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Beyond the above it seems there are several other images on the page that require fair use rationales.--Opark 77 10:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I've now given several fair use rationals for each image, and significantly reduced the size of some of them. - bingo99 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the thumbnail sizes for the images as 250px is much too big and by not forcing the size, users can view the thumbnails at whatever size they have selected in their preferences. I'm a bit concerned about the amount of FU images in the article (though not the rationales). Obviously as an article on a sketch series there is likely to be more discussion about sets and props than, say, a soap opera, and having the image will enhance a reader's understanding of the topic. However I would suggest removing a few more images (perhaps Image:Susieblake.jpg and Image:Kitty1986.jpg?). I have already removed Image:Victoriawoodmonologue.jpg (the purpose would be better served as a short audio extract), Image:Victoriawoodsinging.jpg (same) and Image:Victoria Wood DVD.jpg (there is little reason to show what a widely-available DVD cover looks like). Brad 15:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I have rated this article as B class because the majority of important sections like critical response, production etc. are included and as mid importance because the awards recognition and longevity of the show distinguish it from other articles about television series. I think this needs a serious copy edit before going on to peer review - there are several sentences I could not understand.
These categories are arbritrary and are subject to review by any editor who feels confident to do so. Please note that a more formal assessment by other editors is required to achieve good article or featured article status. I used criteria from the television wikiproject guidelines here, article about TV series guidelines here and the assessment guidelines here.--Opark 77 10:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice Opark. I've significantly changed the article, following your advice. I've also removed the blog and Wikipedia sources and the info they provided and changed the citations significantly so they're in keeping with Wikipedia:Citation templates. Any chance of another look? - bingo99 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Peregrine for taking the time to look over the article. I've taken what you said into consideration and made many changes. The Max Miller reference has been removed. Acorn Antiques being the best remembered item from the show and the notabilaty of the "viewers in The North" line I've now had referenced now from this article from the British Film Institute: http://www.screenonline.org.uk/tv/id/1232556/index.html
I've replaced the Comedy Zone citations with this one from Channel 4 itself http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/G/greatest/comedy_sketches/results.html
As well as other citations to back up the article. I've also reworded the "One-off sketches" section (formerly "Memorable One-off sketches") and cut back on quotations. To reduce size, the Acorn Antiques section has been shrunk, and I've moved the majority of the 'Documentaries' section to its own brand new page Victoria Wood As Seen On TV documentaries. Cheers - bingo99 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again for the response. Okay, some changes, some citations.
Okay, cut that
Okay, cut "some fondly remembered"
The citation is from Neil Brandwood biography that discusses the sketches accuracy, as well as the praise it got for this from ex-Coronation Street star Doris Speed. The detailed knowledge should be obvious though from all the names of ex-characters (with links to their Wikipedia pages) in the quote.
Okay, cut those
Changed bittersweet to "self-penned". (that she writes everything in the show is cited elsewhere)
Here's a quote to back that up
"Victoria debuted her tomboyish pudding basin haircut and what has become her most popular song,, the mammoth, fifteen versed 'Barry and Freda, better known as 'Let's Do It'." Victoria Wood - The Biography, Neil Brandwood
Okay, its gone.
Cheers again - bingo99 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey bingo. I've given the article another look. I've removed some links from the headers as per WP:MOS. I think the main thing that needs improving now is the high number of stub sections. There are many sections of the article that have a header but are only 2 or 3 sentences long - you need to either lose the headers and discuss each aspect in prose (which would improve the flow of the article) or expand these sections.--Opark 77 08:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I've now removed a lot of the stub sections and put them all into one section. The article has also been cleaned up a lot by LBM and myself today. - bingo99 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I've changed the description of the sketches so it's now in a prose style - bingo99 04:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I've now turned the cast section into prose - bingo99 17:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I have taken on Victoria Wood As Seen On TV for review under the Good Article criteria, as nominated on the Good article candidates page by Bingo99. You'll be pleased to hear that the article meets none of the quick-fail criteria, so I will shortly be conducting an in-depth review and will post the results below.
Where an article is not an outright pass, but requires relatively minor additional work to be brought up to GA standard, I will normally place it on hold - meaning that editors have around a week to address any issues raised. As a precaution to prevent failure by default should this occur, if editors are likely to be unavailable over the next ten days or so, feel free to leave a message on my talk page so we can arrange a more convenient time for review. Regards, EyeSereneTALK 18:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I have now reviewed this article under the six Good article criteria, and have commented in detail on each criterion below:
1 Well written FAIL
1.1 Prose
The prose is generally good, flows logically and is pleasant to read. There are one or two 'see below' comments that could perhaps be removed, but no real concerns here ;)
1.2 Manual of Style
Only a couple of minor issues with this:
2 Factual accuracy PASS
The article is well-referenced, and there are no significant omissions in the citations. The sourced used are compliant with WP:RS.
3 Coverage PASS
Coverage is comprehensive and remains focused throughout.
4 Neutrality PASS
The article contains no evidence of POV or bias.
5 Stability PASS
The article history shown no signs of recent major changes and edit-warring.
6 Images PASS
All images used are appropriately captioned and bear a suitable license.
As a result of the above concerns I have placed the article on hold. This gives editors up to a week to address the issues raised (although in some circumstances the hold period can be briefly extended). To help with tracking, editors may like to strike through each comment as it is dealt with, or use the template {{done}} after each comment.
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or are ready for a re-review. In any case I'll check back here in seven days (around 2nd October). All the best, EyeSereneTALK 20:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations on an excellent, albeit minor, copyedit on the suggestions provided; you had already got the article to such a high standard that there was very little left to do ;) I have now passed it as a Good Article, and listed it as such on the Good Articles page under Social sciences and society > Media > Television and Radio shows and series. For the record, Bingo99 (92), LBM (11), Carre (5) and Opark 77 (5) contributed significantly to the article (only editors with five or more major edits are credited).
Well done! EyeSereneTALK 14:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou EyeSerene for the congratulations and the time you put in you assessment, much appreciated - bingo99 03:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Well done to all the editors who worked on this article. I'm surprised I count as a contributor as all I did was meet Bingo's requests for input.--Opark 77 14:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the congratulations - bingo99 03:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Now the article has been awarded Good Article status, I was looking for any suggestions to get it to the next level, Featured Article status. Any suggestions on how this could be achieved, hints, suggestions, changes, would be most appreciated - - bingo99 03:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips. I've now Removed Radio Times quote from header, moved up Background to start of article. Anything else anyone can see? I don't want to rashly nominate this if there's still problems needing fixed or upgrades to do. - bingo99 17:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I've reinserted the Radio Times quote in another section of the article. I've also made the requests for peer review you suggested, cheers. - bingo99 15:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
How do you nominate for A-Class? - bingo99 20:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I've re-read the article today and reassessed it as A-class for WP:TV. It comprehensive, well structured and well written. In its current state I'd be more than happy to support it at FAC so please let us know at WP:TV when it is nominated. I'm working through the WP:TV assessment backlog slowly but surely. Its an uphill struggle but we're only about 1 month behind with the requests at the moment.--Opark 77 13:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there any way to make all the Wikiprojects A-class in line with Wikiproject Television? - bingo99 04:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I know this is unrelated to the artile itself but I'm struggling to find the answer to a question and was hoping someone here could help me?
I know the Christmas Special is part of the second series, or was aired around the same time since it appears on the Series 2 disk of the DVD boxset. But where did it air, before the start of Series 2 or after it's end? Thanks in advance.--Lyco499 (talk) 23:50, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for the assessment. I'd be very grateful for any advice or comments as how to upgrade the article to the next stage. I've been the main contributor to it so far. bingo99 12 August 2007 19:31 (UTC)
In the past few weeks I've significantly changed this entry. Proof read it, had images apply to fair use law and added a lot more information. Any chance of another rating? bingo99 12 September 2007 10:06 (UTC) This article has now received 'Good Article' status. I'd be keen for it to be peer-reviewed again, in a hope of it reaching A-Class status, then hopefully Featured Article status. Thanks in advance for any advice or help. - bingo99 20:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC) This article has been upgraded to A-Class by WIkiproject Television, could it also be upgraded here to keep it in line, thanks bingo99, 16:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC) |
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Apparently, the actual title of this sketch is "Waitress", even though it is popularly known as "Two Soups". My references is "Our Friend Victoria", currently available on BBC iPlayer within the UK, in which this is stated by Julie Walters (at 22:00). I don't know how to reference that, though - could someone add this reference? — Paul G (talk) 18:55, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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A few old tags (2016) and the article could definitely do with a copy edit. A bigger problem is the lack of critical commentary on the show. There is a little bit under awards, but I would expect much more to pass the broadness criteria. AIRcorn (talk) 20:47, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
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