Talk:Federal Bureau of Investigation/Archive 1
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Should there be information here on the recent reorganisation of the FBI? --Daniel C. Boyer
- i.e. its primary function will now be counterterrorism. --Daniel C. Boyer
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Should criticism that the FBI along the lines that it is actually a secret police organisation, and, on the other hand, defences of the FBI, be a part of this page? The presentation of the FBI as purely noncontroversial -- I don't think the COINTELPRO does enough in this regard as it does not properly emphasize the ongoing misdeeds in which I maintain the Bureau has been involved (though I definitely think for NPOV the other side should be laid out as well) -- is questionable. --Daniel C. Boyer
Mention of other controversial FBI acts in the post-Hoover period are missing. Judi Bari, Ruby Ridge, Waco are not mentioned. How much detail should be gone into here, or is it better for other articles or what? --Daniel C. Boyer
- I think they belong. --KQ
Should add claim by Ashcroft that library records have not actually been searched under PATRIOT, although others have said this has happened. How to revise this? --Daniel C. Boyer 19:46, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Given that a library (librarian) would almost certainly require a search warrant, it should be simple to verify,
- Not necessarily; the search warrant may well have been issued by FISA, among other possibilities (this would actually impose a gag order on the librarian). --Daniel C. Boyer 20:27, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- so I would prefer factual information to yet another useless and weak Wikipedia "so-and-so claims that such and such happened, but so-and-so claims that it didn't" blurb. Besides, it belongs on one of the PATRIOT web pages. Daniel Quinlan 23:10, Sep 21, 2003 (UTC)
- This article might be useful: The Impact of the USA PATRIOT Act: An Update. --Daniel C. Boyer 19:49, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)
"However, the general impression which most Americans hold of the FBI, is that it is a very effective agency in fighting crime": this desperately needs to be subtly qualified. While this is the view of many Americans, there is also a strong current (especially since September 11) of FBI incompetence, something openly alluded to even before then in such mainstream movies as On Deadly Ground, The Rock, &c., &c., &c. I don't know quite how to approach revising to reveal this extremely mixed perception. --Daniel C. Boyer 19:00, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Dear Daniel C.Boyer, Dan, I ask this question to you out of curiousity. Why do you have such an interest in discussing the FBI, Federal Bureau of Investigation here on Wikipedia? I thought your interests were primarily in Surrealism, since you are involved in Surrealism? Dan, what do you think of the FBI?
- This really doesn't have anything to do with editing or improving the article, and I don't think my edits show "such" an interest. --Daniel C. Boyer 00:01, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Daniel, so this is basically just another post by you? Oh, Ok. Upon reading the above posts you made in this particular article page, I was under the impression that you took some kind of interest here in the FBI, you know, criticism and evaluation of their methods of investigation, search warrant issues, the Patriot Act, etc? Daniel, do you know of any more links that can help improve this article?
The FBI: Do you really think that the public's perception of the FBI is influenced by movies, even popular ones? Wasn't the Rock farfetched? Even with Sean Connery in it. the people don't care about stuff like that, it was just a movie, as for Ruby Ridge and Waco, who was really at fault here? The US Marshals? The ATF? How about meglomaniacs like david Corish? ao how about men who never grew up and even at 40 yers old still acted like rebellious teenagers. They made their beds, they had to sleep in them. Even if J Edgar ran the bureau for a long long time and he had prticular interests it still did its job well. Would you rather have a KGB here? how about a Gestapo? The people with something to hide are the ones who complain the most. "The Innocent hide nothing." Beria--Tomtom 15:47, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- (re: The Rock being "farfetched"): I believe this is true to some degree. But your discounting of how movies shape popular perception is overly dismissive.
- (re: "men who never grew up"): the idea that when you "grow up" you should start kowtowing to a dictatorship is a loathsome one.
- (re: "Would you rather have a KGB here? how about a Gestapo?"): We don't have to worry about that; we're pretty close now.
- (re:"The Innocent [sic] hide nothing"): from a secret police agency? --Daniel C. Boyer 00:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)