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Please could you answer the questions before tomorrow? Sorry to bother you but there is very little time before publication. Thanks, PUBLIC GARDEN 19:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed the sock puppetry investigation has been closed but I am concerned that this same editor who ran away because of an WPOuting violation has returned to create more havoc.--Sikh-history (talk) 19:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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The account 24.129.79.213 was continously vandalised by the IP's below:
My question is how I would check these vandal IP's against Morbid Fairy/Satanoid?--Sikh-history (talk) 14:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Peter...any thoughts on unblocking this user? This one touched a nerve with me; my only block (several years ago) was for reverting a blatant SPA/sock editor (an editor which was weeks later blocked after a CU investigation). I don't like to unblock without consent from the original blocking admin. Let me know what you think. Thanks, OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
LOL I just noticed you created Peter Symonds. Looks like you did something right ;) XD Cheers. I'mperator 17:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I was in the middle of a reesponse to radek when I was edit-conflicted by Adjust shift and then your closure. I took the liberty of adding my response to the archived discussion, as it chronologically belonged there. I hope you don't mind. -- Avi (talk) 19:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey Peter, I'm interested in becoming a trainee clerk at SPI. I noticed that you all have enough clerks right now, but I wanted to express my interest for the next time you are looking for one. Also wanted to thank you for granting me account creator rights earlier today. :) Thanks, again. t'shael mindmeld 01:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Looks like the duck, AKA Jakesnake13, is still quacking, with two more socks popping up: Dthoward64 and XRubbahxDuckayx. I suspect more will be forthcoming. Thoughts on dealing with it? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Rokushobey0001 asked me to review his block by email, I left my reply on his talk page (the CU results are Unlikely). -- Luk talk 08:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Royalbroil 15:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Peter. You were the admin who blocked this user for edit warring and going against consensus on Lady Gaga discography. I'm afraid the user is back again and doing the same thing again, adding the spanish charts which are not supposed to be added according to WP:GOODCHARTS and a possible edit warring is about to start. Please will you look into this. I just reverted his changes. --Legolas (talk2me) 12:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I am only adding the Spanish Charts to the page, and giving a good source for it. Since January 2009, that link is completely valid. Plus, there has not been a consensus about that. It's only YOU who doesn't want Spain to be in the table charts. So stop reverting my edits. (Nympho wiki (talk) 13:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)).
Thank you PeterSymonds i am sorry i did not know about sock puppet investigation was not for innocence. I am taking it too personally, I went on break for a long time bc of this conflict, may be I should take more cooling time! RetroS1mone talk 22:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
I am a little bewildered about your comment to Sam Weller. I would appreciate a little help trying to understand.
A little background, I am an involved editor in the articles concerned, and AFAIK RetroS1mone made a lot of changes from 04:47, to 05:30, 4 June 2009. Overview. Many or all of RetroS1mone's edits were reverted by at least 3 differnet editors including myself.
Just prior to this time RetroS1mone made this statement on the Chronic fatigue syndrome talk page. RetroS1mone said Tekaphor was uncivil. But Tekaphor was talking about a claim not an editor. RetroS1mone's statement also labeled an editor "a spa editor with coi" to disparage their views, and that said Sam Weller called him/her stupid. The statement by Sam Weller where he tried to explain to RetroS1mone the difference between reviews being discussed is here. He never called RetroS1mone stupid.
I later asked RetroS1mone not to attack other editors.
Still later Sam left a message on my talk page, asking me about previous problems, and discussed edits saying, "A 'Guido' sockpuppet perhaps?" not mentioning RetroS1mone by name. I responded on his talk page not mentioning RetroS1mone by name. Then RetroS1mone accuses Sam and me on our talk pages of many things which are untrue including plotting off Wikipedia and accusing RetroS1mone of sockpuppetry. As far as I can see we didn't accuse RetroS1mone of sockpuppetry and only discussed possibilities (not drawing conclusions) on our own talk pages.
So I am not sure what statement Sam would retract since I don't believe he accused RetroS1mone of anything. We were certainly accused of many things by RetroS1mone on our own talk pages and in the Evidence submitted by RetroS1mone. I understand RetroS1mone is upset, but how could we have done this different than Sam asking me discretely on my page and then myself responding discretely on his talk page, not even mentioning RetroS1mone's user name. Are we not allowed to discretely discuss on our own talk pages what we perceive are editing problems or disruption? If you read over this section on the chronic fatigue syndrome talk page please note who is discussing the article and who is discussing editors, heck just scan the talk page anywhere to see. Thanks. Ward20 (talk) 04:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
If you're around, can you log on please? :) iMatthew : Chat (Review Me) 15:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Have you forgotten this yet? ;) They're at User:Garden/int and the deadline is June 12... please can you get to them? Thanks... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey Peter, hope you're doing well. Have a question for you. I read through the Susan Boyle article from time to time, and I was wondering about a particular source. I didn't go to WP:RS/N, but wanted an informal opinion. Is Times Online CO UK considered a reliable mainstream media resource .. or is it considered more of a tabloidish gossip type of publication? Nothing I'll hold you to, just was wondering and seeking an informal opinion. Thanks — Ched : ? 13:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
The article Oliver Cromwell's head you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Oliver Cromwell's head for things needed to be addressed. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I've started a little infernal voting thing to get a clearer view of how people stand and if we've got consensus either way. Regards, Ironholds (talk) 04:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I AM NEW TO WIKIPEDIA Dear Peter Symonds, I see you have said more citations are needed on Blanche Parry site. They are there now - would it help if I put original documents first before 'Richardson 2007' please? Please note that this is the very first biography of this lady to be produced, that I have spent eight years on accurate research and my sole aim is to make knowledge of the new evidence available to anyone interested. (Her entry is being changed to take account of the new information in the Oxford Dictionary of Biography and the Welsh Biography Online - changes accepted and will be made in due course.) Therefore, I should like this site sealed (not sure of the term used, or how to achieve this) as no-one else knows anything about her so I don't want unwarranted changes made. I am very happy to discuss with people on the discussion page and on the Contact page on www.blancheparry.com Thank you.REHopkins (talk) 10:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Would you explain to me the problem with the IP address as I have listed in the paragraph title? It just happens that I am unable to edit whilst logged out and a message appears stating that certain messages have been posted despite warnings. I do not believe that I am the author of these edits. I know that on the various occasions I have made edits whilst logged out, the IP changed on every occasion; and I see within my own IP history that I am supposed to have made some edits which infact I didn't. It has never been clear to me how IP addresses jump from one terminal to another, but all I can say is that I am a real user who does not not submit edits indended to be vandalism, and that whilst logged in - such as now - I am still able to edit articles. Be that as it may, I feel uncomfortable that logged out, I have a poisonous IP address; it shouldn't be the case for me, for you, or for any established user. Can you enlighten me on this, and even lift the ban with immediate effect on account of this terminal being at my address and used by no other person for which I can vouch? Thanks. Evlekis (talk) 20:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, dozy of me... Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Just Concerned AndrewrpTally-ho! 20:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thanks we were kinda hoping until the movie came out but this will keep the people without accounts off us for a while thanks Baller449 (talk) 00:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
ok thanks i was worried it would be ignored for a sec all those pages get info deleted and have anonymous users take away info and since he was under 4 days and making edits i thought they might get ignored. cheers! AcesUpMaSleeve (talk) 01:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi PeterSymonds. you sent me a message about sockpuppetry and vandalism asking me to get back to you and explain myself. I am sorry about the sockpuppetry. i had no idea what i was doing was wrong. Perhaps i should have read wiki policy rather than rushing into editing. once again i am sorry and i hope you will disregard my ignorance this once.
i have a complaint against the user who notified you against me; a certain "Ogress smash!". this complaint does not regard my accidental sockpuppetry. instead it regards my indicted vandalism. he seems to delete my edits for no substantially good reason. i read the vandalism policy and i believe i have not transgressed it. although the facts i raise in my edits may be a little threatening for those who oppose them (such as "Ogress smash!"), i see no real reason why they should be deleted. i find my edits to be like so many other wiki contributions, i.e. hard-hitting facts with actual sources and evidences, yet within limits of established policy. i find the actions of "Ogress smash!" to be a form of deliberate censorship with the aim of denying people the ability to decide what they want to believe based upon what they read and accept or reject. hope to hear for your decision and views, thanks. Histiryian4all (talk) 05:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Re List of languages by writing system: see Talk: List of languages by writing system. As an uninvolved editor, I agree with the majority of others already working on the article that this was completely premature protection over a trivial dispute. I'm sure it was good faith, as mediation had been invoked: but the mediation itself looks premature and more than a little tendentious, as options such as Third Opinion and topic RFC haven't been tried. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 10:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
for giving you so much work lately, and thanks for dealing with it! Verbal chat 15:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Regarding your note on [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SgtAvestrand1956], I couldn't help but wonder if you didn't see this edit? Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 02:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
The editors are claiming that they are not the same person, just both users of the MovieCodec Forums. From this lengthy thread there, it seems possible that they are different people (the forum admin came here and posted to note that they have different IPs. I've never been clear if meatpuppetry is bannable under the same guidelines as sockpuppetry, or they should all just get smacked for coordinated efforts, encouraged to stop promoting themselves, and given another shot. It would be good to read all the way through that thread, though, as they are actively encouraging their few members to come and attempt to current AfD. Maybe unblock but semi-protect the AfD if it gets disruptive? Thoughts? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Comment - Hello, I am a Moderator for the website MovieCodec.com. It has come to my attention that you banned two members of this site (who are also members of MovieCodec) for the false assumption they are the same member. I am NOT here for their claim for the Wiki Page created for MovieCodec. I am only here to clarify they are in fact two different people, and it's only right that further investigation goes into the situation concerning both of these two members. Hopefully this will be enough to bring some attention to you (or whoever may have been the one that banned the two members). My apologies if you are not the one who did the dirty deed.
One final thing, Derdev and King Boo (the two members that were banned) both have different IP addresses, joined years apart back on MovieCodec, and have completely different posting styles and personalities. If you have read this far, you have my personal thanks for reading all of this. Hopefully something can be done about this unjust ban. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NEREVAR117 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi PeterSymonds, this image is also covered by ticket:2009041610052721 but was apparently missed. Would you please take a look at this again? The uploader of these images asked for this case here. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 07:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
User:Garden/int ... is this ever going to get done? weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 17:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I draw your attention to the Boze Hadleigh entry Talk page which has a post from one 'Monkeyzpop' questioning your recent deletion, to which they have received no reply. Given the facts cited in the deleted section, I too am puzzled, and request that you illuminate us on your reasoning at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Boze_Hadleigh. Engleham (talk) 14:51, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I've inserted only text from the published sources. Without contravening Wikipedia's policy of no original research, is there a way to mention strange factual discrepancies in the author's work that haven't been cited in published sources...e.g. 'in his book Broadway Babylon Hadleigh has Madeline Kahn say: "Nathan Lane has a wonderful sensibility for comedy...It does rather surprise me that as a gay man he participates in that degree of homophobic humor in The Producers. They couldn't have known ahead of time that it would be a hit." [1] However, Kahn died in 1999 while Nathan Lane first appeared in The Producers in 2001. Similarly, in his book Leading Ladies, Sir Noel Coward is 'quoted' regarded the 1974 remake of the film Brief Encounter: a remarkable feat given that Coward died in 1973.' This seems a simple listing of dates. Engleham (talk) 13:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok, ta. I'll just add it to the Discussion page then to flag it, given his works are now being used as secondary sources by other biographers. Other contributors may be able to located some published sources that have detailed the issue. Engleham (talk) 13:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
The users Slp1 and WLU have decided to dominate the article on the Canadian Children's Rights Council. They even cite statements made from none existant newspaper articles or from articles that can't be verified. They appear to be radical feminists who hate any group which says anything good about fathers. They cite a couple of radical feminist authors who are of the opinion that the Canadian Children's Rights Council isn't about child rights. The content about the Canadian Children's Rights Council is defamation. A review of the notability on the discussion page will show that these 2 wouldn't even agree on the legal name of the organisation.
WLU, in particular has written in regard to others editing that page at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WLU "Please try to be civil in your edit summaries, especially with new users. That really wasn't necessary. --Closedmouth (talk) 14:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC) That's not a new user, that's a sockpuppet of the community-banned editor ResearchEditor, who has a history of editing pages related to satanic ritual abuse, dissociative identity disorder and child abuse in an unacceptably POV manner. Note his sockpuppeting history. His latest habit is to create throw-away accounts like this one and this one. Note that the comment and reversion are exactly the same. If the editor edits any other page, I will report them as a suspected sockpuppet to confirm. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize. But I really like telling him to fuck off 'cause he's a douche. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 15:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC) Well, then the WP:BITE references is moot then and retracted, but the point still stands. Telling people to "fuck off", sockpuppet or not, is exceedingly rude. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC) " WLU then destroyed all links on Wikipedia to the Canadian Children's Rights Council Virtual Library as a hate measure and stated falsely that they were all spam and blacklisted their website url. Any help to correct the damage done by such people would be appreciated. No one that made any entries swore or was abusive to WLU or Slp1 as far as I can see. Do the lawyers for the Canadian Children's Rights Council have to sue the Wiki foundation for defamation? No person or organisation should have defamation published on Wikipedia. What can be done? MSLTT (talk) 00:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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User:58.111.174.230 by User:Histiryian4all Ogress smash! 18:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I am sorry to bring this up again.... but there is still vandalism from registered users on the above article. Thank you for all your help in this, but it still seems to not be working. TDI19 (talk) 02:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hello Peter, I wanted to drop you a note to explain my reasoning behind this report. I understand your decision and do not question it, but I'd like to clarify a little: I wasn't concerned with the user's edits per se, but with the use of the alternate account to edit while the primary account was blocked and to make an edit on a page related to the concerns that lead to the block. I didn't intend to make it seem like persecution, and have apologized and explained myself to the user . Thanks and regards, Vicenarian (T · C) 16:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much Peter for taking the time to review and support my recent RfA. I consider it an honor to have the support of an editor and an administrator that I think so highly of. I'll do my best to never abuse the faith and trust you've shown .. Thank you. ;) — Ched : ? 20:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Denisefortune was removing incorrect information – when I noticed the dispute I checked the sources and they appeared to have been misinterpreted. The lack of communication on talk pages or in edit summaries may have been a problem but the user's edits have been constructive. snigbrook (talk) 21:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate your taking the time to add the rollbacker function to my account. Sorry about the mess I made of the request page there for a minute! :) Unitanode 15:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Peter, We have decided to work on different articles than punching on same article, i hope that should resolve most of the things :). Thanks for your kind gesture. Vertical.limit (talk) 15:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for enforcing the 1RR for the Macedonia case. One little thing: in your note on the IP talk page, you linked to WP:ARBMAC, but the case you enforced is actually WP:ARBMAC2, so that could be a bit confusing to the reader. Still, thanks for helping out. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 17:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Everyone else is thanking you for something, and I feel left out... so thanks! :-) Jenuk1985 | Talk 17:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello sir, I registered last night on the ACC site and I haven’t gotten a response. I thought you might be able to help. Thanks! --ilamb94 (talk) 17:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
The Admin's Barnstar | ||
Thanks for sticking around at SPI even though the bot is down. It's more work, with suddenly less clerks and CUs, so thanks! Nathan T 19:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC) |
Please semi-protect the article Princess Protection Program so that no unregistered users can edit the article until the movie premeres in the US. Thanks, --Tyw7 (Talk ● Contributions) Leading Innovations >>> 23:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC) P.S. please type your reply in my talk page or leave me a talkback.
Hello, I noticed on my Watchlist (5040, -ulp- trying to keep them under 5000) that you've credited me with the added responsibilities of autoreviewer (will I need a hand mirror?) Is there a page I could open that gives the current status of the Flagged Revisions procedural test? Though I don't yet know how I can help, I must say, I was gladdened to see I've been whitelisted! My own secret quality checking involves looking over the diffs since my last edit (after several months often), and discreetly vetting the intervening edits: many marginal edits need only a tweak to be good. Would you respond at User_talk:Wetman. Thanks!--Wetman (talk) 00:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for nominating me or adding me to the autoreviewer listing. I have only one request for assistance at the present time. I researched and wrote a small credited (unfinished) article on Canada Post for the London Mail Processing Plant which as you can see i had to move over to a talk page on Commons because several (I felt) ignorant users wanted the dirty nitty gritty information about the strikes and Union negativity that was going on and they put my article up for deletion because it was too clean. Can I now update this and put it back on Wikipedia and attach it to the main Canada Post article without fighting to keep it, under this new autoreviewer listing? Thanks Oh PS most of my work has been on Commons but I will be working here more now. WayneRay (talk) 17:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey Peter, I'm currently working on this article and would like to take it to FAC soon. Would it be possible for you to read through it, and give it a copy edit? — Please comment R2 17:24, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I think it might be best to reconsider the block you made on the TDC case. Avi said that there are unrelated users on the range and that a hard block wouldn't be appropriate. The range that you blocked 75.57.208.0/20 is actually greater than the one I suggested, 75.57.208.0/21 . Maybe it would be best to change it to a softblock instead and keep account creation blocked as well. Thanks, Icestorm815 • Talk 16:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Please re-delete Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/ukexpat - I am flattered by the nomination, and have thanked the nominator but I am declining at this time. I have told the nominator - do I have to formally decline the nomination? – ukexpat (talk) 19:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey PeterSaymonds...I didn't mean to be encouraging the vandal with that post...is that why it was deleted? Should it be reposted if I add more to it saying clearly to him to not vandalize(though I already gave hime 2 warnings.)I was telling him that it was disturbing what he wrote to me and i wasn't intrested. I was actually hoping to get the barnstar of good humor for that for i saw something similar before with that .SchnitzelMannGreek. 16:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Technically, he made that edit before I warned him. Now, I 100% believe he should be blocked for trolling, but I want to make sure you know, in case for some reason you feel ethically bound to give him another chance. A quick look at his userpage, fake RFA, and that suspicious edit to an old SSP page make me think this decision is correct, even if based on a slight misunderstanding. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you closed today the Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Deucalionite case. But, some minuts ago, the same editor, vandalised again Markos Botsaris page, possibly not blocked the right IP range. By the way, can you semi that page?Balkanian`s word (talk) 20:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, you added Rollback to my permissions, and I wanna expand my roll on Wikipedia. What do I need to do to obtain Request an account permission? I noticed you are very active at WP:PERM so I thought I'd ask you. CTJF83Talk 04:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I wanted to speak with regarding Christian Weston Chandler. This internet celebrity needs some help and general backup regarding his nobility here on Wikipedia. Was hoping maybe you could find time in your busy schedule to assist this person. As this person requires further assistance, due to the fact he falls under the Autism spectrum, Category:Living people, Category:Internet personalities, Category:Video bloggers, and well as Category:YouTube video producers and YouTube celebrities. Thank you kindly. Apelike (talk) 10:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
So, I patrolled my first SPI, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/69.118.241.91. Any feedback? (watchlisting)--Aervanath (talk) 16:23, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
As a trainee clerk, am I allowed to mark RFCU templates as "endorsed", and move it to the "waiting for checkuser" section? The procedures aren't clear on that. I've already done it a couple of times before I realized I should probably ask you if that's permissible.--Aervanath (talk) 16:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I have an office in which many employees work part time and others full time. Some individuals share the same computer. In the case of [] I have two part time individuals who share the same computer (laptop) which works out of the same office and occasionally out of another office. When you blocked the IP address it prevented me from creating an account to respond to the block. I appealed to another administrator Fred Bauder who contacted me via email and help me set up this account. Currently I am not in the office and I assume there is a different IP address but I do also use this laptop from the Same office whose IP you blocked.
Can you help me to understand the sockpuppetry. I've read about responding and the checkuser content but that seems to apply to the same person using several accounts. In my case, it is several users using the same IP. How do I manage this? Does it require getting a different IP for my office. I am a bit confused and this is somewhat of an overwhelming process for the novice to understand. It is not layman language and extremely difficult to link to each new term when reviewing a talk page. I have attempted to follow the instructions but remain bewildered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otto Placik (talk • contribs) 08:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Per Synergy's comment, is everything all set to close this case? Icestorm815 • Talk 13:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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