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The other stub articles are based on the flag. That would mean the striped should be horizontal. But as pointed out by User:cnoguera the horizontal image linked to by the Telefonica Nationalist Vandal is incomplete, and has too few stripes. Also, it's badly named. A new image with the correct amount of horizontal stripes should be uploaded under a good name. --Regebro (talk) 13:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Regarding your comment at user:Cnoguera's talk page:
Please put your comment on this talk page and in English language so everyone can understand it and comment on it. Not all Wikipedians understand Catalan as user:Cnoguera and I do! Also, don't change the stub before reaching new consensus; That's the way it works here (to prevent an edit war as it happened before). Besides that, would you might telling us if you have an account at the Catalan WP so we can contact you directly (since your IP isn't static)?. Thanks, Eduard --Floridianed (talk) 03:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear colleagues, the anonymous contributor has written this in my talk page: "Hola, respecte l'orientació de les 4 barres a la plantilla cataloniageostub s'hauria de recordar que en època medieval, que és quan es va originar la senyera catalana, els símbols es portaven en estendarts, que eren verticals. I per tant els pals o barres anaven en aquest sentit. Posteriorment, i vist que tots els països pengen les banderes en horitzontal, s'ha produït el fet que la senyera es pengés en horitzontal i les barres quedessin girades quan la bandera és hissada. Però, si t'hi fixes, en els escuts (que no han acabat girats horitzontalment com les banderes) s'ha mantingut la verticalitat dels pals . A la resta de països coincideix la orientació de la bandera amb la de l'escut. I un bon exemple que reforça aquesta verticalitat el tenim en la recent actualització de la bandera de la ciutat de Barcelona (que va substituir la que hi havia durant el règim franquista). Quan es van reunir un seguit d'especialistes en heràldica van determinar que, donada la posició horitzontal de la bandera, en dos dels quarters hi havia d'haver els 4 pals en vertical."
I took the liberty to bring it here for the sake of fruitful discussion. Let me summarize it in English for those who cannot read Catalan. He argues that in medieval times, where Catalan flag originated, it was usual to show coats of arms in vertical position. So, at that time, the stripes in the Catalan flag and coat of arms where vertical. Later on, it has been costumary to rise flags in horizontal position, so the orientation of the stripes has been changed. He claims that in other countries the orientation of the flag and the coat of arms coincide. Finally, as another rationale to support the verticality of stripes he refers to the recent restoration of the flag of Barcelona, where the specialists have determined that the four stripes must be vertically oriented.
What do you think? If we consider that flags are raised horizontally turning his original orientation, then the Catalan flag is vertically oriented and we should change the picture as the anonymous user requires. Otherwise, we could also consider that the change of orientation from coats to arms to flags is permanently established, and then the Catalan flag is horizontally oriented and our picture is correct. --Carles Noguera (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
See? I know and pointed out that it is the coat of arms of Barna; Oops, forgive me. You might not know that "Barna" is a nick for Barcelona.... and yes, I'm being sarcastic. After your approach and accusations I take the freedom...!
If all Catalonian coat of arms would have the stripes I would compromise with going all your way but that's not the case. See the coat of arms from Reus for example. I would've integrated the Catalonian coat of arm if it wouldn't be kinda difficult to do so, because of some image similarity to give the image clear lines (separation) within the flag, yet, if you would accept this I'm absolutely willing to figure something out to make it work.
In general: Those stubs are usually based on the flag, not the coat of arms, so I could just be as stubborn as you seem to be but I'm not! If you don't believe me take a look at the history, not only the talk page but also the page history itself. Make yourself familiar before posting an inappropriate comment as you did and you'll see that I already put some work into it to resolve this matter. Did it now again and will do so till we find a compromise that makes everyone happy. That is the best consensus to be. So lets start fresh [I'll just forget your remarks above] because otherwise: Quote: "Try to reply my arguments seriously or accept it". With other words: "get over it". DITTO! And nobody gets served.
If you have problems understanding English don't hesitate to ask if your not certain what is meant or about the interpretation of my comment. I would do my best in Catalan or Castellano even so Carles would be the better choice since my understanding and speaking of those languages is way better than my writing.
And you're welcome to come up with a feasible compromise by yourself. Look at and keep in mind the discussion that happened before you came along and respect those editors opinion as you want yours to be respected.
Kindest regards: Eduard --Floridianed (talk) 01:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
STOP!
Every time an edit is made to a template used on a massive number of articles, it causes huge problems for the server queue, as long as requiring large amounts of work from WikiProject Stub sorting. Over an average year, most stub templates are changed at most once or twice. In the last year, thsi one has been changed, reverted, changed, reverted, etc etc etc 35 times. There is no need for it. If there are problems, discuss them on the talk page - don't simply edit and create work for everyone. Read the part of WP:BOLD which talks about why extreme caution needs to be employed when dealing with templates and categories (and consider how that compounds when you have a template which links to a category).
As far as the different "yes/no/wilkl/won't arguments relating to icons and wording here is concerned, it is standard practice to use a regional map or flag when one exists - by itself and not alongside the flag of the country or continent of which the region is part. It is also standard practice to only mention the name of the country in the link if there is ambiguity. As such, the template for the English country of Devon does not link to England and only has the flag of Devon, the one for island of Zanzibar does not link to Tanzania and has only the flag of Zanzibar, and the one for Texas only has does not link to the United States the flag of Texas. Similarly that for Catalonia should only have the flag of Catalonia and should not link to Spain. furthermore, the use of the asbox template is deprecated with the vast majority of stub templates, and should not be in use here.
If you have any concerns with this template, take them to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting. Until then, leave the damn thing alone and let us get on with more useful work! Grutness...wha? 07:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
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