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If there is an interest in including some Pipa a'ha macave words and phrases, I could add some.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertphile (talk • contribs) 20:59, 6 July 2003
When I wrote this page (a long time ago) I had a dearth of time on my hands. I note that a request to "clean up" the article and "conform to a higher standard" is noted on the page. I have the time and documents to do so, but not the inclination to do so.... at least not at the moment. What I researched over the last 15 years on the subject is not easily rendered back into reference footnotes.
There are two Macave--- the Fort Mohave and the Mojave. My original entry noted this fact: where did it go?
-- Desertphile, 2005May30
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.22 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Mojave people → Mohave Mohave Is the correct term, and was where this page was originally at. --Hottentot 21:01, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Moving back to Mojave and Mojave to dab page. If consensus is for Mojave and Mojave (people) you can do that yourselves too. Rich Farmbrough 00:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Please note that Mohave and Mojave are both correct; when Fort Mohave was built and the Mohave reservation created, southern Macaves followed the advice of their Head Men (such as Chooksa homar and Yara tav) and relocated to the reservation. Northern Macaves resisted the reservation and are generally referred to as the Mojaves.
I am a bit ashamed of myself for having ignored this page for an entire year (to the day) without making the changed and additions I had promissed myself I would do. It has been mere laziness on my part.
--Desertphile 2006-May-30
Welp, jumping right in, here is a major expansion/rewrite, with much left to be done. I subheaded much of the Devereaux material from the SOUTHWEST MUSEUM LEAFLETS brochure, online at (which I think is desertphile's website) and while there is some content there which could (and perhaps should) be reworked and reintegrated, I'm not for its inclusion wholesale. I am of the opinion that a link to that material would be adequate. The content is largely very dated and pretty trite, again, my opinion, especially when the page prominently displays an image of a photo of a semi-nude woman. By the way, who is young Judith, when was the photo taken, and is she (or her family) game to have her image shown in this way? Not taking a prudish standpoint, more one of respect and deference. Also, noting the prior brief discussion but protracted switch, back & forth from mojave to mohave, etc., I want to ring in on that. It should be Aha Macave, according to Aha Macave elders. What's anyone think about changing at the very least, the tribal page, to reflect the correct name as the title of the page, with perhaps redirects from various misspellings? I tried to address this matter actually, in the text of the article. Duff 02:01, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Peace brothers. Let the dogpile begin. -Duff 02:01, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
While this is an impressively detailed article, I have to note that it seems based almost entirely on old records. Almost none of the sources are more recent than the 1960s and many are much older. So when it talks about whether they smoke or chew tobacco, this is a historical and anthropological observation many decades old, not remotely current. References to their religious beliefs are in past tense, as if none of them remain today. This is not clear in the article. The whole article reads like a historical treatise about an extinct culture. There must be more current information than these documents.
And not to put too fine a point on it, there needs to be a more WP:NPOV tone to it. The attitudes about the people embodied currently seem distinctly distilled from rather racist assumptions from the original source documents. It would also benefit from more inline citations rather than the big pile of refs at the end which make it difficult to source accurately. Cheers, Pigman☿ 05:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
The Mohave did have a wonderous appetite for ariel. They shared it when unweary guests were visiting.
What is "ariel"? In our Ariel disambiguation page, the only thing that could be considered food is Dorcas Gazelle, which is only in the middle east. Dictionary.com gives a few other ariel animals: a "squirrel-like Australian marsupial", a "beautiful Brazilian toucan", and the "ariel petrel" (which I couldn't find any information on, but petrels are mostly southern hemisphere). I think maybe this line (added here) may have been vandalism. I'll remove it unless anyone knows what "ariel" is referring to? -kotra (talk) 18:51, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I just want to note that the etymology of Mohave < hamook habi is certainly older than the 1917 handbook referred to in the article. It was apparently the accepted interpretation of that name in 1886, featuring in J.P. Dunn's Massacres of the mountains of that year. Zwart (talk) 22:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
This was the top —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.21.79.108 (talk) 01:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Most of the content from "Culture" through the end of the article is copied verbatim from SOUTHWEST MUSEUM LEAFLETS, Number 22, "MOHAVE ETIQUETTE" BY GEORGE DEVEREUX, published by SOUTHWEST MUSEUM HIGHLAND PARK, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90042. He footnotes his own pamphlet from his articles, but this is clearly a violation of Wikipedia policy to present this way. I am deleting the material.Parkwells (talk) 01:29, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
I moved a little overly specific info from the lead (about the tribe headquarters, etc) to a current status subsection. It was too specific to a particular part of the article (i.e. the semi-related details about the organization of tribes to which the Mojave belong) to be in the lead.12.11.127.253 (talk) 20:12, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Whilst both spellings appear to be acceptable, it's strange for both variations to appear throughout the article, switching back and forth depending on the section. It would make sense to settle on one to use consistently here, wouldn't it? 80.193.25.91 (talk) 22:15, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
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