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Where exactly in an article do I put this tag? at the head, footnote or as references?--Ariedartin 15:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Template:1913Catholic seems to be obsolete. See what links there. But it is still easily found with a search. I suggest that it is done away with. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 06:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I would edit the template to incorporate the above if I could do the same, at the same time, to {{1911}}. The out-of-date and out-of-copyright text-dumps which we indulge in too often make our encyclopaedia appear to be a very silly encyclopaedia. —Ian Spackman 13:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I think you're hitting it from the wrong angle. I actually have edited some Catholic encyclopedia stuff and not done mere data-dumps; that's the main usage of the Catholic template, the attribution. If you want to make a {{1913Catholic-cleanup}} template with this text, I would support that. Even if 80% of the content with the tag is credulous datadumps, that's an argument for a bot-assisted move to a cleanup-template, with the standard one remaining, well, standard (and people moving cleanup to regular as warranted, and contributors warned that new content should take the cleanup tag by default).
Also, I think the section title is showing that a seriously wrong attitude is being taken here. I'm not Catholic, but seeing a 1913 Catholic perspective is very interesting, in the same way that the turn-of-the-century British academic perspective in the 1911 Britannica is. Opinionated is not even remotely a synonym for nonsense. Blame editors who introduce such opinions as simple fact, not the source. SnowFire 22:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
SnowFire, I agree that the 1913 Catholic information and pov is valuable, as is the 1911 Britannica pov -- the Talk section heading wasn't mine. However, I have come across too many articles which are in fact direct dumps, or preserve the traces of direct dumps. Take a look at Stauropolis, Jassus, Harpasa, and many other towns in Asia Minor whose descriptions begin with "... is a RC titular see" rather than "... is a city in Asia Minor". These clearly need cleanup.
I think your idea of having a 1913Catholic-cleanup tag is just fine, as long as we can convert all existing Catholic tags to it automatically. --Macrakis 22:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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I think we should add the source category Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia to the template.
I propose we add the following code to this template:
<includeonly>[[Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia]]</includeonly>
--Eastlaw (talk) 10:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
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template. Stifle (talk) 14:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Is this Catholic Encyclopedia even reliable? Articles shouldn't incorporate texts full of religious POVs! This can be exemplified in the article Publius Lentulus, where no other sources except the Encyclopedia are given. In that article, he is considered fictitious just because the Catholic Encyclopedia said that his existence is apocryphal. We should really discuss this. Pikolas (talk) 03:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
I propose to do the same think to this template as I have implemented for {{1911}} see Template talk:1911#Proposal to replace code with a wrapper around cite encyclopedia.
I propose:
comments welcome -- PBS (talk) 10:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I have just been informed of {{Cite Catholic Encyclopedia}} as that template uses "wstitle=" I will use that in place of "wikisource=" -- PBS (talk) 20:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
The template {{Cite Catholic Encyclopedia}} makes it much easier to alter this template, because this template can call that one, and that one can do all the hard work. All that needs to be done in this script is to print a modified prescript and then call the {{Cite Catholic Encyclopedia}} template with the correct parameters. I propose to use the same format for the prescript as is used in {{1911}}:
As that allows for the dropping of the postscript. The postscript proved to be a problem because the {{cite encyclopedia}} (which is called by {{Cite Catholic Encyclopedia}}) ends in a full stop which makes the postscript look odd without modification. Removing it simplifies the code. --PBS (talk) 21:41, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
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This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Herbermann, Charles, ed. (1913). Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. {{cite encyclopedia}} : Missing or empty |title= (help) |
{{Catholic/sandbox}} | Nothing set |
This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Herbermann, Charles, ed. (1913). "St. Theodotus of Ancyra". Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. | {{Catholic/sandbox|url=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14579a.htm|title=St. Theodotus of Ancyra}} | url title with icon |
This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Mershman, Francis (1913). "St. Theodotus of Ancyra". In Herbermann, Charles (ed.). Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. | {{Catholic/sandbox |first=Francis |last=Mershman |http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14579a.htm|wstitle=St. Theodotus of Ancyra}} | first= last= wstitle with icon and test no URL |
This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Herbermann, Charles, ed. (1913). "St. Theodotus of Ancyra". Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. | {{Catholic/sandbox|wstitle=St. Theodotus of Ancyra|noicon=1}} | noicon=1 |
Herbermann, Charles, ed. (1913). "St. Theodotus of Ancyra". Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. | {{Catholic/sandbox|title=St. Theodotus of Ancyra|noicon=1|prescript=}} | no-icon=1 and prescript= |
Herbermann, Charles, ed. (1913). "St. Theodotus of Ancyra". Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. | {{Catholic/sandbox|title=St. Theodotus of Ancyra|noicon=1|prescript=My Prescript: }} | no-icon=1 and prescript="My Prescript: " |
This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Herbermann, Charles, ed. (1907). "St. Theodotus of Ancyra". Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 1. New York: Robert Appleton Company. | {{Catholic/sandbox|title=Ecclesiastical Architecture|volume=1|wstitle=St. Theodotus of Ancyra}} | wstitle=Aagensen, Andrew |
This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Herbermann, Charles, ed. (2007). "St. Theodotus of Ancyra". Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 1. New York: Robert Appleton Company. | {{Catholic/sandbox|title=St. Theodotus of Ancyra |volume=1 |year=2007 |wstitle=St. Theodotus of Ancyra}} | wstitle=St. Theodotus of Ancyra|year=2007 overwrite year |
I was unable to use the {{Cite Catholic Encyclopedia}} template because it did not handle the title= parameter as a none wikisource parameter, so this template calls {{cite encyclopedia}} directly. Some examples of the new code -- PBS (talk) 23:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm currently editing this template on Gallican Rite. I used the parameters first & last (plus authorlink & wstitle, however I don't believe these parameters affect the text below). The resulting text is (emphasis is mine):
"This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Jenner, Henry (1913). "Gallican Rite". In Herbermann, Charles. Catholic Encyclopedia. Robert Appleton Company."
That result sounds odd and confusing to me in the portion I emphasized. Herbermann, Charles is not the name of the book, nor can we find articles in his abdominal cavity! I get that he's the editor, and so his name comes first if we don't use the author's name parameters. But I'd like to suggest some alternatives:
I'd prefer #2. I can't follow up on things very often due to chronic illness, so please just run with what you think is best & don't wait for me to respond. Thanks! --Geekdiva (talk) 08:27, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
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Please change the line | ref = harv
to | ref = {{{ref|harv}}}
so that a ref parameter is propagated if provided. See {{DNB}}
where this is already done, the sandbox (diff) and testcases (permalink) pages. Thanks.
Mirokado (talk) 18:28, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
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The template systematically produces a CS1 error "line feed character in |1= at position 1". I think there is simply one redundant pipe character after "cite encyclopedia". FordPrefect42 (talk) 19:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Could/should the template be amended to automatically set the parameter "location=New York", since that is where (I believe) the encyclopedia was published?
Could/should it wikilink the editor's name to his article Charles George Herbermann. Chuntuk (talk) 13:45, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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I suggest two additions to the automatically populated values passed to cite encyclopedia:
| editor-link=Charles George Herbermann
| location=New York
location is currently set to blank, editor-link doesn't appear at all. I have already made this change in the sandbox version and it seems to work OK.
Chuntuk (talk) 15:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
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template. Qed237 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Should the editor's name be wikilinked to his article, and the location be set to New York? Chuntuk (talk) 14:53, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by a page mover) (non-admin closure). Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:36, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Template:Catholic → Template:Catholic Encyclopedia – Since that is what it is about, not just "Catholic". Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:01, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
* Approve – Adds clarity & eliminates confusion, always a good thing. — JoeHebda • (talk) 14:17, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Right now, I'm seeing two icons in this template invocation:
This doesn't seem right to me. Daask (talk) 17:01, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Is it time to merge |title=
and |wstitle=
? I'm under the impression that the distinction was only significant when Wikisource's coverage was less complete. Wikisource said their edition was 97% complete in 2011, although that number may be made-up. I count 60 red links at s:User:Charles Matthews/CE Completion out of what I imagine to be thousands of articles, far below 1%. (I'd be happy to learn how to count them; they're listed via Special:PrefixIndex here.) In other words, every use of Template:Catholic Encyclopedia has an associated article available on Wikisource, although of greatly varying quality.
Currently, |wstitle=
overrides |url=
. I suggest that this be reversed, so that |url=
overrides the default Wikisource link. I suggest that differences in |wstitle=
and |title=
be treated as errors. Daask (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
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Consider adding |link=
to the attributes for File:PD-icon.svg and File:Wikisource-logo.svg to prevent these images from accepting clicks and (if I understand correctly) exclude these icons from the images shown by the media viewer. (See Template:PD-notice for an example.) 忍者猫 (talk) 09:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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Hi please fix the CS error. It says "missing title". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.224.59.209 (talk) 03:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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