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Perhaps this should go in the "Controversy" section (if so, I'll move it there- just let me know :]), but I was wondering whether Mamillius is actually resurrected/reanimated at the end of the play, because in the edition I'm currently studying (Arden, 1988) there's no reference to him. Regards. El Oscuro (talk) 21:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I would suggest that this is corrected- unless anyone has any objections with textual evidence for this being anything other than a directorial decision, I'll do it within 7 days. El Oscuro (talk) 19:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Perdita is the only character from this play who has his/her own article. This needs to be remedied. I'll start within the next couple of days on Polixines, Leontes and Antigonus, but I'll need some more help, too. --BeastKing89 01:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
also considered a "problem play" by many. By many what? By many Freshmen? By many Jesuits? By many bulgarians? --Wetman 09:02, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
What is fairings ? Moniba tahir (talk) 14:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
"It is unclear whether Hermione has been pretending to be a statue for sixteen years, or whether she actually was turned to a statue by magic for that amount of time."
This is a revision of something I wrote:
"(A few web-based commentaries on the play have interpreted the final scene as meaning that Hermione had actually been transformed into a statue and then come to life again, but this seems unlikely to have been Shakespeare's intention.)"
To my mind the revised text badly misinterprets the plot. Hermione's "statue" comes to life on the day of its unveiling - it has not been on display for 16 years. This suggests to me that whatever she's been doing for the past 16 years, she hasn't been a statue, either real or pretend, for all that time, however much I'd like to believe it. Lee M 01:01, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
--Jack Upland 09:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
For the record, I was in a high school production two years ago of The Winter's Tale, and we did have someone in a bear costume run from one stage to the other, with loud roaring sound effects and strobe lights, etc. Whether or not it was Shakespeare's intention to make it funny is debatable, but it did certainly did bring a lot of laughs regardless.--BeastKing89 20:15, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I have checked, the First Folio does indeed read "Exit pursued by a beare." PatGallacher (talk) 01:52, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Oh, come on! A deliberate mistake! And I suppose the clock striking in Julius Caesar was deliberate too! Let's face it: Shakespeare didn't know and didn't care!--Jack Upland 09:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
"The question of whether Hermione is genuinely brought back to life by magical means or whether the "resurrection" is some kind of trick is left unanswered in the text. She says to Perdita, "thou shalt hear that I, / Knowing by Paulina that the oracle / Gave hope thou wast in being, have preserved / Myself to see the issue.""
Under the heading of controversy. How is this a controversy any more than the ending of "The Lady or the Tiger?"? Especially considering that it was intentionally left ambiguous. Move to remove from the Controversies section. -- Masterzora 05:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Should use "suggesting" rather than "inferring" (used here in its disputed sense) in last para.
Agree, "inferring" is a distraction in a really helpful article. Maybe "encourages us not to take it too seriously"? Inscribe 12:18, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
On the page about Henry of Masovia, the duke and bishop of one of Polish regions in Middleages there is a part telling that Part of his story was used by William Shakespeare in his piece, the The Winter's Tale, on the Polish site it's confirmed saying that W.S. just moved the plot to Sicilia and made the persons to be Czech. It would explain the mistake like Bohemia's Sea Coast as Poland has obviously a coast line. Anybody could dig in more for it? Merewyn 19:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
According to the post "Bohemia" was also "rarely used ancient name for Italian Calabria (the heel of the Italian boot)" (after one of Bohemunds who ruled there).
Googling finds several places where the name is used (in text about Waldensians), (geogology). The topic is also discussed in detail in "Bohemia in Early English Literature", a paper from 1943 .
This location would be better explanation than the landlocked province in the center of Europe. Pavel Vozenilek 17:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Shakespeare wrote three types of play: comedies, tragedies, and histories. In the contemporary collections I've seen, "romances" is the fourth category in which The Winter's Tale is included. I realize the definition is similar, but "tragicomedy" seems like a pejorative term--a meaningless mix of words. I think it should be named as a comedy, just as represented in the complete works table. IrisWings 07:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Was Rowling's Hermione character really given that name BECAUSE OF this Hermione, or do they just share the same name and this Hermione is an earlier well-known literary character?
Wouldn't Hermione surviving be a shock to the first audience of the play? Those familiar with Robert Greene's novel would have expected a different outcome. JoeBlogsDord 16:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
This section should be rewritten to lose it's informal style unrelated to Wikipedia. Although retorical questions are a good writing device they are not appropriate to Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eddabed (talk • contribs) 09:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, Hermione was based on the Hermione in a Winter's Tale. Rowling says she wanted an unusual name.
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/1999/1099-pressclubtransc.htm Eddabed (talk) 09:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
The character- or at least the name - of Autolycus is clearly re-used as the "king of thieves", Autolycus, in Xena: Warrior Princess. Rmd1023 (talk) 17:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
In the article Mary Anderson (stage actress), it states "In 1887 in London she appeared in The Winter's Tale in the double role of Perdita and Hermione (the first actress to include this innovation)." Is this a common thing? I can't seem to find a mention of it in this article. -- Bobyllib (talk) 16:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
According to Dr. Samuel A. Tannenbaum, "scholars had been disputing for considerably more than half a century whether The Winter's Tale was one of Shakespeare's earliest plays or one of his latest." (Source: Shakespearean Scraps, chapter: "The Forman Notes" (1933). Tannenbaum reports that "Malone had at first decided that it was written in 1594; subsequently he seems to have assigned it to 1604; later still, to 1613; and finally he settled on 1610–11. Hunter assigned it to about 1605.") Charles Barrell assigned a latest date of 1594, (Source: Barrell) while many critics believe the play is one of Shakespeare's later works, possibly written in 1610 or 1611. (Source: F. E. Halliday, A Shakespeare Companion 1564–1964, Baltimore, Penguin, 1964; p. 532.)
Part of the above section was removed for several reasons.
1. Tannenbaum's quotation is pointless. How long scholars have been "disputing" before 1933 is irrelevant to the article. There is no such dispute now nor has there been since Hunter, who died in 1861.
2. Barrell's opinion is irrelevant. He's not an authority on anything nor is he WP:RS.
Tom Reedy (talk) 17:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Smatprt, I'm not removing the material, I'm just removing the source. You should be able to find a WP:RS source for the statement. The Shakespeare Fellowship Quarterly is not a reliable source for Wikipedia because it is not a "reliable, third-party (independent), published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", as required for Wikipedia sources, as I'm sure you well know. If you think it is, go to the noticeboard and post an opinion request. This constant harassment from you about my edits without any explanation of why you are reverting them except for sharp and cursory comments reeks of WP:WAR. Your confrontational, aggressive, and disruptive behaviour is clear to all, and it wastes not only my time, but that of all the editors who are called in to weigh in on your retaliatory reversions. Quite frankly, I'm tired of it. Tom Reedy (talk) 21:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
This article discusses the play and some notable productions can add to our understanding of the work. In what way does this edit do this, please? Taking the long-term, historical perspective this can only be seen as recentism. As the guideline suggests: "articles that are bloated with event-specific facts at the expense of longstanding content—is considered a Wikipedia fault". --Old Moonraker (talk) 21:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I've trimmed a recent addition about Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford's trip to Italy, sourced from an art historian's book about the Grand Tour. I had forgotten this discussion, which dismisses the whole connection between Oxford's art-collecting trip and Winter's Tale as an editor's conjecture. As User:Paul B puts it: "...tenuous. Basically - Oxford thought his wife was having an affair and Pandosto thinks his wife was having an affair". Would we be justified in reverting it altogether? --Old Moonraker (talk) 08:11, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
In "The seacoast of Bohemia" section we read: "some Oxfordian scholars [See: authorship], … find it significant that the Earl of Oxford was travelling in the Adriatic region". I followed the link, drilling down to this section, but found only Jonson's mockery (which is cited there to show that Jonson, who knew Shakespeare well, was acknowledging him as the playwright). There is no mention of scholars, or significance (unless I missed it—please correct me if so). Tagged {{cn}}. Last year I suggested removing this sentence, but let's, once again, see if a source does turn up. If not, I think it's been left long enough now. --Old Moonraker (talk) 21:42, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Is it worth noting in the "adaptions" section the recent YA novel Exit, Pursued by a Bear, which is a modern retelling of The Winter's Tale? (The book's kirkus review mentions that it's an adaption.) Margalob (talk) 14:10, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
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This phrase is worded pretty weirdly and is somewhat vague. Any suggestions as to changing it?PiPhiTau (talk) 02:35, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
The plot summary, as it stands, seems to take large chunks word for word from Sparknotes, which isn't allowed, and it says unequivocally that the statue of Hermione magically came to life, rather than it being a ruse by Paulina in which she concealed the very much alive queen for 16 years, which I believe is the more popular interpretation. I can try to work on a rewrite, but I'm not terribly anxious to take on the matter after a just single reading of the play. Blanking the whole section as a copyvio wouldn't be completely unfair, but I'd rather not leave it blank until another is written. Anyone who watches this page have any thoughts? -R. fiend (talk) 18:49, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
The Actors From the London Stage have announced that they will be taking their presentation of The Winter's Tale on tour in the fall of 2025. 162.202.72.43 (talk) 14:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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