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User:JesseRafe has been helping trim the list of non-notable entries, which I appreciate. However, they also have challenged my rather long-standing additions of Deepspace5 and Beautiful Eulogy, both of which are labeled as supergroups in independent reliable sources. My contention is that if a group is notable enough to have an article about it, even if not all individual members have an article, and is described as a supergroup, then it should be included in the list. Otherwise, I think we get into the rather absurd situation of asking how notable a notable group needs to be in order to be considered notable.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:09, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I concede that Beautiful Eulogy might not be a supergroup, mainly because only two sources explicitly call them such (HM calls them a "quasi-supergroup" as well, which I think is a closer definition.) I will object though Odd Thomas at least is not a nobody, he just hasn't had an article created about him yet. There is enough mention of him within the Christian hip hop and broader Christian music scene to warrant an article. I'm not as sure about Courtland Urbano/Xperiment.
As for Deepspace5, the fact that there are 4 sources listed here, but only 3 in the actual article, is easy to explain: The article hasn't been properly developed. That's why I'm working from what sources say, not what the Wikipedia articles say. Deepspace5 is a collective, but because all but one of the artists had already been known for various solo and group projects (Sev Statik as far as I know was the only exception, as he joined both DS5 and Tunnel Rats at about the same time), this collective is also a super group. I haven't worked a lot on all of the relevant artist pages, so there might not be consistency. Unlike the case for Beautiful Eulogy, we have at least FOUR sources labeling DS5 a supergroup, and of those, only one might be considered a niche publication. Of those three major publications, Exclaim! and Christianity Today are national, or in the case of the latter, international publications. As for the notability of the individual artists, I plan to at some point write an article about Sev Statik, and Ill Harmonics, Playdough, Sintax the Terrific, and possibly Sivion, all probably are notable, though I have to try collating sources to be sure. These artists all predate many internet sources, so their might not be much online about some of their projects. I'm not sure how underground Christian hip hop garnered attention in the late-90s, as I don't know much about that scene.
Finally, the section heading says "Notable supergroups," but does not explain what the criteria for inclusion is other than "groups which have performed more than a single song or live show together." "Notable" as used on Wikipedia is having "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Both of these groups meet that definition. Note above that I have also suggested splitting off the list into a separate article.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:16, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Chris Welch claims to have invented the term 'supergroup' (as well as 'progressive rock') here at 40'50s Acorrector (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
The very definition of a 'supergroup' hinges on the term 'successful'. This is a subjective term though metrics such as career earnings, records sold, songs written and longevity can all be used to establish the success of a musical band and its individual members.
Though there are dictionary definitions of the term supergroup - there is a key word and that is SUCCESS - this can obviously be defined - by numerous metrics - if a band ticks all of the boxes and is but the degree of success by these metrics - is questionable - they cannot be a super band by any part of this definition.
I know we live in a world of self promotion - and this is not a terrible thing - the problem for a platform and community life WP is its use in self-promotion and there are many policies to prevent this.
There should be a bit of common sense here also - a supergroup really is not a complicated idea - and if the members are not 'hugely successful' - chose the metrics - they cannot be a superband - especially if they a self-declaring - or there fans are doing this. BeingObjective (talk) 05:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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