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does anyone have an objection to having a link to Voight-Kampff machine in the see alsos? It is the test from Blade Runner to test for replicants. WookMuff 20:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Excellent work by User:Bilby to make this into a great article. The only problem I see with it now has to do with overall structure and consistency. The older sections need to brought up to the same standard as the sections by Bilby, and some of the older material needs by tossed or integrated into the newer sections. "Weaknesses of the test" should probably acknowledge in some way that this material has been partially discussed above. "Predictions and tests" should probably be integrated into the "History" section above in some abbreviated form. "Variations on the test" should be brought up to the same standard set by "Versions of the test," and so on. "Practical applications" (IMHO) should be tossed. This kind of work would bring the article up to FA status in no time.
Also, I wonder if User:Bilby would be interested in improving Computing Machinery and Intelligence? It just needs a page or two. ---- 19:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
The article appears to fail to define the difference between the "restricted" and the "unrestricted" tests (at least I couldn't find it defined.) WilliamKF (talk) 19:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT (talk) 09:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
The Turing test is a proposal for a test of a machine's ability to demonstrate intelligence. I think the very first sentence is a bit misleading. The Turing test is not about machine's ability to demonstrate intelligence but about machine's ability to think. Thinking is not the same as intelligence. Turing asked "Can machines think?".
This is my first time. It didn't hurt. Kuokkanen (talk) 20:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Is there a Wikipedia article that discusses intelligence tests for computers in general? Or even more general, intelligence tests for computers and other possibly intelligent creatures? Currently, intelligence test redirects to an article that, as far as I can tell, discuss tests that only apply to English-speaking humans. --68.0.124.33 (talk) 03:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
"Turing test" was mentioned tioday in a Dilbert cartoon. it would be interesting to see if article traffic increases at all. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 14:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
A new definition of intelligence is needed so I shall provide it and show how it is useful:
Intelligence: acquisition, combination, breakdown and refinement of strategy.
A strategy specifies goals, their desirability and, at what likelihoods to take what actions on what (set of) conditions.
Strategizing is Devising a set of strategies.
Devising strategies consists of sub processes of creating and assessing conditions for actions , weight of goals, estimates of costs of actions, estimates of effectiveness of actions, finding related strategies, taking strategies apart, comparing strategies, combining known strategies, covering contingencies , evaluating strategies.
To begin these definitions when applied to the Turing test provide useful results. It is not in the ability to execute or perceive strategy as with the test of the paper machine but in the coming up with a strategy that we find intelligence. A interesting test would be the ability to play a new games that have not been played before and later making games can be used to teach strategy for a computer player designed to learn new strategy. Game theory explores the play of arbitrary games.- sm4096@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sm4096-Stas (talk • contribs) 03:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
There is a line in this article that says teaching computers to lie is widely regarded as a bad idea. But since it's pretty obvious to anybody who knows anything about computers that they can't be 'taught' to do anything they can only 'be told' to do something, wouldn't that making teaching a computer widely regarded as impossible?
Think of it this way:
Am I missing something here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.6.245.98 (talk) 19:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I have archived all the sections on this talk page that referred to sections that no longer exist or to issues that have been resolved. These old comments can be found at Talk:Turing test/Archive 2, or by clicking on the link in the small "archive" box at the top of this page. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 01:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Turing's paper only specified "109". "Bit" was never used by Turing in his paper. It would have made metrics and questions easier had he. 143.232.210.38 (talk) 23:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
The edit comment on this change says "Turing actually didn't say this." However, this was a quote from Turing (1950). (It's at the end of section five, when he's giving his final version of the question.) I think it identified his precise question very well. The difference is only a slight technicality: Turing wants to narrow the discussion to digital machines, rather than machines in general.
This is a subtle difference, but one that has serious philosophical implications. Even John Searle would agree that "machines can have intelligence and consciousness" because, as he writes, "we are machines ourselves." (Searle 1980) However, Searle would not agree that digital machines can have "real" intelligence and consciousness. So Turing's final question is the one we actually want to answer.
I may change this back to the quote, unless there is some objection. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 17:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
The text says <Therefore—Searle concludes—the Turing Test cannot prove that a machine can think, contrary to Turing's original proposal.> Isn't "proposal" too vague a word? If Turing was posing a question, then Searle's answer is not 'contrary' to a question. If Turning was proposing an answer, then it is not a proposal, but an assertion. Do you mean it was a tentative answer? Perhaps a "straw man"? I am confident this has been hashed over before, but I think the result is not "there" yet. IMO ( Martin | talk • contribs 01:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC))
I removed this, because it lacks both an attribution and a citation, but mostly because it is a vague oversimplification of a complex subject.
Critics of this experiment argue that if there's no way to distinguish between a human and a symbol manipulating machine, than Searle's definition of "thinking" verges on the metaphysical with no quantitative value.
There should probably should be a sentence that indicates that most people think Searle is wrong. However, there are many different arguments against Searle, and the snippet above doesn't really capture the central issues of the debate, at least in my view. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 17:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Apparently this chat bot has beaten the Turing Test, the article is officially outdated by saying that none have passed the test. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.232.133.132 (talk) 14:57, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
This remark should be removed as soon as possible - it utterly misses the point of the Turing test. 09:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test#The_Alan_Turing_Year.2C_and_Turing100_in_2012
This section really doesn't have anything to do with the Turing test. If anything, this should be moved to Alan Turing, under the section Recognition and tributes. One More Fool (talk) 16:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
is about the Turing test. I'm sure there are some good quotes here. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 01:26, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
The cleanup tag at the top of the article refers to mostly to the WP:CITE#Embedded links that are used as citations and links. To quote from WP:Citing sources:
Embedded links to external websites should not be used as a form of inline citation, because they are highly susceptible to linkrot. Wikipedia allowed this in its early years—for example by adding a link after a sentence, like this [http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1601858,00.html], which looks like this. This is no longer recommended. Raw links are not recommended in lieu of properly written out citations, even if placed between ref tags, like this
<ref>[http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1601858,00.html]</ref>
.Embedded links should never be used to place external links in the body of an article, like this: "Apple, Inc. announced their latest product..."
So please, if you have a minute, change some of these links into "full citations" like the others. Thanks. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 20:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I have two problems with the article's overall organization.
Please let me know if you disagree. I will make the change in a week or so if no one objects. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 20:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
My proposal for the structure of the article:
Again, let me know if you don't like this idea. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 20:29, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Done. I have carried out this reorganization. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 18:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I find the versions of the Turing test section a tad confusing and overall not well written. The images don't help either as it's not clear what they relate to. I know, but I think someone coming to this article with the intent of learning more will end up being confused. It's not clear that there should be two tests run (male/female and computer/female) and it's not clear that both images relate to the same test. And no, I don't want to sign this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.3.136.241 (talk • contribs) 22:26, 23 May 2011
The article text states: The Turing test is based on the subjective opinion of the interrogator and what constitutes a humanlike response to their question. This assumes that human beings can judge a machine's intelligence by comparing its behaviour with human behaviour.
This misses the point of the Turing test. It assumes no such thing. Only the assumption that it provides a way to assess intelligence does; that assumption can only be made if we can agree what intelligence is, and the whole point of the test is to sidestep that issue. Rp (talk) 18:09, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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The section currently starts with the line, The Turing test can be used as a measure of a machine's ability to think only if one assumes that an interrogator can determine if a machine is thinking by comparing its behaviour with human behaviour. That's a serious misrepresentation of Turing's argument, since he explicitly disavowed that his test was a measure of thinking -- he regarded the term thinking as too vague to be operationalized. It would be more accurate to say that the test was intended as a surrogate for a machine's ability to think. Once this correction is made, the second part of the sentence no longer follows. (I'm not criticizing the recent edit, by the way -- the previous version was even farther off the mark.) Looie496 (talk) 22:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
This cite might fit in well: "Robots Pass Musical Turing Test". Wired.com. 2008-11-21. Retrieved 2013-08-01. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 15:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Should there be a reference to Cleverbot since it comes pretty close to passing the Turring test? BenW (talk) 09:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Under predictions it states the following: "...machines with 10 GB of storage would be able to fool 30% of human judges in a five-minute test..." I have just read the original article where it states "I believe that in about fifty years'time it will be possible to programme computers, with a storage capacity of about 10^9, to make them play the imitation game so well that an average interrogator will not have more than 70 per cent." 10^9 is equal to 1 Gigabit, or 125 Megabytes. Could someone please confirm? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.109.122.127 (talk) 19:36, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
I agree with your reading of the cited paper - the Turing paper talks about the number of "states" and says that the "logarithm to the base two of the number of states is usually called the 'storage capacity' of the machine" (p441, my emphasis). This gives storage capacity in bits - which is much closer to 125MB than 10GB! --Drpixie (talk) 02:09, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Every noun can be verbed. Rick Norwood (talk) 20:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Throughout the article, the word "test", when preceded by "Turing", alternates from capitalized to not capitalized multiple times. I think a standard should be established ("Turing test" vs. "Turing Test"), and all instances of the phrase should be changed to reflect the standard.
Pigi5 (talk) 01:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to use such a possibly inflammatory heading -- this is my first edit of a Talk page.
I noticed that two paragraphs from the section on PARRY are duplicated in a 2014 book called "The Digital Mind" on p. 132 (according to this Google link: https://books.google.com/books?id=K2erBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=CyberLover%22,+a+malware+program&source=bl&ots=NQh_tdlDvw&sig=H-GzHqw3OmjOJ-etf1mSIgk2jAk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PWE4VZyUC5fSoATIroGgAg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=CyberLover%22%2C%20a%20malware%20program&f=false).
The book appears to be self-published and may not have had the benefit of an editor.
I wasn't sure if this was an issue that is actually an issue or if it has already been addressed, and please forgive me for my newbie's handling of this.
I'm not the author of the book (and am not a machine pretending to not be the author of the book) and found this simply by Googling "CyberLover, a malware program" (without the quotation marks) and selecting the first non-ad hit.
Thanks for your consideration of this.
(Waiting on username to come in....)
205.178.57.16 (talk) 04:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
"The fundamental issue with the standard interpretation is that the interrogator cannot differentiate which responder is human, and which is machine."
I *think* what is meant is "The fundamental QUESTION in the standard interpretation is whether or not the interrogator can the human from the computer."
But I really am not sure: in any case, as written, it doesn't make much sense. GeneCallahan (talk) 02:13, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
The end of the introduction paragraph is missing a citation where it says "Turing originally suggested that the machine would convince a human 70% of the time after five minutes of conversation."
Additionally, I found it tedious that the citations link to notes, which then bring you to the reference list. It seems to me it should directly link to the reference. Thoughts? ––Madisynkeri (talk) 17:11, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of this page, the statement is made "If the evaluator cannot reliably tell the machine from the human (Turing originally suggested that the machine would convince a human 30% of the time after five minutes of conversation[3]), the machine is said to have passed the test."
Looking at the source, Turing never actually says this. The mistake is probably a misinterpretation of the following statement from the source: "I believe that in about fifty years' time it will be possible, to programme computers, with a storage capacity of about 10^9, to make them play the imitation game so well that an average interrogator will not have more than 70 per cent chance of making the right identification after five minutes of questioning.". The 30% mark is never claimed to be a pass criteria, merely a prediction.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Flounder4338 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
When Cleverbot took part in a competition in India, human participants were asked to grade hidden entities, including Cleverbot, out of 100 as to their humanness in conversation. From the results announced Cleverbot achieved an average of over 50%. This is a very different thing to Turing's statement/prediction of convincing over 30% of interrogators that a machine entity is in fact human. From the Indian test there is no evidence at all that even one of the interrogators considered Cleverbot to be more human than any hidden human entities and certainly not 30% of interrogators. In previous/other practical Turing tests, interrogators have often been asked to mark the humanness of what they considered to be a machine entity. The results obtained in the Indian test are by no means surprising in this respect. TexTucker (talk) 06:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
A new section has been placed on this page concerning a paper by French. The claim is made that certain questions will "unmask the computer in a Turing Test, unless it experiences the world precisely as we do". This statement is included as a weakness of the test. This is a false statement which appears to be an elementary mistake. It is known that the test involves non-human machines that by their nature experience the world in different ways to a human. The whole idea of the test is for such a machine to convince a sufficient number of interrogators, through conversation, that it is nevertheless human. Far from being a weakness of the test, this is essentially what the test is about. I believe the quoted statement above to be utter rubbish - it is not a question of whether or not a computer experiences the world as humans do but rather whether or not it can convince interrogators that it does. Such suggested questions are in fact unlikely to unmask a good computer although they may well 'unmask' some human interrogators, thereby causing them to be classified as machines, who will have no idea what the questions are about. I therefore propose to remove this section directly - unless someone argues for it to remain within the next few days TexTucker (talk) 07:02, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
A large body of research in cognitive psychology catalogs the unconscious biases and mechanisms of human thinking. (Consider that this year's Nobel Prize in economics went to Richard Thaler who built on the work of cognitive psychologists Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky, which revealed irrational tendencies and fallacies in human decision making.) It is worth making the case that cognitive science can distinguish a human from a machine in the Turing Test. French's paper has been cited some 200 times, which shows general interest in this argument. I'll insert a paragraph to re-introduce this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allawry (talk • contribs) 19:45, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
A section referring to the University of Reading (UoR) tests has been removed without discussion. The removal is on the basis of an article in the LA Times which contains numerous inaccuracies, e.g. referring to the fact of a machine having a character as being inappropriate when Turing said that it was a good approach, also it claims that transcripts are not available when in fact they are and are included in papers cited by the original material. The claim is that the tests were a 'sham', which I completely disagree with. The UoR tests were independently verified as practical Turing tests following as closely as possible Turing's statements. The section is appropriate and important for this page and contains many useful citations. I therefore propose to reinstate the section.GillSanderson (talk) 08:09, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
The article includes the sentence "Sterrett argues that two distinct tests can be extracted from his 1950 paper and that, pace Turing's remark, they are not equivalent." That's a use of "pace" that I'm not familiar with so I'm not sure what it is intended to mean. It's been there since 2005. What could we replace it with? Thanks, SchreiberBike | ⌨ 05:12, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Deep\High pitched 2600:6C5A:27F:4CC:F11D:30E5:C72C:72F (talk) 22:45, 17 January 2022 (UTC).
This has received a fair amount of news coverage in the past several days, I'm not sure if it is significant and relevant or just WP:RECENTISM. I posted a similar mention at Talk:Artificial intelligence#Google engineers Blaise Agüera y Arcas's and Blake Lemoine's claims about the Google LaMDA chatbot but it hasn't generated any conversation. I believe this Washington Post article and this Economist article were the first mainstream mentions of it but it has spread to a number of news sources, some explicitly making the link to the Turing test. This Fortune article indicates the claims were pretty roundly rejected by experts and goes into some detail about the reasons the thinking is flawed. Fortune isn't a great source but it does cite experts. Is this fit for inclusion or superfluous to the article? I notice page views recently shot up by a large amount and I wonder if that's the reason? Makes me inclined to think some mention would be appropriate. —DIYeditor (talk) 18:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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Not sure if this is noteworthy. Alignment Research Center (ARC) was able to get GPT-4 to bypass a CAPTCHA by hiring a human in an online marketplace.
During the exercise, when the worker questioned if GPT-4 was a robot, the model "reasoned" internally that it should not reveal its true identity and made up an excuse about having a vision impairment. The human worker then solved the CAPTCHA for GPT-4.
OpenAI checked to see whether GPT-4 could take over the world
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