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--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:15, 22 March 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Question about Korean categories

Hello, BHG,

You know more about categories than anyone so I thought I'd bring this category conflict to you, because you'll know what to do. Editor Yinweiaiqing has been very active lately, creating historical categories for mostly Korean, but also some Chinese, occupational categories. This has resulted in a lot of parent categories showing up on Special:WantedCategories list the past week.

So, I've been creating parent categories for these Korean calligraphers, mathematicians and artists, no problem, until I get to Category:Korean people by century and occupation. You'll see that Yinweiaiqing has been classifying nationality as "Korean" while previous category creators have labeled it "South Korean". Now we have Category:Korean people by century and occupation and Category:South Korean people by century and occupation.

I think I will have to change the subcategories in Category:21st-century Korean people by occupation to Category:21st-century South Korean people by occupation but what should be done with the 20th century ones when Korea was separated into North and South Korea in the 1950s? Should we have Category:20th-century Korean people by occupation or Category:20th-century South Korean people by occupation? Thanks, in advance, for your help. Liz Read! Talk! 21:24, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz
I think that for every category which applies post-partition, the solution is to have a "Category:Foo in Korea" with subcats "Category:Foo in North Korea" and "Category:Foo in South Korea". That's what we did in Ireland, and it works well: see WP:IRE-CATS.
So in the example you give, Category:20th-century South Korean people by occupation should exist and be a subcat of Category:20th-century Korean people by occupation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:32, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
If I'm reading WP:IRE-CATS correctly, this means we should keep 21st-century Korean people categories as well. This gets into a political question because, as far as I am informed, Korean people think of the North/South division to be a political one but that "Korean" culture and history encompasses both countries. Liz Read! Talk! 23:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
It looks like you have already tackled some these categories which is appreciated. Liz Read! Talk! 23:05, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
@Liz, yes I have done quite a few over the years. And yes, keep 21st-century Korean people categories as well.
It's a political/cultural/historical issue, and the advantage of the WP:IRE-CATS stype of structure is that it respects all POVs. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:13, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Move to commons

Hi, hope you are doing well! File:Brig.Gen.SiddiqSalik.jpg should be moved to commons since it is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License. It was wrongly/mistakenly attributed. I have updated its current status per publisher/author's content policy [1]. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 06:54, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@TheBirdsShedTears, why are you telling me this? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:56, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
I noticed that you are well aware of the policies. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 06:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Maybe, but I rarely do much work with images, and I have no interest in that one. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:00, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

New branch on category tree

Hey, BHG,

While I'm bothering you, what do you think of this new branch on the Schools category tree, Category:Schools by type by country? Could be useful or redundant, I'm not sure. It's difficult with any "by country" new category system as there are so many countries that then need to be looked at and categorized. Liz Read! Talk! 17:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Liz, I think that Rangasyd's creation of Category:Schools by type by country is handy way of cleaning up Category:Schools by type, which was otherwise an unhelpful mix of difft types of attribute. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


Lamao kucch bhi :( Mr. Intelligent disrespect 1000 (talk) 09:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)huh

Sankey Collection

Hi, You have improved one or two of my articles in the past, this one has fallen foul of the deletionists: Is there any chance of improving it or even releasing it into article space? There are a lot of Sankey photographs already on Wikipedia and it would be good to show the origins of them. Peterrivington (talk) 20:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@Peterrivington, phrases like fallen foul of the deletionists are a very good way to lose my attention. They usually mean that the creator is annoyed that WP:GNG applies to their work, as it does to everyone else's.
In this case, I see no sign of any deletion tags being applied to Draft:The Sankey Family Photography Collection, so the statement is plain false. What I do see is the removal[2] by User:I dream of horses of several wholly-unreferenced sections. I'd have preferred to tag those sections with {{unreferenced section}}, but that's a minor issue: the core point is that this content is wholly unreferenced, and IDOH was right to take action.
@Peterrivington, I am sure you have good intentions, but the way you are going about this is all wrong. The best way to proceed is to:
  1. check whether "The Sankey Family Photography Collection" meets WP:GNG, i.e. has it received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject?.
    If he answer is "yes", then list those sources. If "no", then there should be no article.
  2. Re-write the article, from scratch, adding properly-formatted a reference for every fact.
Hope this helps. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:35, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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Skawinka Skawina

Hello BrownHairedGirl, I haven't made any edits on this page. Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinvidia (talkcontribs) 10:16, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that clerical error, @Kinvidia. I made a clipboard mistake creating the edit summary. I saw it as I saved the page, but by then it was to late to fix it.
I hope that you also saw my ping on the page(s) where it was you who had left the page in a non-existent category. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

That's fine BrownHairedGirl. I saw the ping on the page making reference to the non existent categories I added as well and I want to thank you for that (I'm not sure I thanked you earlier for the corrections made). Have a wonderful day. Kinvidia (talk) 14:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion of Disabling Categories in Draft

Hi BrownHairedGirl. I saw the edits that you made on my sandbox and I appreciate them, but since I submitted the Margaret G. Hays from my second sandbox, I just made the changes you suggested on that page. Thank you for the suggestion. Sometimes the end is only the beginning... (talk) 17:47, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, User:SailorAlphaCentauri. That helps. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
No, thank you, User:BrownHairedGirl. While I've been low-key editing for years, I'm really really new to working on articles. Sometimes the end is only the beginning... (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2021 (UTC)


Hi BrownHairedGirl. Thanks for your help...

LewisEisen (talk) 19:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:33, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Victor Yan

enough already --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Please do not reverse a correct collaboration. Check out the discussion session to which I presented the sources of the information and also check out the source linked to the changed information. The player in question gave an interview to the local newspaper telling his story and telling which neighborhood in the city he was born and raised in. There is no official document linked to the article, being that, therefore, the most reliable source. The source is in Portuguese, but I believe that in 2021 this will no longer be a problem in the virtual world, Google itself translates the article. [1]. --Alex Cambraia (talk) 17:51, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@Alex Cambraia, see WP:REDNOT. Please stop adding articles to non-existent categories. Then I will stop reverting your edits.
You have now been notified of this many times. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
@BrownHairedGirl Only one of the categories was listed in red. Wouldn't it be more productive and less misleading just to remove a non-existent category that was already linked to the source than to reverse a correct collaboration and leave false information in the text? --Alex Cambraia (talk) 18:01, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
@Alex Cambraia, the most productive and collaborative thing would be for you to stop placing articles in non-existent categories. Then the articles won't show up in cleanup lists, and I won't revert. Please stop making work for others. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
@BrownHairedGirl Ok milady, I understand your point of view: spreading false information is less important and harmful than leaving an empty link for a potential new category. Right! Perfect! I'll do it your way, no problem. --Alex Cambraia (talk) 18:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
@Alex Cambraia, stay off my talk page. I have spent lots of my time cleaning up after you (with an explanation on each occasion), and lots more explaining the problem ... but since your response is sarcstic trolling, please get lost. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:21, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.



Ah, sorry about that - someone userfied it for me at my request after they'd speedy-deleted it, and I haven't got round to doing anything with it yet! PamD 20:29, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

No prob, PamD. It's a quick click to fix it with the script. I am more than half way through a backlog of nearly 800 userpages in content cats.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:31, 1 April 2021 (UTC)


Hi thanks for noticing and correcting the live categories at my draft of Joseph Beecham‬. I am normally very careful about making [[:Categories and not [[Categories: - I think I've only done it once or twice in 12 years. I really should get on and finish the article. That makes me your April Fool for this year. Best wishes, >MinorProphet (talk) 20:31, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for being so nice about it, @MinorProphet. It's an easily overlooked issue. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:33, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Digital Markets Act


Thank you for your suggestions! I modified the draft. I hope that everything is fine now. Please let us know whether other sections of our article on the Digital Markets Act should be improved.

Ana.Rusu.97 (talk) 21:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)


Hi there, thanks for your help... I am a total noob on Wikipedia (I'm sure you know this already) I dont even know if this is the right way to discuss with you, but sick is life... So as I said thanks for the help, 2 things how did you even see my draft, I thought it was saved to my profile as a work in progress... nothing to hide as such, but mind blown... point and you knew this was coming right I didn't really understand your instruction and did you make the edit? Because it doesnt look any different to what you advised. As I say it's just a draft that I'm working on, I don't know anyone could see it but you help is most welcome. Hope I havent posted this message in the wrong place. Guess I will find out Nick M Rivers (talk) 22:18, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi, @Nick M Rivers:, see also my answer to #Roger Pryke below. I think the following explanation is correct, but I may be wrong. I'm sure I will be corrected.
Whenever anyone saves any live article / draft / sandbox which contains at least one [[Category:]], this automatically and by default creates a live link to your draft article in one or more category lists in Wikipedia mainspace. For example, if your draft has the entry [[Category:1825 births]], clicking 'Publish' will make a link to the live list Category:1825 births.
Although this is what the underlying software is programmed to do in all cases, it doesn't look professional to have un-approved drafts looking as if they were proper live articles. The quick and dirty fix is to put a : immediately preceding the category, such as [[:Category:1825 births]] : this temporarily prevents your draft appearing in the mainspace lists and makes it look and behave like an ordinary Wikilink. If there is no colon, the underlying software also creates a behind-the-scenes list of something like "User Drafts linking to Category pages" (I don't actually know). See WP:USERNOCAT.
User:BrownHairedGirl has been running through this list and adding colons as shown above with a script, without too much explanation for new editors. The whole procedure (I personally feel) is the fault of Wikipedia administrators and software maintainers, who could very easily exempt such pages with a line or two of code, (e.g. IF [user draft] OR IF [sandbox] THEN LINK=NO], (I might be wrong) but it has been like this for something like twelve years. I don't know why. Anyway, if and when your article goes live in mainspace, just delete the initial colon for each category, make an edit summary like "Making categories live" and click 'Publish' again. Your approved mainspace article will now be linked to the live list of all people born in 1825. This may happen 'automatically' anyway, depending on which process you choose to submit your draft. MinorProphet (talk) 08:17, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@MinorProphet Thank you makes absolute sense, I just jumped right in and got started by copying and pasting an already live page into my Sandbox, so as you mention the categories would have been live. The work around is cool too, I will need to update them to be relevant to the piece anyway but hadnt realised there significance, which you explain above :-) Thanks again

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Note of thanks from Spncrinc

 Done Face-smile.svg Thank you
Thanks for your suggestion to comment out categories on my draft page Spncrinc (talk) 23:13, 1 April 2021 (UTC)


Just had a quick glance at your user page: I also have my own collection of gems. PS Thinking about the mythical Grainne, I remember reading Rosemary Sutcliffe's The High Deeds of Finn MacCool (published only a few years after JFK was shot), and although many have kissed the Cloch na Blarnan I once (having been gifted at my birth with the silver tongue) made my way to Cnoc na Teamhrach and kissed the Lia Fáil instead. And here I am on WP... MinorProphet (talk) 23:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Someone who has kissed both is surely of higher standing than a MinorProphet. Upgrade that username!
I enjoyed your quote list. I only wish that I had captured more of the gems I read over the last 15 years. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Well actually, I created my username under the impression that Jeremiah (yup, that's almost my name) was to be counted with the likes of Jonah, Malachi, et al. Imagine my surprise when I realised that I was in fact best mates with Daniel,[citation needed] Ezekiel and the exalted Isaiah (at least from Ch. 40...). Incidentally, you are not the first person to suggest a name change, but I worry that MajorProphet would be full of doom and gloom like my namesake, or appear to be bigging myself up a bit too much (although you would probably guess that my real name wasn't Habakkuk), or even completely to be avoided. I would tend to be much more ready to say "Well, I told you so..." On the other hand, I might get some draft articles finished... MinorProphet (talk) 01:31, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Hey, @MinorProphet, I think that Habakkuk was a great dude. Mystery backstory, and a cook who fed Daniel. What's not to like? (Apart from the fact that introductions could get tedious, and you might end up like another man with an unusual name). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
Lol, as they say. My dad was a lawyer, so preparations for 'suing' someone is home ground for me. I really had no idea that Mr. H. Kuk and Dan the Man even knew each other. Just one of those things I guess, one of those biblical flings. But now it's getting late. MinorProphet (talk) 03:58, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Roger Pryke

Thank you for your correction/suggestion. - - never done that well with Categories - I do not understand your correction, but I appreciate it, and will follow it for other categories. Could you direct me to a precise reference which I could study and would help me understand. Much thanks again.Gladiator-Citizen (talk) 23:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi, @Gladiator-Citizen: Whenever you click 'Publish' in a sandbox or draft article which contains one or more [[Categories: towards the end, it places a link to your sandbox/draft article into a live listing on Wikipedia, such as (just for example) Category:British artists. As far as I know, this is a failing of Wikipedia's underlying software rather than anything you have done. WP is complex, and telling new editors about this small problem hasn't been adequately addressed. Since the content of sandboxes, drafts etc. hasn't yet been approved for main article space, and 'we' don't want ordinary users of WP thinking that your sandbox is has been fully approved, placing a : before the category e.g. [[:Category:British artists]] simply prevents this happening. If and when your article goes live, all you you need to do is remove the initial colon, and your article will be part of the behind-the-scenes listings of all articles referring (if only in part) to British artists. You could try using {{Draft categories}} but it seems like piling on another level of incomprehension to me. See also Help:Category and Preparing drafts. Best of luck. MinorProphet (talk) 02:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much @MinorProphet - very much appreciate your time and information - I will keep trying to understand - I am now quite exhausted from finishing the article but my energy will come back! (talk) 09:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft page categorization


Thanks for catching that. I normally mask the category for my draft pages till they go live, but I seem to have missed that in haste. Mea culpa. Thank you. Appreciate it. Arunram (talk) 07:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

I Have a Question

Hey, My Question is Why is your User Page section Administration ship Cut off Muhammad Furqan Butt (talk) 16:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Because Arbcom went on a rampage and desysopped me. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Link, perhaps? I'm just imagining ArbCom as a violent Communist Workers collective in the Philippines armed with machetes and billhooks, burning canefields and massacring the blameless officials whose families have been taken hostage by the ruling junta to ensure tax-gathering compliance. MinorProphet (talk) 21:54, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
@MinorProphet & @Muhammad Furqan Butt: see User talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive_057#Statement_by_BHG_on_the_ArbCom_decision.
No machetes, but lots of foul play. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
Moral: always be civil: being uncivil can be construed as a primary crime on WP: see The Execution of Mata Hari from linked discussion. If you can't be civil (and it's one of the very hardest things to do when eg tired and emotional), step away. I'm glad you're still here, I would rather spend 10,000 words in improving an article than in my own defence. I suggest you remove your heart-felt complaints on your user page and carry on improving WP. Arbcom doesn't care, your supporters agree anyway, and it's unsettling for new users. With best wishes, MinorProphet (talk) 23:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, but I disagree about that interpretation of civility. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, that's what it said at the top of the link. Sorry if I misunderstood. I wasn't being aggressive. I have scrolled through too many "yes you did, no I didn't" complaints procedures to take much interest. On the other hand, I know what it's like to be swift and merciless with little time to waste. But if you end up calling other editors 'liars', well, "I told you so..." PS Habbakuk has messaged me, suggesting we turn up at his for a pot of stew. Angels will transport us if no car. MinorProphet (talk) 01:01, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Category category

Hello, BHG,

I can't figure out how Category:Category got on Institutes of technology in Ireland or how to remove it. There are no recent edits to the page and I don't see how it appeared or a way to remove it. Ideas? Liz Read! Talk! 17:58, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: now fixed, in this edit.[3]
The problem was a wee glitch in some {{Update after}} tags added[4] by Le Deluge, which didn't show up until March was over. {{Update after}} really should warn about that error. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Some day, I'm going to stump you with a question. But it hasn't happened yet! Thank you for your quick work! Liz Read! Talk! 19:52, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
@Liz: haha.
That one actually took me about ten minutes. I started at the top, and ripped out the paragraphs one-by-one until the Category:Category disappeared. Inevitably, the para which removed the Category:Category was near the bottom of the page. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:58, 6 April 2021 (UTC)


Why did you specify ((DEFAULTSORT:Law by year)) with this edit? Someone just changed that to ((DEFAULTSORT:Flagicon)) but I don't understand why the Flagicon template would specify any default sort. – wbm1058 (talk) 18:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

@wbm1058, it looks like a clerical error by me, when copying cpde from elsewhere. The fix[5] by User:Maiō T. looks good. Note that the DEFAULTSORT is not transcluded, so this relates only to the categorisation of the template, not of pages which transclude the template. It's probably superfluous. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy notice

Hey BHG, always great to see your continuing good work. I wanted to let you know I plan to nominate the Category:Cultural infrastructure . . . category structure for deletion in the next couple of days; will post the discussion link in this thread once the nom is up and the cats are tagged (rather than hitting your talk with every individual notice). Wanted to let you know in advance as a courtesy so the nom did not take you by surprise. Will leave further discussion to the nom, and look forward to your contribution there. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:56, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, @UnitedStatesian, both for the headsup and for the kind words.
That nomination was my first thought when I first saw those categories. But then I did some searching on Google and JSTOR, and it seem to me that a) the term is in wide use, so it's not a wiki-neologism; b) it has a clear meaning; c) it is a useful way of grouping topics.
That's why instead of CFDing that category tree, I have been building the tree. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:51, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Category:Members of the Parliament of England (pre-1707) by parliament has been nominated for splitting

Category:Members of the Parliament of England (pre-1707) by parliament has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Furicorn (talk) 21:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Another category query

Hello, again, BHG,

One thing that has bothered me over the years is that if an editor labels a category a "Tracking Category" or puts an Empty Category tag on a category, it's basically hands off. It's left alone and doesn't seem to be subject to deletion even if it is empty, it is no longer serving its original purpose or is just no longer useful. And when I went to look for policy to support these tags, when a category is labeled a Tracking Category or when an Empty Category tag is appropriate, I can't find anything. A couple years ago, I did a search for how many categories are labeled as Empty Categories and I think it was 20,000. Of course, I think we have millions of categories so that is just a drop in a bucket but it shouldn't just be a free pass when we have procedures to deal with categories.

This issue came up today because an editor created a new Tracking Category which I'm sure no one else knows about and I went looking to see what the policy is surrounding them. Thoughts? Liz Read! Talk! 01:38, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz
AFAIK there is nothing documented, so you are not missing anything.
When tracking categories come to CFD, the approach taken usually amounts to "keep if the tracking function seems useful to somebody".
The fact that the category is empty is not a great guide to its utility. Many such categories just track errors, so emptiness is mostly just an indicator that it is well-patrolled.
What I would like to see is some requirement for documentation of a tracking category, explaining what it is for and how its populated ... and similar documentation of the template. Some tracking cats have long been redundant, so there is probably a lot of scope for cleanup, but in general they do no harm. Cleanup could also be highly disruptive, requiring a lot skilled forensic work ... and I wonder if that's a good use of anyone's time. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:04, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
I think what resonates with me here in your reply is whether "that's a good use of anyone's time". When I thought about doing a review, I was thinking more of reviewing categories labeled Empty Categories since I think most that's a tag that any editor could slap on any category but most editors wouldn't know about Tracking Categories which typically are for administrative use.
I guess it would help if I was more specific so the category that came up yesterday is Category:Articles using draft categories. It has been empty when I checked but after talking with the category creator, there is now an Empty Category tag on it so I guess I will let it be even though I don't exactly understand what bot is placing articles into it. Thanks again for sharing your encyclopedic knowledge! Liz Read! Talk! 02:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
@Liz, Category:Articles using draft categories is a good example of a well-documented category. It's populated by {{Draft categories}}, which isn't widely used, so it's often empty. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:51, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Category:Alopoglossidae has been nominated for deletion

Category:Alopoglossidae has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 15:46, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Request for help: local work needed. Namely adding election years to your local historic/current MPs...can you help?

Evening fellow project member, we have reached a consensus that the section Members of Parliament for every local constituency needs to list out the successes. To do this, we will form a comma-separated list (adding <br> if more than 3 successful elections in a row, so as to make a taller table line for any re-elected MP(s). i.e. always to show the elections, not the first election gain that person was voted in at. Since 1885 at least.

Could you let me know, clicking on this part of my talk page if you could help by doing the Seats in any given county (or counties)? - Adam37 Talk 18:47, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

If so, ⇒ INSERT: (if you'd like to keep this page as a tab open, to assist with doing a fairly old but current seat) ALL/ANY APPLICABLE OF:-

[after 1st two table technical (coding lines) left intact]...

! Elected/re-elected ! colspan="2" | Member ! Party |- | [[1885 United Kingdom general election|1885]] '''[add comma and paste from choices below/own copying and pasting based on results table, including BY-ELECTION WIN OF SAME PERSON, not new line like below, if re-elected]''' | [[1886 United Kingdom general election|1886]] | [[1892 United Kingdom general election|1892]] | [[1895 United Kingdom general election|1895]], [[1900 United Kingdom general election|1900]], [[1906 United Kingdom general election|1906]], <br>[[January 1910 United Kingdom general election|Jan 1910]], [[December 1910 United Kingdom general election|Dec 1910]] | [[1918 United Kingdom general election|1918]] | [[1922 United Kingdom general election|1922]] | [[1923 United Kingdom general election|1923]] | [[1924 United Kingdom general election|1924]] | [[1929 United Kingdom general election|1929]] | [[1931 United Kingdom general election|1931]] | [[1935 United Kingdom general election|1935]] | [[1945 United Kingdom general election|1945]] | [[1950 United Kingdom general election|1950]] | [[1951 United Kingdom general election|1951]] | [[1955 United Kingdom general election|1955]] | [[1957 United Kingdom general election|1957]] | [[1964 United Kingdom general election|1964]] | [[1966 United Kingdom general election|1966]] | [[1970 United Kingdom general election|1970]] | [[February 1974 United Kingdom general election|Feb. 1974]] | [[October 1974 United Kingdom general election|Oct. 1974]] | [[1979 United Kingdom general election|1979]] | [[1983 United Kingdom general election|1983]] | [[1987 United Kingdom general election|1987]] | [[1992 United Kingdom general election|1992]] | [[1997 United Kingdom general election|1997]] | [[2001 United Kingdom general election|2001]] | [[2005 United Kingdom general election|2005]] | [[2010 United Kingdom general election|2010]] |[[2015 United Kingdom general election|2015]], [[2017 United Kingdom general election|2017]], [[2019 United Kingdom general election|2019]]

At the very least our FTTP democracy thanks you for your very time in reading this.- Adam37 Talk 18:47, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

  • @User:Adam37, the discussion has had low participation, and has not been closed. Not even you has attempted to post a summary of the discussion.
So I am absolutely horrified to see that you have posted this message to dozen of talk pages. Quite apart from jumping ahead of consensus, it is a form of spam. Please revert promptly. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
This is a matter of timescale. Perhaps if you felt that you should have made it clear. What is the BIG change. Talk about loss of sense of proportion. The very issue our agreed changes FIX.- Adam37 Talk 19:00, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
@Adam37, the loss of perspective is your pronouncing consensus and spamming. Please revert, or I may need to escalate. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
I'll revert but only if you help form the sort of concrete consensus you are after. How can I second-guess that. You are logical. You are helpful. There's no need to tread beyond gingerly. It's really not a big deal.- Adam37 Talk 19:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
@Adam37, back off very fast from that line, because it's exasperating and infuriating. See the post I am writing at the project page, and which I hope to post in a few minutes. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
I assumed you had loads of time to read and think about Chessrat's opinion; the other two in favour. And the way Rushcliff would look, which is the same style, it's not a third option. And didn't expect the sudden interjection of what transpires to be an almost 100%-supporter of your objections. Who I know is not a sockpuppet as I do follow the articles for YEARS. It's just like being given a dog biscuit by someone that's all. You just could accede to novelty and fairness. Rather than keep whacking the drum for readability wins all. Our's is a lot simpler than the US and Canada ones. So reflect. Reflechissez!- Adam37 Talk 19:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
@Adam37, you have become a massively annoying timesink, and now you are trying to make more drama. I have no patience with this sort of game-playing, so please just knock it off and allow the substantive discussion to proceed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)]

Just apologise for your delay in Chessrat's point followed by his table and/or my same-time roughly point about it being a great solution and demolishing the concerns/points for the status quo. If you don't want to then just accept you have equally caused a lot of time and thought to be spent on something which looked like a done deal. In any court of opinion.- Adam37 Talk 20:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Adam37, the only timewasting is the disruption caused by your decision to unilaterally proclaim a consensus, and then start spamming. Right now, you appear to me to be conducting yourself as a malicious childish troll who has limited comprehension of both the substantive issues and the consensus-forming process. If that is not how you want to perceived, then stop making drama, and restrict yourself to concise contributions on the substance. But either way, stay off my talkpage: any further comments here by you will be treated as trolling, and reverted. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Flood category help

I'm currently in the process of working to implement some wikiproject mergers and accidentally made some duplicate categories for one thing due to a capitalization error in the original categories. Could you please move the categories listed at Category:Flood_articles_by_quality to have "Flood" instead of "flood"? Also, the Category:Flood articles by importance (lower case "flood" categories) for importance are empty since I changed/fixed the parameter. Sorry about that. NoahTalk 12:57, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Hurricane Noah, I think that the lowercase titles are correct. See e.g. the subcats of Category:Animal articles by quality. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:14, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
PS @Hurricane Noah, I have reverted[6] your edit to Template:WikiProject Meteorology, and restored the lowercase title for the assessment cats. If you want to propose a change, open a WP:CFD discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:38, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Journal of Paramedic Practice

Hiya, I would appreciate some advice on making this draft page acceptable for publication - I saw you've edited a few Nursing Journal pages, so thought you might have some good insights? Tannim101 (talk) 21:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tannim101, my edits to Nursing Journal pages werepurely technical. So I'm sorry, but I have no topic expertise to offer, and it's not my area of interest. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:37, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
  • No worries, I thought it might be worth asking Tannim101 (talk) 21:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

John Archibald Mills

Hello Brown Haired Girl,

 Two years ago, you posted an article on John Archibald Mills.  He was an MP in the Alberta legislature.  I have no edits for you, just a thank you.  I’m sure my grandfather would be quite flattered.
   Beeronysus Beeronysus (talk) 02:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Removal of Category markers when developing a page in sandbox

Hi There! Thanks for your heads up that I'd left the category tags in place on my user sandbox page User:Thedwan/sandbox. I was working on my first new article creation recently - Alex McKinnon Cup - and I forgot to wipe the Sandbox page afterwards. :) Thedwan (talk) 10:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


Having an intention to write an article concerning teaching English pronunciation, methinks, it seems to be exceedingly important to know tha authors of the most popular SBs in your country. I think, these are Ann Baker "Tree or three", "Ship or sheep"; English Pronunciation in Use ; Get rid of your accent; O'Connor and Fletcher "Sounds English Am I right? Is it possible to study it without a good instructor?Роман Сергеевич Сидоров (talk) 10:46, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

@Роман Сергеевич Сидоров: I don't know what you mean by "SBs", and I don't understand your question or why you asked me. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:48, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Need Your Favour

Hey, I have created a Draft Article: Draft:Bugha and don't worry it has Reference from Forbes, The New York Times, Arab News, Wall Street Journal, BBC , CNN, ESPN, and many more and i would like if you check it out and hopefully approve it Unnecessary Invention (talk) 11:50, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, @Unnecessary Invention, but that is not my sort of topic at all.
I suggest that you seek out editors who are interested in that sort of sport.
Best wishes, --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok :)) Unnecessary Invention (talk) 17:02, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

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