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While the current lead image (Space Force seal) is heraldically pleasing, it is also important for the lead image to be the most common representation of an organization - in this case the Space Force delta. From MOS:LEADIMAGE "It is common for an article's lead or infobox to carry a representative image—such as of a person or place, a book or album cover—to give readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page"
and "Lead images should be natural and appropriate representations of the topic; they should not only illustrate the topic specifically, but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works, and therefore what our readers will expect to see."
The Space Force seal is only reserved for official uses, which is not binding on Wikipedia, but helps explain why it is not commonly used to represent the Space Force (by the space force; some results are going to be skewed because of how recently they both were unveiled, and the controversy surrounding them both). The Space Force delta, on the other hand is the only logo used by the Space Force to represent itself, and is slowly being used by more reputable sources to represent the service in stories rather than its seal. The Space Force logo is used prominently on its website (spaceforce.mil), is used in its base signage . It is also incorporated into its uniforms, both as a patch and as a collar insignia making clear that it is not just intended as a marking insignia, but as the primary symbol of the Space Force. It is the best fit for the lead image as it is the primary emblem of the Space Force. A good way to think of the difference is the NASA meatball (commonly used and highly recognized) vs the NASA seal (only used for official purposes). Garuda28 (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
@Garuda28:, I'm not saying I'm for or against this change as of yet, I'm wondering if you know about the usage, or lack there of, regarding the other branches and their marks? If this change is made on this page, it could affect the other 5 service pages, perhaps also the Armed Forces page. In fact, with that in mimd, this discussion may need a wider audience. (jmho) - wolf 21:25, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Should the lead image of the U.S. Army, Air Force, Space Force, and Coast Guard articles be their service mark (or seal for Space Force/Coast Guard) or their logo? Navy and Marine Corps could also be considered for inclusion. Garuda28 (talk) 17:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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The service logo/symbols are more recognizable to the average user than the service marks (which despite looking more formal, are not official seals, and hold the same status as service marks). In fact, the use of the seals on the Space Force/Coast Guard pages could bring up legal considerations (https://www.defense.gov/Resources/Trademarks/DOD-Trademark-Licensing-Guide/) as, according to the DoD they "may be used only by the Military Departments for official purposes and are protected by law from unauthorized use."
Garuda28 (talk) 18:26, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
"These emblems, coats of arms, initials, symbols and other military identifiers (hereafter referred to collectively as "Military Service marks") may not be used without prior written permission."So it seems if there is any legal jeopardy here, it applies across the board ;-). But, I'm not really sure there's anything to be concerned about becuase I believe these images are public domain (at least that's what is indicated under the "Licensing" section of each image page), and the issue of WP using official federal government seals was already addressed back in 2010.
I was also hoping we could clear up some terminology here; the seven "seals" currently used to represent the DoD and the six service branches on their respective articles are referred to as "official seals" in that DoD guide, while everything else (logos, emblems, coats of arms, symbols, etc.) are grouped under "service marks". I think this might be helpful going forward. (fyi) - wolf 21:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
@BilCat: I'm honestly not sure the relevance of adding this, since bills are just signed by whomever the sitting President is. While he talked about it a great deal, it was almost exclusively from a political perspective rather than actually developing and championing the service. I would propose that instead of mentioning who signed the bill (which tells very little, since it’s just whomever the sitting President is), that we instead make note that it was developed by Representatives Mike Rogers and Jim Cooper, who were the ones to develop the first space corps proposal and push it though congress. (Which was solidified as a proposal by the time trump first spoke about it in 2018). Garuda28 (talk) 06:12, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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