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Is there a historian available who can sort out the truth of this article's statement: "In the early 19th century, the United States acquired this territory from France." It's cited to the library which does seem to say so, but I guess only the part of Minneapolis that is west of the Mississippi was in the Louisiana Purchase. So for now I'm leaving the "citation needed" flag. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:01, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
There appears to be two original European settlements, both at St. Anthony Falls. The two communities later merged. This paper by the Minnesota Historical Society looks interesting: . See pp. 11–15 of the .pdf numbering. See also this blog: . Scroll down to the bibliography for more references. Cheers, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 18:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not a historian, but I sometimes play one here. Without using Wikipedia as a source, we might look at History_of_Minnesota#Land_acquisition (which is also a featured article). It says "All of the land east of the Mississippi River was granted to the United States by the Second Treaty of Paris at the end of the American Revolution in 1783. This included what would become modern day Saint Paul but only part of Minneapolis..." Our article on the Louisiana Purchase says its boundaries were disputed: "the U.S. claimed Louisiana included the entire western portion of the Mississippi River drainage basin..." while "Spain insisted that Louisiana comprised no more than the western bank of the Mississippi River and the cities of New Orleans and St. Louis." So either way, the west bank of Minneapolis (most of the present city) was part of the Purchase. Of course, that was all unsurveyed lines on abstract maps; the land really belonged to the Ojibwe and Dakota people. Jonathunder (talk) 22:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Descendants of first peoples, Dakota and Ojibwe were the region's sole residents when French explorers arrived around 1680. For a time, amicable relations were based on fur trading.[1] Gradually, more European-American settlers arrived, competing for game and other resources with the Native Americans and introducing disease and alcoholism.[2]
After the Revolutionary War in the late 18th century, the land east of the Mississippi was granted to the United States by Great Britain.[3] In the early 19th century, the United States acquired land to the west from France in the Louisiana Purchase.[3] Fort Snelling, just south of present-day Minneapolis, was built in 1819 by the United States Army.[3] It attracted traders, settlers and merchants, spurring growth in the area. The United States government pressed the Mdewakanton band of the Dakota to sell their land, allowing people arriving from the East to settle there.[1] The Minnesota Territorial Legislature authorized Minneapolis as a town in 1856, on the Mississippi's west bank. Minneapolis incorporated as a city in 1867, the year rail service began between Minneapolis and Chicago. It later joined with the east-bank city of St. Anthony in 1872.[4][5]
Hi again. I am going ahead to fix the citation flag. The MPL series covers information in enough depth for this high level overview. We don't even stop to name a single person except Little Crow. You might check this one[3] which is more clear about the date of the French arrival. The historical society is even more exact, July 1680. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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Today we have a new edit adding supercross and motorcross to the sports table. Is this really a professional team sport? If not maybe it should be in prose. I'm rather confused by this entry which seems to mix stock car and motorcycle racing into one thing. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:16, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the name of the article on Block E/Mayo Clinic Square at Talk:Mayo_Clinic_Square#Requested_move_13_July_2019. Feel free to contribute. Kablammo (talk) 02:05, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
@Magnolia677:, we seem to have radically different views of images. Let's see if we can reach an agreement on this one. From your last edit summary: * Please discuss why this image needs to be in the article.
* Decorative image per MOS:IMAGES. Kindly point to the precise part of the Manual of Style that would exclude this image? The word decorative only appears once in MOS:IMAGES. "Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative. They are often an important illustrative aid to understanding." Without his portrait and its caption, the reader could be unaware that Little Crow and others exchanged their land with settlers for money (millions of dollars and five per cent interest). When the U.S. reneged on the deal, war resulted, as described briefly in the prose. Also as described in the prose, Minneapolis was the birthplace of the American Indian Movement. Therefore this image is an aid to understanding.
* This person could be added to 100's of articles which used to be Indian lands. Perhaps so. Minneapolis is, however, the largest and most notable settlement in the region to date.
* This person's article doesn't mention Minneapolis Well then maybe you will edit his article someday to improve it.
* and the source cited doesn't mention Minneapolis The source cited describes the land ceded in detail. Of course it doesn't mention Minneapolis which did not exist. And would not have existed without the treaties. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:55, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 18:22, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
There is no consensus in the RfC.
Several drafts of the text were introduced later in the discussion. Few RfC participants commented on the later drafts, so it is not possible to determine whether there is a consensus to adopt any of them.
I recommend choosing one or two of the proposed texts to discuss at a new RfC.
Cunard (talk) 08:26, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Do Native Americans belong in the History section? Specifically I would like to know if Little Crow and the section name and history should remain or be deleted. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:32, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
The Anurag Art Foundry claims there is no specific correlation between NoiseCat's subject matter and the site. Anurag Art Foundry, email, November 2006.[1]
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Dakota Sioux were the region's sole residents when French explorers arrived in 1680. After the Revolutionary War, Great Britain granted the land east of the Mississippi to the United States; in the early 19th century, the United States acquired land to the west from France in the Louisiana Purchase. Fort Snelling, just south of present-day Minneapolis, was built in 1819 by the United States Army. It attracted traders, settlers and merchants, spurring growth in the area. The surrounding area was ceded to the United States in 1851 with the Treaty of Traverse des Sioux. The Minnesota Territorial Legislature authorized Minneapolis as a town in 1856, on the Mississippi's west bank. Minneapolis incorporated as a city in 1867, the year rail service began between Minneapolis and Chicago. It later joined with the east-bank city of St. Anthony in 1872.
This would retain a brief history of the land without delving into detail that is best left in more specific articles.
Little Crow's picture should not be included. The caption even stated he was only one of 121 leaders to have been involved with ceding the land, so it would appear to be a decorative image of someone whose pertinence to this particular article is marginal. I agree with Magnolia677's rationale for removal. --Sable232 (talk) 23:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Making some progress. The following is in flux and re-edited. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:59, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Dakota natives, city founded
Dakota Sioux were the region's sole residents when French explorers arrived in 1680. Called a "proud, confident and resourceful" people,[1] Dakota moved according to the seasons, hunting beaver, marten, mink, and fox; fishing; and gathering berries, wild rice, nuts, and maple sugar.[1] They knew of the Europeans, and welcomed them.[1] Amicable relations developed based around trade for fur in exchange for iron pots, knives, and blankets. Gradually, more European-American settlers arrived, competing for game and other resources with the Native Americans. After the Revolutionary War, Great Britain granted the land east of the Mississippi to the United States. In the early 19th century, the United States acquired land to the west from France in the Louisiana Purchase. Fort Snelling was built in 1819 by the U.S. army at the southern edge of present-day Minneapolis and also bordering Saint Paul as the U.S. military's most remote outpost,[2] to direct Indian trade away from the French and English to the U.S., and to prevent the Dakota and Ojibwe in the north from fighting each other (tensions provoked by French arms sales).[1] The fort attracted traders, settlers and merchants, spurring growth. Agents of the St. Peters Indian Agency built at Fort Snelling enforced U.S. policy of assimilating Native Americans into European-American society, asking them to give up hunting for subsistence and to learn to plow for cultivation.[3] The U.S. government pressed the Dakota to sell their land which was ceded in a succession of treaties. The U.S. reneged on the treaties after the Civil War, which resulted in hunger, war, internment, and hardship for the Dakota, who were eventually forced out of Minnesota to other states. The Minnesota Territorial Legislature authorized Minneapolis as a town in 1856, on the Mississippi's west bank. Minneapolis incorporated as a city in 1867, the year rail service began between Minneapolis and Chicago. It later joined with the east-bank city of St. Anthony in 1872.[4]
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Dakota natives, city founded
Dakota Sioux were the region's sole residents when French explorers arrived in 1680. Gradually, more European-American settlers arrived, competing for game and other resources with the Native Americans. After the Revolutionary War, Great Britain granted the land east of the Mississippi to the United States. In the early 19th century, the United States acquired land to the west from France in the Louisiana Purchase. Fort Snelling was built in 1819 by the U.S. army at the southern edge of present-day Minneapolis and also bordering Saint Paul as the U.S. military's most remote outpost,[1] to direct Indian trade away from the French and English to the U.S., and to prevent the Dakota and Ojibwe in the north from fighting each other.[2] The fort attracted traders, settlers and merchants, spurring growth. Agents of the St. Peters Indian Agency built at Fort Snelling enforced U.S. policy of assimilating Native Americans into European-American society, asking them to give up hunting for subsistence and to learn to plow for cultivation.[3] The U.S. government pressed the Dakota to sell their land which was ceded in a succession of treaties. The U.S. reneged on the treaties in a series of events leading up to the Dakota War of 1862.
Franklin Steele and John H. Stevens should be mentioned here; see the History of Minneapolis article Also mention how Charles Hoag suggested the name of the city
The Minnesota Territorial Legislature authorized Minneapolis as a town in 1856, on the Mississippi's west bank. Minneapolis incorporated as a city in 1867 and later joined with the east-bank city of St. Anthony in 1872.[4]
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Also note that the US reneged on the treaties around 1862, leading to the Dakota War of 1862. That wasn't after the Civil War, it was during it.
This is my suggestion; feel free to revise it if you want. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:46, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Dakota natives, city founded
Dakota Sioux were the region's sole residents when French explorers arrived in 1680. Gradually, more European-American settlers arrived, competing for game and other resources with the Native Americans. After the Revolutionary War, Great Britain granted the land east of the Mississippi to the United States. In the early 19th century, the United States acquired land to the west from France in the Louisiana Purchase. Fort Snelling was built in 1819 by the U.S. army at the southern edge of present-day Minneapolis and also bordering Saint Paul as the U.S. military's most remote outpost,[1] to direct Indian trade away from the French and English to the U.S., and to prevent the Dakota and Ojibwe in the north from fighting each other.[2] The fort attracted traders, settlers and merchants, spurring growth. Agents of the St. Peters Indian Agency built at the fort enforced U.S. policy of assimilating Native Americans into European-American society, asking them to give up hunting for subsistence and to learn to plow for cultivation.[3] The U.S. government pressed the Dakota to sell their land which was ceded in a succession of treaties. The U.S. reneged on the treaties during the Civil War, resulting in hunger, war, internment, and exile of the Dakota from Minnesota. Outwitting the fort's commandant, Franklin Steele laid his claim on the east bank of Saint Anthony Falls,[2] and John H. Stevens built his home on the west bank.[4] The Minnesota Territorial Legislature authorized Minneapolis as a town in 1856, on the Mississippi's west bank. Minneapolis incorporated as a city in 1867 and later joined with the east-bank city of St. Anthony in 1872.[5]
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Well, before the Dakota living in what today is Minneapolis, the Cheyenne were the tribe that lived there, only to be pushed westward by the Dakota, and then with the Indian termination policy, this forced many Ojibwe to the Twin Cities area with Native populations originally in Beltrami and Near North neighbourhood, and eventually coalescing in the Phillips Communities. So, with that said, the Cheyenne and the Dakota should be mentioned in connection Minneapolis' pre-history (to set up the founding basis of the City) and early history. There should be a mention of how Main St. originally was portage-way to by-pass Saint Anthony Falls (there is a painting of it somewhere), and there should also be a mention of Spirit Island, and then with the growth of the mills, the Spirit Island was quarried away. The Native history in Minneapolis from that point until to the start of the Second World War should be silent. But with the industrial productions during the war, and then with the Indian termination policy after the War and lasting into the mid-1960s, the native influx back into Minneapolis should be mentioned.
But definitely in the pre-history portion of the City of Minneapolis' history the geographical significance of Bde Mka Ska, Lake of the Isles, Cedar Lake, Bassett Creek, Fawn Falls, Pikes Island, Spirit Island, St. Anthony Falls, Loring Lake, Minnehaha Creek and Falls, Cold-water Springs, and the birthplace of the Dakhota Nation definitely needs to be mentioned, along with Zebulon Pike expedition, the 1805 Treaty of St. Peters, founding of Fort Snelling, and then the establishment of the City. CJLippert (talk) 20:31, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
The consensus is to use File:Sylvia Fowles (34) puts the ball up as she's guarded by Myisha HInes-Allen (2).jpg.
Extended rationale: This RfC had three participants. SusanLesch supported using a photo of Maya Moore. Magnolia677 suggested using File:Sylvia Fowles (34) puts the ball up as she's guarded by Myisha HInes-Allen (2).jpg since it has "more emphasis on the city's team and stadium and less emphasis on one personality". Bagumba wrote, "my criteria would be reliable sources that describe a person as being synonymous with the city". SusanLesch agreed with this rubric and supported using the image suggested by Magnolia677.
Cunard (talk) 08:27, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Does Maya Moore's photo belong in the article Minneapolis? A native of Missouri, she is a highly celebrated athlete playing in Minneapolis (Sports Illustrated created a new award for her) and is currently on sabbatical. Or does Wikipedia believe Tom Brady would be out of place in the Boston article because he was born in California? Thank you. -21:27, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
@SusanLesch: I visited Minneapolis about five years ago, and I distinctly recall when I touched down at the airport my pilot NOT announcing "ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Minneapolis–Saint Paul, home of Prince and Maya Moore". In my four days visiting the city (mostly on business), not once did anyone--not one person--mention the names "Prince" or "Maya Moore". I met some of the friendliest people you will find anywhere in the United States; down-to-earth people who were proud of their city and its accomplishments, but none of them seemed to define their city by a rock star or a pro-athlete (who isn't even from Minneapolis). So when I suggest this article feature a photo showing Minneapolis fans enjoying the Lynx playing at Target Center, you respond that the photo shows "the wrong person". What difference does it make which Lynx players are in the photo? The photo is not intended to show one person, it is intended to show a Minneapolis team playing at a Minneapolis sports venue. Again, this article is about Minneapolis, not Maya Moore (she has her own article). I do not understand your insistence that a close-up of Maya Moore is a better representation of Minneapolis than a photo of the city's sports fans enjoying a game. Minneapolis has much to be proud of without glamorizing any one person. I know you have personally invited many Minnesota editors to this talk page, and I have my fingers crossed that some of them appreciate that Minneapolis is more than Prince or Maya Moore. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:56, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Checking back here since my last comment. Moore is accomplished, but my criteria would be reliable sources that describe a person as being synonymous with the city. I'm removing this from my watchlist, so ping me if any further input is needed from me.—Bagumba (talk) 07:02, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
There is a rough consensus that an image of Prince is appropriate and relevant for the article because he has had a major impact on Minneapolis and is closely associated with the city.
The "remove image" argument was compelling and well explained but was unable to convince the RfC participants who largely supported retaining the image.
Cunard (talk) 08:27, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
A photo of Prince was recently deleted because he is "dancing in Ireland." The replacement image is up for deletion. First, know that free photos of Prince are almost non-existent: you can see in the Commons and The National Law Review that Prince "fiercely protected his image." Second, the caption refers to Prince as a student at the Minnesota Dance Theatre, and the photo reflects Prince's theatrical and dance abilities. Does Wikipedia believe that the location disqualifies this photo from the Minneapolis article? Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:10, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
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As an example, either of these two photos would be more relevant to the St. Louis article (my caption):
It appears every editor who has commented except Magnolia agrees the photo of Prince is justified. Based on that, I am restoring the status quo ante while discussion continues. Jonathunder (talk) 20:10, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
It is difficult to follow this page, but one thing is clear: An image of Prince unequivocally belongs on the page. His impact has been enormous, and he created the Minneapolis sound. I am glad to see an image of him on the article, and it does not matter one bit whether an photograph of a person was taken somewhere else. The purpose is to show an individual, not a geographic location. Kablammo (talk) 20:15, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
If the article was specifically on Prince, or about Paisley Park Records or Studio, or an article specifically on the Minneapolis sound, I can see the justification of the use of Prince's image. However, Minneapolis is far bigger than Prince, his music, or his operation. If one is going to connect Minneapolis to the Minneapolis Sound, perhaps the album cover of a typical Minneapolis Sound piece should be on the Minneapolis article page near the wikilink to the Minneapolis Sound. CJLippert (talk) 19:49, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Should the Dakota people, as in this text, be in Minneapolis history? In December they were "Removed out-of-scope text regarding a general history of mid-West which is not specific to Minneapolis". Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Main St, Minneapolis was where the old St. Anthony Portage was. Here is a painting by George Catlin depicting part of the Portage.
Where Indigenous and Settler Histories converge on in the Twin Cities revolve around Saint Anthony Falls and the Mississippi-Minnesota rivers confluence. So, if those those features are kept as central themes, everything else should fall in place, structurally, for the article. And we already have good articles for these features already. By having these features mentioned on the economic importance to the Dakota, Ojibwe, and the Settlers, done right, it should convince people why the Twin Cities played, and still plays, an important role to the region. CJLippert (talk) 00:01, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
In accordance with this discussion I have restored the prior version. Kablammo (talk) 15:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
If the matter under discussion is not contentious and the consensus is obvious to the participants, then formal closure is neither necessary nor advisable. Written closing statements are not required. Editors are expected to be able to evaluate and agree upon the results of most RfCs without outside assistance.
This photo was removed last December because "removed decorative image of the lobby of The Minneapolis Foundation". I have many other subjects to write about ahead of it in line. Still they contribute to all kinds of people during the Covid-19 pandemic. I don't see any reason other than Magnolia's personal preference for this photo to be removed. Comments? -SusanLesch (talk) 18:51, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@Nkon21: Greetings. Wikipedia can't use the Spoonbridge and Cherry sculpture in a photo because the United States does not have freedom of panorama for sculptures, only buildings. It's a copyrighted work. See Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#Situation_in_different_countries. That said, it's not important to Minneapolis. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:52, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Another picture was removed in December by this edit. Pamela Espeland of MinnPost chose it this morning for her article about virtual museum tours including its owner, the Minneapolis Institute of Art. Are there any opinions here on whether it can be restored? -SusanLesch (talk) 21:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
What does this mean? Does "Hennepin County" mean the local government? What does "contributed to replacing" mean? Was the city named after Longfellow's character? Or the Dakota word? How did it change to its current form?--Jack Upland (talk) 05:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
[P.S. @Bobamnertiopsis: For safe keeping in the archive in case anybody needs to go through all this again, this version has individual citations. They were too hard to parse so they are combined in the article. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:21, 18 August 2020 (UTC)]
Hi! Several wikies use the image on the right, and it has a dragon (???) on it. Could you help me: is it a vandal image or what? Wikisaurus (talk) 21:45, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Unanonymously rejected, closing early per WP:SNOW. No such user (talk) 08:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Minneapolis → Minneapolis, Minnesota – I think guidelines for naming the US cities shall be revised. Cities can be naming as just <city> without state disambiguator per AP Stylebook. But for me, the guideline need to be revised with the cities can be naming as just <city> if the population is more than 500,000. Any cities that have population less than 500,000 shall be formatted as <city, state> unless there are few examples. 180.249.244.242 (talk) 11:04, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Template:Cite_magazine says for publisher "Not normally used for periodicals" Template:Cite_web says for publisher parameter "Not normally used for periodicals" Kaltenmeyer (talk) 23:40, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone here help write up the effect of the COVID pandemic on schools? On sports? On First Avenue? -SusanLesch (talk) 20:40, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone here say what is necessary to say in the first paragraph? WP:USCITIES asks only for city proper and metro area populations. I cannot figure out any significance in this maze, except that somebody is trying very hard to be the largest something. Currently:
Used to also say:
I am about to remove most of these claims as unsourced unless someone defends them. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:46, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Here is a new paragraph one. Look all right? Looking at other featured articles, afraid we're stuck stumbling over metro areas and combined statistical areas. Like Boston. Plus this is the Twin Cities. Grand Forks, North Dakota is the only other one with a twin city. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Minneapolis (/ˌmɪniˈæpəlɪs/ ⓘ) is the most populous city in the US state of Minnesota and the seat of Hennepin County.[1] With an estimated population of 429,606 as of 2019, it is the 46th most populous city in the US.[2] Seven counties encompassing Minneapolis and its neighbor Saint Paul are known as the Twin Cities region.[3] In 2019, those counties are among sixteen making up the Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington MN–WI metropolitan area of 3.6 million, and twenty-two making up the combined statistical area of 4 million.[4]
"Key Findings". MN State Demographic Center. and "NACo County Explorer: Hennepin County, MN". National Association of Counties. Retrieved December 21, 2020. "City and Town Population Totals: 2010-2019". US Census Bureau. Retrieved December 21, 2020. "Seven-county Twin Cities region surpassed 3 million people in 2015" (Press release). MN State Demographic Center. March 24, 2016. Retrieved December 22, 2020. "Revised Delineations of Metropolitan Statistical Areas, Micropolitan Statistical Areas, and Combined Statistical Areas, and Guidance on Uses of the Delineations of These Areas" (PDF). Office of Management and Budget. February 28, 2013. and "Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas Population Totals and Components of Change: 2010-2019". US Census Bureau. Retrieved December 23, 2020.
I feel that the Minnehaha Falls video is a poor choice. We have so many good photos to chose from rather than use this video of the 2013 flooding which does not really represent the tranquil nature of the falls, creek, and surrounding area. This one, for example, would be an improvement. Gandydancer (talk) 02:29, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Citation templates have changed since ~15 years ago, so I am probably in error. Sandy explicitly asked above for: "Citations: all websites need a publisher, an accessdate, and a date and author when one is available." So Collin forgive the questions please. What did we gain from the following changes?
publisher=Bring Me The News (Maven) changed to work=Bring Me the News
publisher=City Pages changed to: work=City Pages
but why change only once? We have seven more uses of City Pages, all "newspaper." Old uses should say Village Voice and new ones are Star Tribune.
author=Uren, Adam changed to last1=Uren|first1= Adam
What model are you following? Is this necessary? I will learn whatever I have to learn. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
We should clarify the origin of Saint Anthony Falls. Glacial River Warren cut the valley of the Minnesota River and the Upper Mississippi below Fort Snelling. It did not flow over Saint Anthony Falls. It did flow over River Warren Falls near present-day downtown St. Paul. Those falls migrated upstream as the softer rock below the river bed was undercut. When the falls reached the Mississippi, they continued to migrate upstream on both the present-day Minnesota and Mississippi rivers. (On the Mississippi, it split at Minnehaha Park where the veteran's home is now, and then rejoined, leaving behind the present Minnehaha Falls.) St. Anthony Falls is a relic of that process, but was not itself created by River Warren. Kablammo (talk) 22:51, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Fed for a time by the waters of a receding glacier, River Warren Falls moved slowly upstream and became the Mississippi river's only waterfall, Saint Anthony Falls, important to the early settlers of Minneapolis.[1]
Take two
The history and economic growth of Minneapolis are tied to water, the city's defining physical characteristic, which was brought to the region during the last ice age ten thousand years ago. Ice blocks deposited in valleys by retreating glaciers created the lakes of Minneapolis.[2] Fed by a receding glacier and Lake Agassiz, torrents of water from a glacial river created River Warren Falls eventually becoming the Mississippi river's only waterfall, Saint Anthony Falls, important to the early settlers of Minneapolis.[3][4]
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has generic name (help)Maybe you would correct this timeline, Kablammo.
Somewhere in here the River Warren lost its force because Agassiz drained elsewhere. Anyway, is St Anthony Falls not a remnant of River Warren Falls? -SusanLesch (talk) 14:59, 15 November 2020 (UTC) The park service says the power I'm looking for was also Lake Agassiz. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
According to Dr. Wright, River Warren Falls ceased to exist a few kilometers upstream from Fort Snelling (on Glacial River Warren/Minnesota River?) in a valley south of Bde Maka Ska in Minneapolis. A tributary waterfall, St Anthony Falls, was created at Fort Snelling and traveled upstream on the Mississippi where it split off Minnehaha Falls, and again split at Hennepin Island. So the force that created (i.e., the impetus for the initiation of) St Anthony Falls was River Warren Falls (they were not identical). Still unexplained, however, is what moved St Anthony Falls upstream from Fort Snelling to the site of Minneapolis?[1] Why on earth can't this answer be found anywhere in Wikipedia? I have consulted Glacial River Warren, River Warren Falls, Lake Agassiz, Mississippi River, Glacial history of Minnesota and others. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:02, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
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: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)Susan, River Warren did not flow through what is now Minneapolis. It kept to the present valley of the Minnesota and the Mississippi below Fort Snelling. Outside of the southeast, the present topography (shown on the accompanying image) is a product of the last glacial period. The Mississippi was a small stream above Minneapolis. It was not fed by Lake Agassiz; the drainage of that lake did not cross the moraine into the Mississipi's watershed at the time. (It did of course cross the moraine into the present watershed of the Mississippi—the Minnesota River.) The relief map to the right shows that there is no low place where Agassiz could have drained into the Mississippi above the Twin Cities.
The Mississippi was fed by the Cloquet River for a time through Glacial Lakes Upham and Aitkin (where Big Sandy Lake is now), and as mentioned above from the present course of the Saint Croix to the Mississippi at Prescott, Wisconsin, but its volume above Fort Snelling did not approach that of River Warren.
But the geological processes which created the Falls of Saint Anthony and Minnehaha Falls are the same which created River Warren Falls-- the undercutting of softer rock underneath a cap of harder limestone. And those two present falls exist because of their parent in the Warren falls. Kablammo (talk) 21:26, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Gentlemen I can accept it was River Warren that created St. Anthony Falls, but still can't understand what moved it. The Mississippi doesn't show on Kablammo's map above Minneapolis. The confluence of the Minnesota and Mississippi is maybe 10 miles away from St. Paul which is another maybe 20 miles away from Prescott, Wisconsin, and the St. Croix River. The Cloquet is not a huge river, and I can't find very much additional power coming from other Mississippi tributaries (Rum River, Crow River). The St. Croix River looks like the biggest but it joins the Mississippi south of St. Paul so I don't think it was involved. Very roughly:
-SusanLesch (talk) 17:15, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
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Can this be archived now, to get a look at where other issues stand re: Featured article review? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:18, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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