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This is a very poor page considering the importance of Tillerson in sustaining anti AGW propaganda regardless of whether you consider this activity good or bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BillO'Slatter (talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson says fears about climate change, drilling and energy dependence are overblown.[1][2]
from Council on Foreign Relations speech The New North American Energy Paradigm: Reshaping the Future June 27, 2012 The Tennessean
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99.181.137.23 (talk) 04:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I reverted this edit, but some of the content might be worth including? Candleabracadabra (talk) 02:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes. Why are these FACTS not included on this page? This person is in charge of an organization whose damage to the planet is intentional and well-documented -- those facts are not POV, they are true. And yet he doesn't have to follow the rules, such as how long speakers at his Town Council may talk, because he is above the rules? Some Boy Scout here!
As written, this one-sided hagiography does not fairly represent who this public figure is. A "Criticism" or "Controversy" subsection is much needed. I don't have ExxonMobil's money and time to come back here and erase such things regularly, so I request that the Wikipedia editors make this page more representative of its subject and disallow any more fawning accolades of this criminal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnpdeever (talk • contribs) 13:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I was gonna start a thread on his wikipedia page, concerning Tex Tillerson duplicate internet pages, for instance on Facebook, that have clearly been manufactured by sombuddy else than Rex, or authorized by him to ghost writers. Some pages that are somehow in some ways claiming to be written by Rex Tillerson himself. The wikipedia biography pages of a person are known, at least somewhat, as written by other people, they are biographical as opposed to autobiographies, altho there have been a few 'incidents' were there are claims that the actual person has been dominating the wikipedia page about themselves, or have hired others to do so, or simply have 'devoted people' that do som without any real impetus from the actual person. Anyways, i think Rex, or other famous people, or controversial people, that most of them would be fine with other, unauthorized, folks writing up internet pages about them, be they pro or con pages, or muddy middle perspectives. However, may it be wise to have Rex's, or other folks' pages that are in this situation, somehow the biography page or authorized autobiographies, certified as written or authorized by them, so readers have some idea of who is who, and what the actual person is saying or authorizing another person or team to say?
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RE: "Tillerson will reach Exxon’s mandatory retirement age of 65 in March 2017". Is this statement accurate as the previous CEO retired at 67? Also, is not a mandatory retirement age considered, under US law, discriminatory save for some government positions? 70.71.55.58 (talk) 21:20, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
RE: "Tillerson will reach Exxon’s mandatory retirement age of 65 in March 2017". Is this statement accurate as the previous CEO retired at 67? Also, is not a mandatory retirement age considered, under US law, discriminatory save for some government positions?
Should the medal illustrate this article? To the best of my knowledge this is the only medal he's been given, and furthermore it is noted in the infobox. kencf0618 (talk) 00:28, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
I deleted the section on "Gay Rights", which was apparently added yesterday. It stated, "Tillerson served as president of the Boy Scouts of America from 2010 to 2012, at the time that the delegates voted to allow openly gay youths to join their troops and earn their merit badges. After the vote took place, Tillerson led the Boy Scouts to implement the change." The vote did not occur during Tillerson's term as president. His term ended in mid-2012 and the vote in question took place in May 2013, with the change effective Jan. 1, 2014. (See Boy Scouts of America membership controversies.) Two sources are cited in this section. The first, from the "Dallas News", does not actually say Tillerson was president when this change was made. It is an article from 2014 and says the change was made "last year" (2013) and that Tillerson was president 2010-2012, all of which is correct, meaning he was not president at the time of the vote. The other article, from USA Today, merely cites the Dallas News article, and cites it incorrectly, for the proposition that Tillerson was president at the time of the vote. Tillerson was still a member of the National Executive Board (according to the USA Today article) and it was apparently in this capacity that he made the speech about the newly-adopted policy that is reported in the Dallas News article. The Dallas News article says that he did support the new policy, but it quotes one person with what I think is a rather simplistic statement about a complicated issue, so I think other sources should be found before anything is said on Tillerson's view of this subject. I don't think this is necessarily the time and place for a discussion of the complexities of this issue, but if anyone really thinks something should be re-added about this subject, we can have the discussion. Neutron (talk) 21:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
... Nonetheless, Tillerson was instrumental in lobbying the Scouts’ board to accept openly gay youths, said John Hamre, president of the Washington think tank Center for Strategic and International Studies, of which Tillerson is a board member.
“I can’t get into the intimacy of these conversations. But he agonized over this. He prayed on it, and ultimately he came to the conclusion the only thing that can guide him here is what’s best for the young boys,” he said. “I think he became a key leader in helping the group come to a consensus.”
It must be highlighted that Tillerson is a Globalist who is part of the Globalist Centre for Strategic and International Studies. Kissinger, Brzezinski, Sam Nunn, Chuck Hagel have been associated with this Globalist organization.
This makes Trump's State Department merely a continuation of the existing Globalist Establishment under Obama.
Please add this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.5.187.119 (talk) 19:49, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
When should we delete this? Considering that he is now Secretary of State-Designate perhaps it is now an appropriate time, or it could be renamed as something else. Does anyone have any good ideas? Fritz1543 (talk) 21:35, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Not a regular wiki editor, but are the recent edits that highlight his Russian ties considered fair under NPOV? Specifically the edits on 10 December 2016 that include the three (at present) images of him at the Kremlin, whereas edits prior to 9 December 2016 did not emphasize the Russian ties so strongly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.204.97 (talk) 14:37, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
I COMPLETELY agree, editor Therequiembellishere is behaving in a WILDY inappropriate manor. Wikipedia is NOT to be used as a propaganda instrument; and yet he continues to push his agenda on the page. This type of behavior needs to stop or the beautiful creation that is wiki will be irreparably damaged. Whether you like Tillerson on not, there is factual data available on him and it extends beyond his ties to the Kremlin. I agree his ties to Putin are disturbing and should be mentioned though it should not consume the entire page. Else create a new page titled "Tillerson and Putin" Therequiembellishere
can anyone instruct me how to contact wikipedia to resolve this issue. Therequiembellishere needs to be stripped of his editor status — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjsulliv (talk • contribs) 14:20, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
I re-added the medal to the infobox since the removals came from an anonymous IP -- I'm not a frequent editor so won't object at all if I've made a mistake. (But I'd rather a logged in user removed it again if that's appropriate.) Thanlis (talk) 17:45, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
DO it. And I look forward to learning who these folks are. Carptrash (talk) 19:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
For some reason, I can’t post an edit, even though I am logged in. I have not been active for the past several years, so perhaps that is the problem. Would someone please replace the final sentence of the lede:
“He has previously been the director of a joint US-Russian oil company registered in the "tax haven of the Bahamas.[8][9]” With this:
“He served as a director of Exxon’s Russian subsidiary, Exxon Neftegas, from 1998 to 2006. Exxon Neftegas is registered in the Bahamas.”
This is a NPV presentation of the info in [9]. Thanks Ruffenready (talk) 16:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
The following has repeatedly been added:
However, that article does not attribute this to Tillerson, and the quote lacks context. Exxon is an enormous firm, there's no indication that this is a great success for Tillerson or for Exxon and there's no comparison wiht the previous CEO, so it is WP:UNDUE to add it here. He's no more responsible for that than he is for "a tumultuous period for his company, punctuated by a $1.7 billion loss in the second quarter and the loss of its AAA credit rating following the crushing global slide in oil prices." Guy (Help!) 13:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
I removed this section. That he was chair is covered above. The only other information in the section is "as revealed by the Guardian", but that's false: the Graun certainly thinks it revealed it, but it's wrong: the info has been in this article since it was created in 2006 William M. Connolley (talk) 17:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
And I've just removed some more (I'm pretty sure it is a dupe; if someone reverted my removal, I missed it). The text removed is:
The problem is, as explained above, that it is false; his directorship has been on wiki since forever. The Graun simply got it wrong (and no, just because the Graun is a WP:RS doesn't mean we have to include things it got wrong). The bit about "put America first" could be argued for inclusion if you like; I'd call it NN William M. Connolley (talk) 17:24, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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In Office: Preceded by Lee R. Raymond Succeeded by Darren Woods
NOT The boy scouts of America. TopCat6712 (talk) 07:02, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I removed:
Firstly, I don't think it is true. From the report itself The sales were conducted in 2003, 2004 and 2005 by Infineum, in which ExxonMobil owned a 50% share but RT didn't become CEO until 2006 (you could perhaps argue that as SVP he had some responsibility, but (a) no-one is arguing that and (b) you'd have to show it was in that area). Second, I'm not convinced this would belong in the lede even if true. Third, if it isn't to be anti-Tillerson, it ought to mention what the USA today does, ExxonMobil told USA TODAY the transactions were legal because Infineum, a joint venture with Shell Corporation, was based in Europe and the transactions did not involve any U.S. employees William M. Connolley (talk) 22:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
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As pointed out, Infineum, which is just as much a subsidiary of Royal Dutch Shell, is a UK-based (as in UK-registered and UK-headquartered) company, so whether the US has sanctions against Iran or any other country is of absolutely no relevance whatsoever for Infineum. This is pretty much a non-story, because there is nothing wrong in doing business with Iran, and the company hasn't done anything illegal. It is particularly hard to see the relevance of this in the lead of the biography of an individual who didn't even work for Infineum but only for a foreign company which happened to own shares in Infineum, and with no indication that he was personally involved in the projects in the question. Americans need to stop believing they can dictate what European companies do or that they have any authority whatsoever here. --Tataral (talk) 02:30, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
I think that once Tillerson is confirmed and has an official Department of State portrait, we should replace the current photo in the infobox with his official photo. CatcherStorm talk 12:41, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
We may have to semi-protect this article, as a mobile editor keeps changing Tillerson's predecessor from Shannon to Kerry. GoodDay (talk) 05:46, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
The original interpretation of the referenced donation to The Congregationalist said that Tillerson and his wife donated between $5000 and $10000 to his church in 2012. Not sure why that is worth noting. Later, the articles was changed to say that he gave the funds to his denomination. But, reading the details, it is accurate to say that he gave the donation to the magazine, which is a magazine of the denomination. The website indicates that supporting the magazine is a way of supporting the denomination. That detail aside, I question whether this is notable; nor, neutral, as there is not sufficient documentable information provided to put the donation into any context.
I propose that if there are no objections, that this detail is omitted from the article.
Comments? — ERcheck (talk) 00:22, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Quite a lot of this article appears odd to me, but I'll pick "Ties in Middle East" to start:
Does this really make sense? Exxon is a giant oil company, it is hardly surprising that it has ties in Saudi Arabia, and that appears to have little to do with RT. Our source for the statement says Several Gulf nations have had extensive dealings with Exxon, Handjani noted. “Exxon is the largest player in Qatar. It brought LNG to export and is the largest investor there. It pays the largest tax bill in Saudi Arabia. They are big players in Abu Dhabi.” Errm, and that's it or Saudi William M. Connolley (talk) 21:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
The article currently says
This seems dubious (the Graun is not noted for it's grasp of economics). Something somewhat more accurate, the NYT, says https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/business/rex-tillerson-exxon-secretary-of-state.html says "During his 41 years with Exxon, Mr. Tillerson has either accumulated or earned a right to receive more than two million shares he is not yet eligible to sell. All told, those are worth about $174 million at Exxon’s current share price". I don't know how to square that with http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/14/investing/exxon-mobil-rex-tillerson-stock/ which says "But Tillerson has already cashed in on his Exxon stake. He agreed to sell the more than 600,000 Exxon shares he owned after he was nominated. And last month, Exxon said it would not give him the 2 million shares he was due from the company over the next decade. Instead, the shares were sold and the proceeds -- about $180 million -- were placed in a blind trust."
http://news.exxonmobil.com/press-release/exxonmobil-tillerson-reach-agreement-comply-conflict-interest-requirements is perhaps more reliable. That confirms the sale of 600 k shares, and also the xfer of the "more than" 2M deferred shares. Exxon share price when this was discussed was ~$90, so $90 * 2.6M = $234 M. Which is scarily close the the Graun's value so (allowing for their lack of economic understanding) I think that confirms that their "Tillerson holds $245 million of Exxon stock" is wrong, and should have read (at time of publication) "Tillerson holds [600,000] $54 million of Exxon stock, and will be entitled to receive [2M] $180 million of Exxon shares over the next ten years" (though it would probably be better expressed in share numbers than $ value as those change) William M. Connolley (talk) 20:44, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
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The article currently says:
This appears to be heavily based on the AG's view, who is hardly neutral. Exxon themselves say otherwise: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tillerson-email-idUSKBN16L2QD William M. Connolley (talk) 16:26, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
This is believeable; he was speaking for Exxon. But we should go through and fix the others, too (e.g. "In 2010, Tillerson said that while he acknowledged that..." to Exxon acked...).
But then again, if we've now decided these are Exxon's corporate views, rather than Tillerson's personal ones, to what extent do they belong in his article? William M. Connolley (talk) 14:12, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
He married twice. Here information can be found. But I could not access the whole text. --Egeymi (talk) 20:54, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Which picture of Tillerson is better for the infobox? I think it's B because it looks like more like a official portrait. TexasMan34 (talk) 08:08, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
I think that that photo is better, more recent, and in high resolution, I'm in favor. TexasMan34 (talk) 04:51, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
I would argue in favor of the photograph showing the Secretary. It shows him in his official duties, in a neutral uncluttered background, and is public domain. It's a better fit for Wikipedia and for other use elsewhere. 64.134.174.253 (talk) 00:42, 13 April 2017 (UTC) 64.134.174.253 (talk) 00:42, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
It would appear that Tillerson's official portrait has now been released. Looks like we'll be using this now, unless we have major objections. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 17:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
There is absolutely no controversy section in this article, and I am surprised. Seems like a puff-piece/ whitewash article authored by his PR people.
This is a well documented controversy involving Tillerson - His NIMBY stance : personal involvement in a lawsuit against fracking in his backyard, while he was a CEO and officially supporting it. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/02/22/exxon-ceo-profits-huge-as-americas-largest-natural-gas-producer-but-frack-it-in-his-own-backyard-and-he-sues/2/#181d317d269a
There are also interesting controversies around Exxon's use of climate change research under his direction as CEO "[Exxon] had incorporated its research into its planning while publicly questioning the science of climate change and funding groups that denied serious climate risks" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/climate/exxon-global-warming-science-study.html
Why is none of this even touched on in this article, or even discussed on this talk page???2600:8800:7980:D870:3CE7:E8D7:D443:39CD (talk) 19:08, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Because "Secretary of State" does not fall under the section heading "Business career" as a subsection, I think it should be its own section heading. This is also how it was before today (November 13); because of this, I felt that it should be those who propose the change that start the talk page discussion. For your information, every recent Secretary of State (Powell, Rice, Clinton, Kerry) has a section heading exclusively for "Secretary of State", and for some (e.g., Clinton and Kerry) their tenures were arguably not the most important parts of their careers. What are the reasons for putting "Secretary of State" under "Business career"? Davey2116 (talk) 03:07, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
I have tried to put a little unofficial notice in, but I would like someone to lock it. This is as I believe it is prone to sabotage given the volatility of the Trump administration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:4E80:4100:5DC8:82A8:4E1B:4B82 (talk) 07:40, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Note that all of the presidents of the Boy Scouts following Tillerson have an infobox for it (Perry, Gates, and Stephenson). (I did not add them.) What are the reasons for removing Tillerson's infobox for that role? Davey2116 (talk) 03:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
I did not know the Rex Tillerson is still the Secretary of State until 31 March 2018 until I edited the end of term dates and my edit was reverted. So, for those of you who, like me, did not know that he was fired but he's really not fired yet, this is the situation.[1][2][3]
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has generic name (help)Mr. Tillerson said he planned to immediately step aside from his post, turning over all responsibilities by the end of the day to John J. Sullivan, the deputy secretary of state. During a short statement in a briefing room packed with reporters, Mr. Tillerson said he would end his service at midnight on March 31 ...
Although Mr Tillerson will not officially leave until 31 March, his deputy John Sullivan will take over running the state department pending the confirmation of Mr Pompeo.
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