation, this Wikipedia section is unwarranted. Any objections or comments? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.193.21.87 (talk) 23:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree. From all I have read on Pauling, I haven't come across a discussion of his contributions to an electric car. I would surely like to see some reference on that- Ashujo November 4, 2007, 13.02 —Preceding comment was added at 18:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I went through the limited notes from the A class review, FA review, and latest FAC and here is what's left to work on:
I removed the trivia and genealogical sections, and re-named the "Marriage" section, which seems to have been most of the complaints. So if we can start sourcing the info, re-do the lead (break into about four smaller paragraphs), and then just copy edit it should be ready for at least GA. Aboutmovies 07:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria and have quick-failed the article at this time for the following reasons. The article is currently undersourced, with several sections within the article completely lacking inline citations (the article does a good job sourcing most of the article though). I'd recommend going through the articles and adding sources for all statements that may be questioned over the verifiability by the reader. There are also several "citation needed" tags that all need to be addressed before renominating. Image:Pauling Vit C Book Cover.jpg also needs a detailed fair use rationale to allow the image to be included on the article. A simple fix that is needed, is that the inline citations need to go directly after the punctuation with no spaces in between (this occurs several times throughout the article). Once you have corrected these issues, have an outside editor look it over for a copyedit and check the rest of the GA criteria. When this is completed, please consider nominating the article again at WP:GAN. If you disagree with this review, you can seek an alternate opinion at Good article reassessment. If you have any questions about this review, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Good work so far, but keep working at it. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 10:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
During the '80s Linus Pauling was one of the most vocal opponents of quasicrystals. Today it appears that he was most certainly wrong but at the time his authority allowed him to publish his less and less convincing papers. As spin doctor put it: his criticism incited researchers to improve their data. Refs on this topic are easy to find and perhaps it should be mentioned in the article.195.96.229.104 (talk) 12:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
There is strong reason to believe that Irwin Abrams is incorrect in suggesting that Pauling was born in Oswego, Oregon. (as currently suggested on the Pauling article and cited in footnote 4) In his biography "Force of Nature: The Life of Linus Pauling," author Thomas Hager notes that Pauling was born "in a cheap apartment house on the edge of Portland's Chinatown." (pp. 22-23) Pauling himself confirms this in the transcript of an oral history interview conducted in May 1980 by Ilona Fry ("The Pauling Catalogue," Oregon State University, Vol. IV, ref: bio5.028.1): "I was born in Portland, Oregon, the 28th of February, 1901." A certified copy of Pauling's birth certificate has been digitized and posted on Oregon State University's PaulingBlog at http://paulingblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/featured-document-linus-paulings-birth-certificate/ Petersec (talk) 21:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
There can be no debate that when Linus Pauling graduated from college the name of the school he attended was Oregon Agricultural College. Unfortunately, readers do not easily connect this with the schools current name, Oregon State University. This is why it is best to refer to the college as Oregon State University throughout the article and at some later point mention its early name. Readers will better identify where and which university we are talking about by referring to it as its current name and not a now non-existent school name. By noting the early name later in the article we will have supplied the reader with sufficient information to understand what the name of the school was when he graduated. FYI: This is not my own formatting style, most American universities have dropped the use of their early names and only mention them in historical reference to eliminate confusion.AgntOrange (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Despite the disruptive editing going on and the redundancy of giving your opinions again, could folks please weigh in on the informal straw poll I've created, in order to clearly show that there is consensus (or not) for the (at the moment) current version of the article? Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 14:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
The article should refer to the name of the school he attended, with ample clarification about the current name of the school, which could look like, but should not necessarily be limited to this version. Katr67 (talk) 01:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Quackwatch is essentially a self-published source. Self-published sources are only appropriate if the individual is noted in the field:
Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications.
Stephen Barrett is not noted for his work in science, much less in biomedical research.Thus, his claim is not a RS for the claim that Pauling's work was regarded as quackery, and should not be used. Find a better source; it should not be difficult to do. Note that I left the sentence -- you can probably back this up with a RS. Please reply, Fangz, and revert yourself unless you can somehow show that Barrett is a RS. You claim that Barrett is a RS that "the claim was made". But we don't allow just anyone to make a claim on this encyclopedia. I could probably find some websites making some pretty crazy claims -- but that doesn't mean they should be added to Wikipedia. This encyclopedia is mainly not facts, but rather claims. ImpIn | (t - c) 05:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Barrett's paper does not cite the "3 Mayo Clinic trials" correctly, and in fact seems to be confused. In fact there were only two Mayo Clinic trials (see Discussion and sources 8,9 on this paper, or 3,4 in this paper). One of them happened in 1979, the other one happened in 1985. This sort of error would not happen in peer review, and it is the reason we prefer to use peer reviewed, published sources. If I'm wrong, please point it out. ImpIn | (t - c) 07:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
On several places in the text there is a reference, for example (Dunitz 333) with the URL. The link is dead. I guess it is a reference to: Dunitz, Jack D. (November 1996). "Linus Carl Pauling, 28 February 1901–19 August 1994". Biographical Memoirs of Fellows of the Royal Society 42: 316–338. Can anyone clarify that. MaxPont (talk) 06:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
The intro states that he is "the only [person] to win two [nobel prizes] in unrelated fields". What makes two fields unrelated? Marie Curie won prizes in both physics and chemistry. They're both scientific, but not the same subject. Are Pauling's Chemistry and peace more unrelated? "Unrelated fields" is not very specific. It should be changed or clarified.
Is the sentence
"Pauling's protegé, Dr. Mathias Rath, M.D., continued his early works into cellular medicine, expanding the volumes of data about natural substances related in disease prevention and alleviation."
necessary in this article? I'm not sure of its relevance.--TraceyR (talk) 19:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I strongly agree that the Rath reference should be deleted. His relationship with Pauling was short, stormy, and ended badly; Pauling would not consider the statement as written an accurate representation of their relationship or Rath's position vis-a-vis Pauling's work. Pauling, during his long career, had a decisive influence on a number of careers, and his work was carried on more directly by any number of students, postdocs, assistants, and visiting faculty members. To include Rath and not include the others is to skew history unnecessarily. Tom Hager, Pauling biographer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Relhager (talk • contribs) 17:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I have restored a fact tag for a sentence:
I would agree with that statement, and have no problem with the statement as such, but it's not sourced, and I don't see the subject directly mentioned or sourced in the article, so it fails on two counts. To be mentioned in the LEAD, it must be discussed in the body of the article, and that discussion must be sourced. Maybe I'm not seeing it. If it's there, please correct me. I hope I'm wrong. -- Brangifer (talk) 23:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
In the section titled "Molecular medicine and medical research", the paragraph that begins with the sentence, "As of 2007, new evidence was proposed by a Canadian group showing that intravenous vitamin..." has nothing to do with Pauling. Perhaps this content is more appropriate for another article such as Vitamin C and the common cold. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 04:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Section 1.2.4 of the article states, with regard to Pauling's reaction to research which found no anti-cancer effects for vitamin C: "Pauling denounced the conclusions of these studies and handling of the final study as "fraud and deliberate misrepresentation",[67][68] and criticized the studies for using oral, rather than intravenous vitamin C[69]". I have recently been discussing Pauling's views on vitamin C with a self-professed expert on Pauling, who is convinced Pauling's views are commonly misrepresented. He in particular denies that Pauling objected to such studies failing to use the intravenous route. Before directing him to [69], I felt it prudent to double-check it provided evidence Pauling expressed such a view. Having done so, I cannot find therein any clear evidence Pauling himself explicitly observed the import of which route these studies used (although the authors of [69] do themselves mention that Pauling's own earlier studies, whose conclusion was of course different, used an intravenous route whereas the later ones did not, and mention that this likely reduced vitamin C levels in the bloodstream of patients in the later studies). It is possible that [69] does somewhere show that Pauling himself raised such objections as these, but I found no evidence of that. I am sure the many people who have worked on this topic before will be in a much better position than me to see where, if at all, [69] shows this; if it does not, then presumably this citation must be removed. (As to whether an alternative source should be found, the claim should be left without one or the claim should be removed altogether, I've no views.) So, does anyone know? 90.218.21.224 (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
In addition, some of the wording suggests that it is not the model that was wrong, but its reception by the scientific community, cf. for example the phrase: "Taken at face value, the conclusions of Norman Cook imply that the 1965 Pauling Spheron Model of the atomic nucleus has simply been ignored." This will confuse the reader: the model was not ignored, it was assessed by the community, and rejected (or forgotten) because it did not bring anything new, and did not lend itself to test experiments. In short, it did not qualify as science, but as pseudo-science. This confusion is enhanced by expressions like "...but more likely Pauling was taking a unique approach to understanding the relatively new discovery in the late 1940s..." It may have been a unique approach, but it was a dead-end. Again, the model is qualitative only, does not yield verifiable predictions and is anyway totally outdated today.
I have reformulated this paragraph to make these few points clearer: while Pauling was certainly a genius in chemistry, his late in life contributions in nuclear physics did not bring anything valuable to this field. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schunck (talk • contribs) 05:29, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
t was sometimes said at that time that this work received more attention than it would have if it had been done by a less famous person. In particular, critics could point out that the model does not discuss at all what interaction could bind the spherons together. It does not address either the origin of this clustering, e.g., in the context of the theory of the strong interaction. Lacking of any quantitative proposition as to how spherons interact, most of Pauling's papers on the subject (see references given above) are qualitative discussions on well-known experimental facts: they are therefore void of any predictive power and do not explain anything that could not be interpreted quantitatively in the context of the shell model. Pauling's model has therefore been quietly forgotten.
Surely he didn't win the Pierre Fermat prize in Mathematics back in 1957, when in fact the prize was created in 1989. Is there a second Pierre Fermat prize? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.78.35.175 (talk) 09:02, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
TraceyR (talk) 08:40, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
The article currently claims that:
Firstly, Linus Pauling's position was on the taking of high doses, not the importance of vitamins for health. Secondly, the position of taking very high doses of vitamins to fend off the cold does not seem to have the claimed support in recent papers . It does not have support for taking high doses of vitamins to prevent cancer from what I can see e.g A high dose of beta-carotene and retinol actually increases the risk of lung cancer: . The source appears to be extremely vague about which studies and its conclusion that "Pauling's ideas about molecular balance and health are increasingly important to a health-conscious public, as well as to a growing number of health professionals." appear also to be vague. It seems at odds as to what actual studies say. IRWolfie- (talk) 18:27, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Because of the refusal of User:67.168.251.241 to discuss, and their persistent efforts to edit over the objections of other editors, I have requested semi-protection. They should discuss their concerns here and convince other editors before repeatedly attempting to make their edits. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:03, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I'm not following proper procedure, but I couldn't figure out how to do it! I wanted to add a "citation needed" to the "Pauling Road in Monee, Illinois is another homage." sentence, as I think it's untrue.
Rachelewhite (talk) 02:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
In the section about nuclear structure, Pauling is quoted as saying in an interview: "Now recently, I have been trying to determine detailed structures of atomic nuclei by analyzing the ground state and excited state vibrational bends"; this is a correct quotation from the cited source (http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/pau0int-9) but surely "vibrational bonds" would make more sense. Has anyone access to a primary source for this statement to check this? --TraceyR (talk) 09:34, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
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