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יניב הורון, MusenInvincible, would either of you care to provide reliable sources that say Iran is the only state that recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine? If not, the garbage in the footnote is going to be removed again. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:07, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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Have a look at the Status of Jerusalem article. The most central countries that recognize Jerusalem or East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine are Russia and China. Very few countries pass laws recognizing other countries, and much less their capital cities, however this does not mean they do not recognize. Recognition means treating something as a fact. --Dailycare (talk) 07:39, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
This wording is a bit strange. Aren't all sovereign states de jure, simply by virtue of being a state (a political entity)? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 13:12, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Why is the name of the article is "State of Palestine" and not "Palestine" as all other nations? SharabSalam (talk) 21:14, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
The title of this article is wrong palestine can't be considered as a state as long as the security Council of u.n hasn't voted it. another fake news in this article claiming that 4.6 million Tourists have visited in west bank is totally bullshit. How come 4.6 million tourists been to west bank while The official highest number of visitors for all times to Israel via Ben Gurion Airport in 2017 was 3.5 million tourists as you know israel is controlling all border passes and checkpoints in west bank. Another twisted claims is that the population of palestinans is about 4.8 millons its absolutely wrong the P.A counts the Arabs in east Jerusalem which is not in their territory.israel also counts them. P.A also counts those who left west bank for living in other place including the palestinan refugees of 1948 they even counts people who have passed away. This article is made up by propagandists for Palestinan authority — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.23.41 (talk) 10:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Why is it listed as 'partially' recognised? Its not really correct or necessary. And Why do you need to mention its status you don't do that with any country and besides, every one knows its a recognised state under occupation thats not fully independence and recognised by everyone
Kawhilaugh42 (talk) 01:14, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
The proclaimed capital of the SoP is "Jerusalem" - not East Jerusalem. Several edits have been made in the last months claiming the latter. This is incorrect and I will fix it shortly. ImTheIP (talk) 13:38, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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Change the number of U.N. members that recognize State of Palestine from 136 to 137 (from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine) Jacksonsdean (talk) 18:41, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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change:"The entirety of territory claimed by the State of Palestine has been occupied by Israel since the Six-Day War in 1967" to "The entirety of territory claimed by Palestinian national Authority has been occupied by Israel from Jordan as a result of self-defense at Six-Day War in 1967" 87.70.15.24 (talk) 18:02, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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Change "On 10 January 2015, the first Palestinian embassy in a western European country is open in Stockholm, Sweden." to "On 10 January 2015, the first Palestinian embassy in a western European country is opened in Stockholm, Sweden."
I think this is just a minor grammar fix. I may be wrong, it could be that "open" instead of "opened" is correct, but I feel like "opened" sounds right in this case. Matthew V. (talk) 16:56, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
The lede's first section claims that Palestine is a "de jure sovereign state", but the article it links to states that The PLO and Palestinian Authority claim that the State of Palestine is a sovereign state, a claim which has been recognised by most states, though the territory it claims is under the de facto and "de jure" control of Israel.
Even more confusing is the fact that Kosovo is listed as a "disputed territory" while it's recognized by roughly the same number of states as Palestine is. 13zmz13 (talk) 18:46, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Sovereign should be removed. De jure for that matter too. States are states when they are de jure states (meaning recognized by other states). Sovereignty however requires actually exercising control over the territory. Palestine is a state that is held entirely under Israeli occupation, meaning it exercises no sovereignty over its territory. nableezy - 19:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
"More importantly, a proclamation of independence, even with limited recognition subsequently, does not suffice to create a state.While statehood is no longer exclusively a factual matter, it is still dependent primarily on fulfilment of factual requisites, namely effective governmental control over a population in a specified territory". in Ronen, Yaël. "ICC jurisdiction over acts committed in the Gaza Strip: Article 12 (3) of the ICC Statute and non-state entities." Journal of International Criminal Justice 8.1 (2010): 3-27.. Icewhiz (talk) 07:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
"De jure soverign state" makes no sense. At best it's a tautological truism; all sovereign states are de jure sovereign states by virtue of being a sovereigng state. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 22:03, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Does John B. Quigley have a legal education? Do you? Scratch that last question, you are a random person on the internet and for all I know you could be anything from a monkey to Albert Einstein reincarnated. What you are, or I am, does not matter, what matters is the sources. Your opinion on the matter simply does not count here. Bring more sources and less condescension next time and maybe you might have a valid point here. nableezy - 14:19, 29 June 2019 (UTC)By the standard actually followed in the international community, Palestine would seem to meet the criteria for statehood, even considering the powers exercised by Israel as belligerent occupant.
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the section clarifying palestines status has no relevance; its status is pretty obvious, and this should be mentioned in the article content itself as opposed to in the country profile. In addition, there is a separate article that covers the legal status of palestine, as is there one covering that of the holy see and the legitimacy of israel, so i request that this section on status clarification be removed. In addition, it is objectively and factually incorrect to label it as "partially recognized" as over 70% of nations recognize it as compared to the far more trivial number of those who take the opposite position, which is less than 30%, so allow me to put out there that is more accurate to say it is partially unrecognized rather than partially recognized if mentioned at all. thank you and pleas carefully consider my request.
Lo meiin (talk) 15:47, 6 September 2019 (UTC) Lo meiin (talk) 15:47, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
My suggestion, given my extensive research on state recognition, is that Palestine possesses enough international recognition not to be given an outdated label "partially recognized" as since the early 2010s, it has been recognized by the majority of states across most continents and the United Nations. For this reason, I am specifically requesting that the status heading on the right hand country column be deleted entirely, as is the case in wiki pages covering other recognized nations of the world. Furthermore, My second request is to discuss palestines legal status within the article itself instead. Please, once again, consider my requests.
Lo meiin (talk) 23:30, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
These two sentences contradict each other (can not be true at the same time), as the Gaza Strip is not occupied by Israel:
and
--Mortense (talk) 10:40, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Should we really refer to Gaza City as Palestine's largest city, due to the fact it is controlled by Hamas. It seems kind of like referring to the largest city in North Korea as Seoul, because even though all of South Korea's territory is claimed by the North, the DPRK has zero political authority in the South. Jedistormtrooper0625 (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
The consensus is against removing the status description in Palestine's country profile.
Cunard (talk) 00:53, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
“Should the status description in Palestine’s country profile be removed or not?”
Lo meiin (talk) 20:35, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
First, you clearly have no political knowledge and probably failed your geography class
Two, as you said, this is already explained in the said article and is already included in the general info within this article, so there is no need to describe its status
Thank you and no offense intended Lo meiin (talk) 22:25, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
there is already two whole articles on israel's and palestines' recognition and this article itself already goes into detail about that in the foreign relation section, and the same is true about the state of israels page, so it is a completely unnecessary heading that could, in the most extreme case, be construed as POV. therefore, there is no need to state the "status".
Lo meiin (talk) 20:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Am I misreading the following sentence, or is it incorrect? "The entirety of territory claimed by the State of Palestine has been occupied by Israel since the Six-Day War in 1967." Israel is not occupying the Gaza Strip, a territory claimed by the Palestinian Authority. So the sentence is not accurate, right? Apologies if I'm misinterpreting it. GhostOfNoMeme (talk) 18:46, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I propose to merge Palestinian territories into State of Palestine. The claimed territory of the State of Palestine is the same territory described as the Palestinian territories.Selfstudier (talk) 15:23, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
“Palestine”, “State of Palestine”, “occupied Palestinian territory”: In this report the terms “Palestine”, the “State of Palestine” and “occupied Palestinian Territory” have been used interchangeably depending on context. Specifically the term “occupied Palestinian territory” refers as a whole to the geographical area of the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967.
Selfstudier (talk) 19:14, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Are you advising me not to edit a page?Selfstudier (talk) 15:36, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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The lead notes that the United Nations recognizes Palestinian statehood. To omit the fact that most major UN nations, i.e. United States, Germany, France, U.K., dispute statehood, is to present an unbalanced depiction in the lead. SharabSal'am has suggested that it is "POV" to note this in the lead. This is very curious because it so flatly fails to acknowledge basic tenets of WP:NPOV. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 18:36, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
@Selfstudier:, You have not raised a valid objection for your removal. BRD is not a process for you to abuse to keep article content out and push a POV in an article. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 14:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Question to both of you. What do sources say? Applying WP:NPOV to a I/P article is nearly impossible in some cases and this is one of them. Where NPOV cannot be applied, apply WP:RS. Personally I think that the fact there is no Palestinian state de-facto is being neglected and the article implies there is and was a state and that it has a government and population while in reality it exists only in documents and Palestinians will never call what they have a "State of Palestine" because they are occupied and have no state. But what I think doesn't matter more than what sources say. So does the sources say that it does imply recognition of statehood?--188.64.206.134 (talk) (Bolter21) 15:36, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
The whole discussion above reads like an orgy of WP:OR. To bring it back to actual Wikipedia policies, can I point out that it is flawed from the outset as it relies on a non-existent category, "major member states". In the absence of a UN-sourced classification of these supposed "major members states", the discussion is void. So no, we will not add this unsourced POV qualifier to the lead. Jeppiz (talk) 13:30, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Here is a short-hand list of prominent countries that have not recognized Palestine as a state.
None are currently noted in the lead. Presenting only information about states that recognize and omitting from the lead the above that don't creates an obvious unbalance. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 23:51, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Would it not be more accurate to name the article “Palestine (State)”? I understand the confusion because “Palestine” can also refer to a region or to the British Mandate (or perhaps even to Syria Palestina, the Roman province), but wouldn’t renaming the article “Palestine (State)” avoid seeming to take a side in the contentious debate regarding the status of Palestine? In my humble opinion it seems to me to represent Wikipedia’s neutrality best as well. Zarcademan123456 (talk) 09:57, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
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Please add this to the introduction of the page. All other country pages on Wikipedia have relevant history as to the people living there. Some of the information on the page of Palestine (region) should be merged on the page of State of Palestine. I have written down important and factual information with strong sources that should be mentioned on this page, they are below. These are the historical facts that should be mentioned on the introduction of the page. Failure to include these facts shows a bias stance by viewing Palestine as a conflict and not as a legitimate state with history. As I mentioned previously, all countries and states on Wikipedia recognized have history written down, it is only fair to have history written here as well in the introduction. I suggest adding the following: The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century BCE occupied a small area of land on the southern coast. The name was then revived by the Romans in the 2nd century CE in “Syria Palaestina”. This designated the southern portion of the province of Syria, and made its way then into Arabic, where it has been used to describe the region since the early Islamic era. The Mesolithic Period (Middle Stone Age) is best represented by a culture called Natufian, known from excavations at ʿAin Mallāha and Jericho. Evidence of the early phases of the Early Bronze Age comes mainly from Megiddo, Jericho, Tall al-Farʿah, Tel Bet Sheʾan, Khirbat al-Karak, and Ai . All these sites are in northern or central Palestine, and it was there that the Early Bronze Age towns seem to have developed. he Middle Bronze Age introduced the Canaanite culture as found by the Israelites on their entry into Palestine. The Middle Bronze Age (c. 2000–c. 1550 BCE) provides the background for the beginning of the story of the Hebrew Bible. There was no sharp break between the Middle and Late Bronze Age in Palestine. Among the invaders from the Aegean basin were the Philistines, who were to conquer much of the region of Palestine within a century and a half after their settlement in the southern coastal plain. Meanwhile, three other peoples were settling east of the Jordan River: the Edomites in the south, the Moabites east of the Dead Sea, and the Ammonites on the edge of the Syrian Desert east of Gilead. Considered by the Israelites as fellow Hebrews, these peoples had begun to settle down before the Israelite invasion, and they remained polytheists until the end of the Hebrew Bible period. In 132 the emperor Hadrian decided to build a Roman colony, Aelia Capitolina, on the site of Jerusalem. The successful unification of the Arabian peninsula starting in 622 under Islam by Abu Bakr resulted in the integration of Palestine under under Muslim rule in 636. The only site of Jerusalem was the first qibla for Muslim and is one of the holiest places in Islam. Under Ummayyad rule, the caliph ʿAbd al-Malik ibn Marwān (685–705) erected the Dome of the Rock in 691 on the site of the Temple of Solomon. The caliph’s son al-Walīd I (705–715) then rebuilt the Al-Aqṣa Mosque.
Thank you for taking the time to consider this edit. Thetruthseeker50 (talk) 18:15, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
For the comment above, you are right about the first fact. For the second, I don't agree. I am simply saying to add this under the State of Palestine as history of the people who have lived there for years.
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Please change "Total 6,020 km2" to "Total 26,990 km2"
Please change "Within an area of 6,020" to "Within an area of 26,990 km2"
The real area of State of Palestine (Historical Palestine) is 26,990 km2 NOT 6,020 km2
Please check: https://www.nationalia.info/profile/60/palestine it clearly says Gaza and "Israel" area is 26,990 km2 (Palestine historically)
Note: excuse my lack of experience in Wikipedia
Shqear (talk) 22:36, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
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template. Also, please provide reliable sources for your requested change. All edits to this topic area are required to be verifiable. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)~ImTheIP Israel applied its law, jurisdiction and administration to newly demarcated East Jerusalem immediately after the 1967 Six Day War Monosig (talk) 00:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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Hyperlink "Mandatory Palestine" in the second paragraph of the lead. ak47wong (talk) 15:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hey i looked at the palestine page and i noticed that they say that Palestine is recognized by the united nations and i request to change that because its false information, Palestine was never recognized by The United Nations. 84.229.66.143 (talk) 18:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
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Change "Muhfaza" to "Muhafazah" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MuhafazahItalic text Unicameral nado (talk) 03:42, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Hat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:198:3325:78C3:F078:6944:E93B (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia and Soviet Union dissolved before song was presented ¿Why this 3 countries were presented? EdUwUardo (talk) 00:26, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
EdUwUardo Berkhan Selama Varti Sarapetaru Hindumu Yakko EdUwUardo (talk) 00:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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The first sentence of the third paragraph in the lead section has awkward wording. Currently, it says, "On 15 November 1988, Yasser Arafat, Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), in Algiers proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine." It should instead say, "On 15 November 1988 in Algiers, Yasser Arafat, Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine." Momo824 (talk) 11:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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I think this sentence is inaccurate and best stricken: 'This article uses the terms "Palestine", "State of Palestine", "occupied Palestinian territory" (oPt or OPT) interchangeably depending on context." It was clear to me reading information in article above that a distinction between the terms was made, and using the terms interchangeably is not helpful, something one would hope editors and their editing policy would be careful about not doing. 107.77.208.130 (talk) 13:02, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
Admin, can you please update the anthem on the page, or please give me access to updating it. Thanks.. Johann Von Eckert (talk) 05:19, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
shouldn't en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine lead directly here? it would make more sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 246700Sarhan (talk • contribs) 16:14, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Palestine at present requires disambiguation, its a bit silly since it is a common name for SoP but some editors have strong opinions about these things. By all means use Palestine in an edit just don't link it or you end up at the dab page, use whichever of the links on the dab page is closest to what you want.Selfstudier (talk) 19:13, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/West Bank bantustans.Selfstudier (talk) 22:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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Any hyperpoliticized terms like “occupied” should be removed or replaced with “disputed.” Referring to parts of the West Bank as “occupied” is not in line with international legal standards and it therefore inaccurate. Leews832 (talk) 02:29, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ImTheIP (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
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Could someone revert this unexplained removal? Ramallah is indeed the administrative capital in the West Bank.--Watchlonly (talk) 22:50, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Jerusalem is the same name as I think Israel’s capital. Can I get any answers to this question pls?
Israel and Palestine both claim ownership of Jerusalem. Do some further reading into it and don't trust any one source. Penumbra01 (talk) 16:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Why doesn't this article mention that Palestine has not held any elections in the past several years? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 16AdityaG09 (talk • contribs) 10:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello there, The lede para mentions that “The entirety of territory claimed by the State of Palestine has been occupied since 1948, first by Egypt and Jordan...”
Although this is quite wrong. Egypt never occupied Jerusalem or the West Bank, and likewise, Jordan never occupied the Gaza Strip. So the claim that the entire territory claimed by Palestine was once occupied by Egypt is wrong (it only occupied Gaza Strip), and so is the claim referencing Jordan (it only occupied West Bank and Jerusalem ..never the Gaza Strip). Hopefully this can be changed immediately by deleting such a claim about Jordan and Egypt. Another matter, that runs along the same lines as the main issue, is that the term “occupation” for Egypt and Jordan is entirely different by a sky and ground margin compared to the same term applied to Israel’s actions. Egypt and Jordan were there in such areas without Palestinian opposition (nor is it claimed by them that the two engaged in occupation) and also did not settle its citizens in the territories their armies were in. They were there as part of a military campaign against Israel. This In my opinion gives a very wrong impression about the entire matter in general; it makes one to wrongly believe that the occupation engaged in by Jordan and Egypt was once done in the same manner and for similar reasons as the occupation by Israel.
I hope that such material can be reviewed and dealt with. It gives one the wrong impression in every aspect described. A deletion simply due to inaccurate information is something I put propose as I can’t fathom trying to amend such any other way in the lede para. The proper amend can be listed in the history. ThanksWatanWatan2020 (talk) 05:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
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Change Feyadeen to Fedayeen under national anthem. 2600:1700:10A0:F220:7511:8D99:2103:AC57 (talk) 08:10, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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Removing "Football in the United States" from sport section. Irrelevant information for the Palestinian page. BigGussy (talk) 23:25, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
Shall the wikipedia pages use "State of Palestine" or "Palestine" instead of some pages using "Palestinian" authority which implies autocracy, very limited recognition, and reminds of the expression "Islamic State"?
I think it lacks heavily of neutrality. I am not statuing on whether it should be recognised or not...however it seems very anglo-world/western to use this expression. Even more since it's an english wikipedia (thought most users are not from anglo world) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#/media/File:Palestine_recognition_only.svg
Most coountires seem to recognise it. And well the article calls itself it, state of palestine. And well UN recognition is also in it, in which all the countries are in. Anyway authority sounds different from "state" espeically in that context. State is also rather neutral.
Edit request: change the map to this so it reflects the de facto situation. -- 185.130.139.39 (talk) 10:53, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to recommend editing the following passage in the fourth paragraph of the lead thusly -
Defining, in the lead, one state by comparison to another state seems WP:POINTY and aberrant; i.e. (South Korea has a population of 51,709,098 (Japan's population is 125,410,000)). Further, this comparison is not mentioned in the body of the article making its appearance in the lead unreferenced and out of style. (To clarify, this is not an edit request, this is a point of discussion.) Chetsford (talk) 18:41, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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