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Perhaps it would be useful to mention the fact that slavery was practiced in Tibet before the communists invaded. Lots of people don't know that. If I had been in charge of the chinese army, I'd have invaded tibet too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.17.224 (talk) 01:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Not sure why there is a discussion on Tibet's former social structure - feudalism or serfdom- as this has nothing to do with the Independence movement. and is clearly biased toward PRC's standard version of Tibet's history. In fact much of this article is inflammatory and biased and needs to be overhauled completely. the topic is the Tibetan Independence movement which in reality began after China invaded in 1950.KungaChoedron (talk) 04:34, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
I found the author view is distinct, after reading through it I found my attitude was changed greatly. If you don't want add an external link, you can add his opinion to the article. "This is not an essay that tries to justify or defend China's human rights violations in Tibet. This is an essay that tries to present information that most Free Tibet pamphlets and articles omit, and builds the argument that campaigning to "free" Tibet is both socially and morally irresponsible."
I thought he renounced independence and instead advocates full autonomy within China?
As early as 1988, The Dalai Lama did make clear that he wasn't advocating for Tibetan independence and as such, the Dalai lama cannot be said to lead the independence movement. I have removed this and tried to make the introductory text more accurate. We'll see if it remains. --coldmtn 12:30, 4 Feb 2006
Well, maybe not freedom of religion (good thing, IMO), but buddhists are definitely allowed to practice
'I am Panchen Lama's believer,you violate Panchen Lama's volition.'DaLaiGroup bent on evil-doing.In my head they are dying.I know you are plotting a new Damageplan in Tibet China.Tibetan:CaiDaJorya
"Some people actually living in Tibet are not enthusiastic supporters of the movement, because they are non-native Chinese who have displaced the Tibetan population or because they fear punishment by the Chinese government for expressing enthusiastic support" This does not belong in the introduction. It also severely limits the list of reasons why Tibetans don't support the cause. Many Tibetans find chinese rule an improvement. That should be mentioned. 66.58.219.109 20:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC) ??????I would like to know why these Tibetan peoples find that it is an improvement and how have their lives been improved by it??????
There's been some silly deleting in this article's discussion page without any reason being given in this talk page. I've redone some points (but not all) and I will report further deleting to moderators. You have been warned. Racooon (talk) 08:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Is 'ITIM' a formal name, of an organized campaign or movement? If not, the article should be renamed to International movement for Tibetan independence or something similar. Also, there seems to be material better apt for articles. Overall, the article says rather little about the actual international lobbying on the Tibetan independence cause. --Soman (talk) 09:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
This article is titled "Tibetan independence movement", then it has a logo of "Free Tibet". Can someone actually tell me which is it? The Tibetan people had certainly never been free under the Dalai Lamas. Are we to believe that the dl and his cronies now want to free the Tibetan people? A free tibet and an independent tibet are two completely different things. The dl and his cronies lived for free at the expense of the tibetan people. It would improve the article if it is clarified which topic this is about, or to concentrate on the Tibetan independence movement instead of confusing it with a free tibet. 81.155.102.122 (talk) 00:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
For the Development and influence section can someone verify from a non-Tibetan source that "Tibetan independence is not currently supported by Tenzin Gyatso, the current Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhists." Thanks. Mavlo (talk) 18:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
they want the nations to be freed from foreign control, and there goals have changed since the time when there was restircted freedoms(thogh stil leaps and bounds ahead of any, say, communist states) 24.228.24.97 (talk) 03:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7730774.stm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.119.142 (talk) 15:24, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Of course the dalai lama doesn't want a free Tibet. A free Tibet will mean it is free of the dalai lama as well. 86.176.116.88 (talk) 03:29, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Free Tibet is well known as the biggest way for someone with very little political concerns to claim political savvy. Even south park mentioned itYVNP (talk) 11:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I have corrected a claim in the lead because it inaccurately represented the source it cited as support. The claim in quesiton was "The movement used to be a platform of the Central Tibetan Administration of exiles, and of the 14th Dalai Lama, but now they are seeking a sort of high-level autonomy within China.[1]"
The source cited () has the following to say about the Dalai Lama's old and new positions:
From these quotes, it is clear that the cited source nowhere represents the Dalai Lama as ever pressing for independence. Instead, we can summarise the "old" and "new" positions as:
In any case, the Dalai Lama's position that Tibet remains an autonomous part of China has not changed. I have changed the sentence accordingly. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 19:45, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I propose merging Western support for Tibetan independence into this page. I reached it via the odd redirect at "Western Government secret intervention into Tibet," and it looks like a bit of an orphan, though not in the sense of the Wikipedia definition. If we could really build that article to the point where it's worthwhile on its own, that's fine, but for now it seems much smarter to me to incorporate it here. Some of the content of the "Celebrity support and Freedom Concerts" section is related. --BDD (talk) 21:38, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
KGB Agent Victor Louis (journalist) wrote a book about his support for Uyghur, Mongol and Tibetan separatists, he encouraged the Soviet Union to try to wage war against China to allegedly "free" those nationalities from China's rule
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZavAkGUNdSkC&pg=PA175#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=cEdQ1IuJFH4C&pg=PA172#v=onepage&q&f=false
Here are some points which I think may benefit the article:
- There are multiple factions within the Tibet Independence movement. Basically there are followers of Rangzen (full independence) which is the position held by most of the Tibetan Youth Council, and middle way (autonomy but under China) advocated by Dalai Lama. In recent years noted Tibetan scholars such as Patrick French and Melvyn Goldstein have also been advocating some kind of middle way like compromise, citing the political reality of China's rise
- Section for Western Support of Tibet should also include US government funded (propaganda) outlets such as Voice of Asia (VoA), and NED. In fact, there was a large controversy involving VoA's president firing its Tibet Program Director end of last year. In this incident the Rangzen supporters argued that Prime Minister of Central Tibetan Administration Lobsang Sangay, himself a middleway supporter, conspired with VoA's president Libby Liu to fire the original program director.
- The recent "self-immolations" should be mentioned as the movement has been covered quite extensively by the media. While Chinese government blames the suicides on Dalai Lama, at least by the end of last year DL himself didn't advocate nor attempted to speak against the suicides. Tibetan Independence movement in general however has been using the suicides politically as examples of unhappy Tibetans in China. 122.248.128.50 (talk) 08:16, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
RangzenITIM at rangzen dot org
and an ITIM at rangzen dot com
. The website Rangzen dot com
is owned and run by a non-profit 501(3)(c) organization in Indiana, and has a long established history, which is consistent with WP content. There is a list of board of directors and president. However, the website at rangzen dot org
redirects to RangzenITIM, more specifically, to CircleTheBayForTibet: RangzenITIM - Who we are.This article tends to put forward claims made by the Chinese without presenting the other points of views on the matter.
I picked up one obvious example, the statement about serfs, which I've qualified to make clear it is a claim made by the Chinese not universally accepted and with link to Serfdom in Tibet controversy. Article could do with more editing of this sort I think to make clear which of the various points are views put forward by the Chinese not accepted generally in the West, by Western scholars, or by the Tibetan dispora. Whatever one thinks of the merits of the various views, it should be made clear to the reader that some of the statements here are regarded as controversial. Robert Walker (talk) 08:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
I think too that this article looks too much pro china...93.37.203.84 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
This map appears to show a cultural-ethnic boundary of Tibet rather than political. It shows Ladakh and Baltistan as part of Tibet when they were under British India's control and it shows Qinghai as part of Tibet, while the Qing in fact governed it separately as part of Gansu province at the time. The map appears to show where ethnic Tibetans live rather than the political boundaries of the Tibet region governed by the Dalai Lama. You need to find another map with demarcates only "Tibet proper" and not all areas where ethnic Tibetans live. Other errors on the map include showing Saigon and the Mekong Delta as part of Cambodia when it was conquered by the French from Vietnam at that time.Rajmaan (talk) 16:55, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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Aren't there territories in India that belong to Tibetic or Tibetan peoples? Shouldn't the Independence Movement claim independence from India also? 109.156.178.186 (talk) 00:13, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
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