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Excuse me, could you add spencer porter, rodrick, Jane hayward, madison and mason macarthy, alistar, Myron and walter to the table of recurring characters in the article of the list of glee characters, please??? I cant, it's hard for me to edit, while I can only use a phone, my computer needs fixing. Thsnks if u can!! 😀☺ Zhyboo (talk) 23:15, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
😯???? Zhyboo (talk) 00:06, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
"Characters of glee" Zhyboo (talk) 03:35, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Harry Hamlin plays walter, by the way Zhyboo (talk) 03:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Harry Hamlin plays walter, by the way Zhyboo (talk) 03:36, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
I noted that the current Egypt Air crash article - front page of Wiki- includes national flags and knowing your interest thought I'd notify you. The article is EgyptAir Flight 804.Researcher1944 (talk) 11:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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Hi I would like you to explain what tone means as this article I wrote on this musician. I can pull out other articles that are written the same way?T Heart (talk) 02:18, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- You didn't link it here, so I had to dig it out. References for more of the claims would help. There's lot's of "Leonard would become" ...why not just "Leonard became"? There's would would would throughout. "Leonard, was interested to see how it would be in front of an audience entertaining." – (remove comma) ... this is just internalised. How do you know this? "Leonard was hooked" ... informal language, and again, internalised without public reference. "Teddy would get the opportunity to perform with ..." – that's a skew that suggests it was a big break, underneath the surface of this text, but it would be better to be plain and straight in telling the readers the facts. He played with ...
- Watch those awkward commas. There's another after "that".
- "In the outset of his musical journey"—At, not in. And "journey" is too poetic for this genre. Plain facts.
- Not grammatical: "Leonard became a self-taught musician developing his own style and form of the blues music sound, he spent in total 18 years with the Fathead blues band."
Tony (talk) 02:26, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- how about cutting me some slack... this was posted today written over a month and I am still adding referencesT Heart (talk)
How do I know it? I have referenced the actual article he was quoted in or did you not read this.
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- This was my first try on google scholar. Tony (talk) 02:58, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Tony, thanks for your edits. I wanted to kindly ask if you could remove the speedy-deletion tag, so that I'm not doing it as the original page author. Ryanckulp (talk) 03:55, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
I landed on Medical subject headings while editing an article that linked to it. I proposed on the talk page that the article's title should be in title case. Then I saw that you recently moved the article to change the title from title (proper) to sentence case. While that made me think thrice, I still believe title case is correct because the article's subject is a specific publication with that title. Would you mind taking another look?—Finell 00:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Let's use your recent edits for Hutchinson, New Jersey as an example. For starters, you have switched the standard date format from mdy to dmy for no apparent reason. As described in the edit summaries reverting your previous edits, use of flags in the article is entirely consistent with MOS:INFOBOXFLAG, Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline and Template:Infobox settlement, for both country and state. These changes will be reverted and should not be reinstated without discussion and consensus. Am I missing something that you see as policy that requires these changes? Alansohn (talk) 14:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- The date thing was a mistake. I wouldn't bother standing up to your fascist ideas on nationalism in infoboxes, but DO NOT revert other corrections I've made at the same time. Tony (talk) 14:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- AFAICT, the flags serve no useful purpose. Yes, the US flag might belong in the US article, and the NJ flag might belong in the NJ article, but the usage here appears to be at best decorative and two stages removed to be of any relevance to the article. -- Ohc ¡digame! 14:59, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Your mistakes include tagging the article with {{Use mdy dates}}, and then proceeding to change all the date formats using DMY, and vaguely citing MOS:LINK to unlink music techniques, instruments, and market terms that readers unfamiliar with the topic would otherwise not understand—in direct contrast to the guideline which encourages interlinks "that are likely to increase readers' understanding of the topic at hand". — ξxplicit 07:13, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
- The dates were already mdy in the article. What is wrong with tagging it as such? Why do we want links to "marriage" (twice), "wedding", "arrangement", "arranger", "Tokyo", and "guitar"? Tony (talk) 07:54, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
- Revisit your edit. You changed some of the dates to read as DMY, so there's '4 May' instead of 'May 4', '11 May' instead of 'May 11', and so on, intermixed with the established MDY format in the article. How do music-related terms not increase the readers' understand of the topic, which is related to music? Per points one and three of MOS:UNDERLINK, links should be provided in order to make "relevant connections to the subject of another article" and that lead to "[a]rticles explaining words of technical terms, jargon..." Music terms in an article about music seems appropriate to me. Additionally, unlinking Tokyo but not doing the same for Osaka seems like cherry-picking to me, as the latter is one of the top most recognizable cities in Japan not far behind from the former. — ξxplicit 10:05, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. That's inexplicable, since I don't manually change dates and the script has never before slipped. Why don't we simply link every word then, in the hope that some reader, somewhere, might want to know what "guitar" means. WP is not a dictionary, and if someone is that desperate, they can type it into the search box. This debate was resolved at community level seven years ago. Tony (talk) 10:52, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
- Revisit your edit. You changed some of the dates to read as DMY, so there's '4 May' instead of 'May 4', '11 May' instead of 'May 11', and so on, intermixed with the established MDY format in the article. How do music-related terms not increase the readers' understand of the topic, which is related to music? Per points one and three of MOS:UNDERLINK, links should be provided in order to make "relevant connections to the subject of another article" and that lead to "[a]rticles explaining words of technical terms, jargon..." Music terms in an article about music seems appropriate to me. Additionally, unlinking Tokyo but not doing the same for Osaka seems like cherry-picking to me, as the latter is one of the top most recognizable cities in Japan not far behind from the former. — ξxplicit 10:05, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Tony1. While I appreciate your trying to tidy articles, please pay attention to MOS:DATERET. Per this edit, you changed the date format of an article with a pre-existing preference evident. The subject, Constitution of the Republic of Crimea, has no MOS:DATETIES to North America, therefore you should have templated it for dd/mm/yy. I'm going to adjust the template and dating format to the one originally in use. Thanks for your attention, and happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:28, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- Wrong, twice, I'm afraid. It was a mixture. Look at the top box: "April 11, 2014". I harmonised. No ties to the US (not "North America", by the way)? Irrelevant. Tony (talk) 09:15, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
- No, you are the party who is incorrect: twice. One instance (the only instance) of mdy in the infobox does not trump five instances (that is, every other instance of a date in the stub). Unless there is a strong national tie to the U.S., there is no excuse for overriding the demonstrable dating convention because you've looked at one and have run a script to bring the majority of the article in line with a personal preference. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:55, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
- No, listen here: if you want to get pumped up about date formats, why don't you ensure that the article was consistent and not a prominent mixture. I did absolutely nothing wrong. As soon as I ascertain that it's not US-related, I go by a very quick survey. In this case, I saw mdy right staring at me at the top. I quite reasonably hit that button, and would do so again. Don't expect me to go picking through your poorly maintain articles just because you can't be bothered ensuring consistency. At least I made it consistent. You need to read the rules properly: non-US-related articles can be in either format provided they're not related to one of the majority English-speaking countries. Instead of causing trouble, you should be thanking me. I hope this has caused you to get the rules right and think twice before criticising, in view of your own slipshod curation. Tony (talk) 13:39, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- Tony1, I left you a courtesy message asking that you check articles and lists a little more carefully before running scripts. I'm not the page curator, nor do I need to be, just as neither of us need to be curators to copy edit any page. There are thousands, upon thousands of articles proscribed by neither ENGVAR nor date format. How can you even be sure of the fact that you haven't just stepped into an article that's been vandalised with a POV pusher changing the date and using the wrong formatting? Wikipedia is not a race, and going by the first date (or the first instance of the spelling of 'center'/'centre', 'color'/'colour', 'favor'/'favour', etc.), then being uncivil about someone simply making an observation really isn't on. Neither of us OWN the articles, but being bombastic and aggressive about "I was right, and you're wrong, and you should be thanking me" is OTT in any English language variant. I know the 'rules', but I think you'd do well to reacquaint yourself with policy. Don't concern yourself. I'm done with interacting with you. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:32, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- No, listen here: if you want to get pumped up about date formats, why don't you ensure that the article was consistent and not a prominent mixture. I did absolutely nothing wrong. As soon as I ascertain that it's not US-related, I go by a very quick survey. In this case, I saw mdy right staring at me at the top. I quite reasonably hit that button, and would do so again. Don't expect me to go picking through your poorly maintain articles just because you can't be bothered ensuring consistency. At least I made it consistent. You need to read the rules properly: non-US-related articles can be in either format provided they're not related to one of the majority English-speaking countries. Instead of causing trouble, you should be thanking me. I hope this has caused you to get the rules right and think twice before criticising, in view of your own slipshod curation. Tony (talk) 13:39, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- No, you are the party who is incorrect: twice. One instance (the only instance) of mdy in the infobox does not trump five instances (that is, every other instance of a date in the stub). Unless there is a strong national tie to the U.S., there is no excuse for overriding the demonstrable dating convention because you've looked at one and have run a script to bring the majority of the article in line with a personal preference. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:55, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi Tony I remembered your interest in Nationality flags appearing in tables on WP - the current report on the 2016 Istanbul Atatürk Airport attack (front page) appears to be an example. For info.Researcher1944 (talk) 07:54, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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I got a note saying I got an email from you, but I can't find it. I've checked three separate times now; can you resend? Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
- Adam, I didn't send you an email. I wonder whether it was one I sent you many months ago (it would have been SP-related. I kind of hope so, since otherwise who knows why this has happened). Tony (talk) 15:35, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
- It says 13 days. I keep checking, not finding it, then not contacting you immediately, then checking again. It does say it's the Signpost, though. I'd imagine the Wikicup, which has become a somewhat bigger project as there's no newsletter as yet. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:52, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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Tony, since you're one of the best on Wikipedia at spotting and fixing prose problems, I was hoping you'd have time to look at this essay, which I've also mentioned here. Any comments, including withering criticism and savaging of my improvements to the text, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:46, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
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Proposal to change WP:MOSLINK opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style
Greetings! Were you aware that a proposal has been made at Wikipedia Talk:Manual of style#Proposed revision: links within quotes instead of the forum where it belongs, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking? The proposal is to link terms within quotations, but I am really concerned how widely this sort of policy discussion will reach the people if it's not even discussed at its very own forum. What do you think? Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 16:01, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hi, I saw you have a problem with using flags in user lists of firearms. These flags are currently used in many of such articles. I suggest to start a discussion regarding this flag usage on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms talk page before changing many articles.--Francis Flinch (talk) 15:02, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
- User:Francis Flinch—MOS:FLAG discourages the gratuitous use of flags to emphasise nationality. Why are flags relevant here, any more than for clothing manufacturers? Or are the flags simply decorative (also discouraged)? Tony (talk) 04:03, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- I understand your MOS:FLAG argument and I am open to change, but I think a user talk page is not the right place to discuss your, mine or anybody’s ideas regarding the Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms. Please provide your input regarding the user lists at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms, so the style format of all related articles can eventually benefit from the outcome.--Francis Flinch (talk) 09:01, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- User:Francis Flinch—I'm not going to spend lots of time doing that, but I suppose I'll make a post there. What do you mean by "user lists"? Tony (talk) 09:07, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- User lists are the lists that contain which countries/military unit(s)/law enforcement agencies use the topic. A cite is required to make a valid entry. You do not have to change many articles. Time will help when a WikiProject agrees on a style format and many editors start changing articles. Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms started removing flags from info boxes not so long ago and I can see change at a remarkable pace. Be the way, I just looked and saw your argument is also relevant to many articles with user/operator lists regarding aircraft, tanks, artillery guns, ships, etc., that Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms does not cover--Francis Flinch (talk) 09:01, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- OK, thanks Francis. I'm not alone in finding overuse of flags, even to the extent of gaudiness. It's also a concern that many readers wouldn't know to hover their mouse over a flag to see what country it refers to (many lists don't spell that out in the table/text). But there's considerable opposition to removal at major sporting articles, particularly where lists are concerned. I don't touch those because complainants are vehement. Cheers. Tony (talk) 09:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- User lists are the lists that contain which countries/military unit(s)/law enforcement agencies use the topic. A cite is required to make a valid entry. You do not have to change many articles. Time will help when a WikiProject agrees on a style format and many editors start changing articles. Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms started removing flags from info boxes not so long ago and I can see change at a remarkable pace. Be the way, I just looked and saw your argument is also relevant to many articles with user/operator lists regarding aircraft, tanks, artillery guns, ships, etc., that Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms does not cover--Francis Flinch (talk) 09:01, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- User:Francis Flinch—I'm not going to spend lots of time doing that, but I suppose I'll make a post there. What do you mean by "user lists"? Tony (talk) 09:07, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- I understand your MOS:FLAG argument and I am open to change, but I think a user talk page is not the right place to discuss your, mine or anybody’s ideas regarding the Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms. Please provide your input regarding the user lists at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Firearms, so the style format of all related articles can eventually benefit from the outcome.--Francis Flinch (talk) 09:01, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Tony, please could you explain your changes to this article? The accepted phrasing in academic literature does not use a hyphen as you have done.109.69.8.99 (talk) 14:45, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for your inquiry. You might consider raising such a matter on the article talkpage in future (with a link here to that page, since I'm unlikely to have watchlisted it). First, the title should be rendered in sentence case, not title case. Second, to exclude the hyphen is a pretty jarring variation on normal typographical rules. Third, WP caters for non-expert as well as expert readers, and the absence of the hyphen not only looks strange to those who don't have to read it without every day, but makes the compound item slightly more difficult to pick up. You'll find many uses of the hyphen in this item if you do a google engram search (up to 2012, now). Tony (talk) 04:22, 14 September 2016 (UTC) However, on revisiting the article, I see that "includive fitness" and "inclusive fitness theory" are stand-alone units. May I ask you, what is the role of "human" in the title? Does it contrast, for example, with "animal inclusive fitness"? That might help to sort out whether the hyphen is appropriate. Tony (talk) 04:25, 14 September 2016 (UTC) The plot thickens: I see one academic journal that used "human inclusive-fitness". Tony (talk) 04:32, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Tony for your engagement. Yes, this well established biological theory is referred to as 'inclusive fitness' (and not usually 'inclusive-fitness', despite occasional examples such as that academic journal you mentioned). It is specifically the 'fitness' which is being described as 'inclusive' (inclusive is being used as something like an adjective). In the same way we might refer to 'human evolution' or 'primate evolution', we could refer to e.g. 'animal inclusive fitness' (as in 'inclusive fitness in animals') or 'Primate inclusive fitness' (as in 'inclusive fitness in primates'). There are general articles in wikipedia on inclusive fitness theory already. The article we are discussing is intended to summarise the application of this theory to the human species (obviously that species of most interest to anthropologists ;-). I hope this helps clarify the meaning and usage of the terms as understood and practiced by biologists and anthropologists (and thus the relevant usage for this article topic). I think the sense gets significantly altered by using 'human-inclusive fitness', and probably not in the right direction. If you need any more clarifications, please let me know. If my explanation is clear enough, please could you go ahead and reset the title to the original (with the conventional wikistyle capitalisation). Many thanks.109.69.8.99 (talk) 10:31, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
- I'm going to self-revert, given your arguments. I wonder whether you're interested in creating an account. We need every editor we can get, and in the sciences it's a bonus. Tony (talk) 10:50, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
- We could remove the need for readers to parse a compound term by moving to Inclusive fitness in humans. We currently have Sexual selection in humans, Mendelian traits in humans, Photosensitivity in humans, etc. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 11:26, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Tony, Adrian - that sounds fine, so long as we can allow existing wikilinks to the old title 'human inclusive fitness' to auto-redirect to the new title 'inclusive fitness in humans'. If that will work, I'm totally in support. Tony - I will consider using a proper account, thank you for the suggestion.109.69.8.99 (talk) 12:30, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
- 109, excellent. As far as I know, any "move" (change) of article title automatically creates redirects. I made a few edits to the article text: could you check them, please? If you need any assistance concerning the starting of an account, please ask. Tony (talk) 12:59, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks Tony, I have checked those edits and made a couple of minor tweaks, yours all being very sensible. I will look into the account situation and come back to you if I require your gracious help.109.69.8.99 (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
While I heartily agree that flag icons in the infobox under those in the Belligerents section are unnecessary I would leave the ones in Belligerents, to discourage those that disagree from strewing them about in the Commanders and leaders section. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 09:47, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
- User:Keith-264, thanks for your note. Which article? Tony (talk) 11:12, 18 September 2016 (UTC) Is it Battle of Culqualber? If so, the belligerents are all flagged still ... which raises the issue in the mind of the reader: why are some bulleted and others not (Ethiopia, for example, is not, at the bottom)? Looks visually messy. Tony (talk) 11:17, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Tony,
I merged part of WP:BANDNAME into MOS:THECAPS in an attempt to make things less confusing, only to have it rudely undone without any explanation by Prickzi, I have asked him or her to please, then, discuss the reversion on the talk page, which he/she has so far refused to do. Will you please enter your opinion on if we should leave the merger in place or why not to have it in place, here: ? Nancy Pantzy (talk) 01:18, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Not to be rude, but I had to spend too much time fixing an article to which I'm awarding the "Overlinked Article of the Decade" Prize. Tony (talk) 03:33, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello, how can I rename the page? (Alberthas7 (talk) 13:42, 27 September 2016 (UTC))
I want to rename the page Lala Hasanova []
From Lala Hasanova to Elizabeth Tudor
According to the WP:COMMONNAME the page name should be Elizabeth Tudor, not Lala Hasanova or Lala Hassenberg. The page name of authors should be their pen name, NOT their birth name see [], [] or []
Also, if you will follow the history of the page Lala Hasanova you will see that yesterday there have been made some changes in a body of the text. But it was immediately reverted to the last version by Materialscientist. However, I checked the source and compared with edited information, and found that the new edition was made correctly. Please check this link [Authors Guild]
Thanks (Alberthas7 (talk) 14:29, 27 September 2016 (UTC))
- I'm about to go to bed; I'll look into this tomorrow. Am I getting into a political minefield, though? Tony (talk) 14:38, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
No, of course. There is no political minefield! (Alberthas7 (talk) 14:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC))
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Hello Tony1. You did a script-assisted fix to 2016 World TeamTennis season that removed the flags that were next to players' names when they appeared in tables or the infobox. While I see the point in not emphasizing nationality without a good reason, using flags to identify tennis players is the norm, and this article now departs from that. The number of tennis articles on Wikipedia that make use of the flag of the country the player is eligible to represent in international competition when the player is identified in a table or chart certainly is in the thousands. Here are just a few examples:
Outside the land of Wikipedia, tennis players are frequently described in the media by their nationalities. It isn't uncommon for a television announcer or even a print journalist to use a phrase like "the German" almost like a pronoun instead of saying the player's name repeatedly. Putting all the flags back would be a chore for me, since I do not have a tool to do so. I don't want to revert any of the other edits you made, and I don't want to make them again myself. Do you have a tool you can use to put the flags back? If not, can you please revert your edit and then run your script again without removing the flags? Thanks. Taxman1913 (talk) 05:44, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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Regarding your recent date format changes to List of musicians from Chicago
Recently you changed the date format used by this article from abbreviated month names to full month names. I read MOS:DATEFORMAT to suggest using abbreviated month names for tables. "Only where brevity is helpful (refs,[3] tables, infoboxes, etc.)". Do you have another source that provides more explicit direction not to do this? --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 19:19, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
I think we addressed your comment at the FAC for Secretariat (horse) can you verify ? (And hopefully, support?) Montanabw(talk) 08:42, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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This one, which also shows that we need much better infrastructure for assisting good-faith creation of translated articles on en.WP. Anyone for a Wikiproject Translated Articles—somewhere that can provide real people to assist on request? Tony (talk) 03:03, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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Hi! I note that you changed this statement:
- In tonal music theory, a diatonic function [...} is the specific, recognized role of each of the 7 notes and their chords in relation to the diatonic key.
into this one:
- In tonal music theory, a diatonic function [...] is the specific, recognized role of each of the 7 tones and their triads in relation to the diatonic key.
I do not want merely to revert your changes without having discussed them with you, but I think that you are wrong here.
The case is rather clear for what concerns "chord/triad": more than once, a function is exerted by a 7th chord. It may even be argued that there are several historical reasons to think so. Rameau specifically associated his functions with specific dissonances: a 7th chord, for him, was a dominant, and a 6/5 chord a subdominant. Riemann had the theory of "feigned consonances", by which he meant that some chords, even if apparently consonant (i.e. triads), merely feigned consonance by supposing a dissonance without actually sounding it: the triad IV, for instance, was for him a subdominant because in included an implied 6th (say, F A C + D), a highly Ramist point of view; and the triad II similarly was a subdominant because it implied its 7th. So, I do believe that functions, especially at this early stage in the article, should be associated with "chord" rather than with "triad".
The case of "note/tone" is less clear and really depends on what you call a note, and a tone. A tone, for me, seems to refer to the sound of a ... note, while a note merely is a an abstract concept, in this case a degree of a scale. Functions, indeed, certainly do not depend on particular sounds, and they certainly depend on positions in the scale, the diatonic one in this case. The degrees of the diatonic scale certainly are abstractions: they do not even have a pitch.
Needless to say, all this might be explained further in the article, if necessary. I do think that this article is very much in need of a thorough rewriting. But this, IMO and as I explained in Talk:Diatonic function#Diatonic function, harmonic function, tonal function?, should start with a renaming of the article. (An additional argument to this effect is that functions exist even in minor, while the minor scale probably should not be said "diatonic".) Could you give your opinion about this in Talk:Diatonic function#Requested move 13 October 2016? — Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 12:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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Dear Tony,
I have called attention to our dispute at WP:ANI#User:Tony1. You will no doubt want to participate in the discussion.
Your recent edits, e.g. Ana Nahum, Concha Alós, have been moving the df parameter within Birth date and Death date and age templates – {{Birth date|1926|05|22|df=y}} was changed to {{Birth date|df=yes|1926|05|22}}. This is not the format given in those templates' documentation; all of their examples show optional parameters last. Changing y to yes is also unnecessary, as y is listed as an acceptable argument in the description of the Day first parameter toward the bottom of the docs. Is there a reason I'm unaware of for changing these? Nick Number (talk) 14:57, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for your note. I'm pinging @Ohconfucius: to anwer your quesitons. Tony (talk) 00:58, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Hello, I'm interested in the wiki page of Santiago polanco, the drug dealer, do you have any information pertaining the the page and if so how did you happen upon it. I'm actually in search of this person for personal reasons, please contact me if you do have info or just want to know more about my interest, thank you. Fraticelli72 (talk) 18:38, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Just hit a ec with you on the signpost article, I will reconcile it and then be gone. Montanabw(talk) 02:04, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Toni. I just want to know if the national flags on Andy Murray article is inappropriate too? I also noticed that almost all tennis players article used national flag next to their name.. Thanks --Stvbastian (talk) 10:04, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
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Please don't let me let you down. —ATS 🖖 talk 19:34, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- If I read your response correctly, you lean toward having done a peer review first. Granted, it was nearly three years ago, but the last such attempt got literally zero response; the FAC that followed then died on the vine. It was for that reason I went to GAN, where the article was put through the ringer I was hoping to see. —ATS 🖖 talk 01:48, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- GAN isn't much use unless someone good reviews it—and there are so many aspects to review. Getting the prose up to standard relies on your networking with one or two good copy-editors on Wikipedia. Perhaps you're more alive to issues of logic in clause construction having seen the criticisms. It's a form of disengaged reading (print it out, maybe, and go somewhere unusual to mark it up as though you're a third-party, fresh reader who will balk at those lacks of flow.
It's a good reason to extend socially: identifying copy-editors who might be slightly interested in your themes would be a start—then helping them out. Reciprocation is a fine thing. Tony (talk) 02:19, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- No disagreement in principle, but look at the GAN (which I forgot to link, sorry)—Location and MrBill3, primarily, were exceptionally tough, thorough, and fair.
- I believe this article to be among the best we have, and I want it to be the best it can be—it would be counterproductive at this point to let it down, or the encyclopedia, or myself. I've done a shit-ton of work; if there's a shit-ton more, I don't mind. —ATS 🖖 talk 02:30, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, I like that attitude! It does look ok, so you must have been fixing according to reviewers' comments. The lead is the hardest part to get right, since it's so thematically intensive and therefore difficult to organise and word. I do encourage you to keep working up articles like this. Nice. Regrettably, FAC has a very limited part of my wiki budget, so I'd rather be done for the moment. Tony (talk) 06:40, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- GAN isn't much use unless someone good reviews it—and there are so many aspects to review. Getting the prose up to standard relies on your networking with one or two good copy-editors on Wikipedia. Perhaps you're more alive to issues of logic in clause construction having seen the criticisms. It's a form of disengaged reading (print it out, maybe, and go somewhere unusual to mark it up as though you're a third-party, fresh reader who will balk at those lacks of flow.
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Hi,
I see you sometimes add this template, I just don't know what it means. Can you please tell me what its purpose is? Thanks in advance, LouisAlain (talk) 20:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
- The script I sometimes use adds this to indicate that day–month–year formatting had been chosen for dates in the article. Tony (talk) 00:37, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
- Ah, thank you for your quick answer; LouisAlain (talk) 10:42, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello Tony, thank you for your fixes on my translation from the Spanish Wiki article. While I was doing it, I discovered I went to school with her grandson! I see your dog is quite like my dog: water, walks and treats: it's what makes the world go around. Regards, --79.123.86.193 (talk) 12:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your script-assisted cleanup as seen at [] I noticed some changes that did not seem to "visibly change," but were highlighted as changes in the diff. Examples are: Line 54: delegation's and Senegal's; Line 99: Jammeh's; Line 133: Gov't; Line 189: government's; Line 208: Babili Mansa Are these MOS fixes? Were the vowels Cyrillic? I am clueless here, but having seen such edits in the past, I'd like to know what they mean. Got a clue or two for me?--Quisqualis (talk) 03:29, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Quisqualis, the "curly" glyphs were moved to straight glyphs—a subtle visual different. Don't ask me why, but I recall there's a good reason for this, as debated years ago at the MOS talkpage. Also, the date formats were inconsistent, so I chose one; let me know if you want any other changes. Tony (talk) 05:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- I got the utility of most of your edits. However, are you saying that the letters in the italicised words above had been curly before your edit? As in some sort of curly style of typeface? Looking at "delegation’s" versus "delegation's", which letters changed? All of them? Uh, dare we guess why they were curly in the first place? Editors don't have control of glyph styles, do we? I know this is impossibly ignorant of me, but I don't see any difference in typestyle between the two versions. Was the use of curly glyphs vandalism? Please straighten me out here.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Not the letters: the apostrophes. It's ' vs ‘ ... I think people have their "correct straight to curly" switched on by default. It certainly happens when people write their draft in Word and paste it into Wikipeida. There are roundabout ways of typing straights in with your keyboard, but it's a hassle to remember. Tony (talk) 07:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- Now I see why a script was helpful here. Thanks.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:43, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
- Not the letters: the apostrophes. It's ' vs ‘ ... I think people have their "correct straight to curly" switched on by default. It certainly happens when people write their draft in Word and paste it into Wikipeida. There are roundabout ways of typing straights in with your keyboard, but it's a hassle to remember. Tony (talk) 07:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
- I got the utility of most of your edits. However, are you saying that the letters in the italicised words above had been curly before your edit? As in some sort of curly style of typeface? Looking at "delegation’s" versus "delegation's", which letters changed? All of them? Uh, dare we guess why they were curly in the first place? Editors don't have control of glyph styles, do we? I know this is impossibly ignorant of me, but I don't see any difference in typestyle between the two versions. Was the use of curly glyphs vandalism? Please straighten me out here.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Who in Wikipedia is a good writer? I believe you are one.
I wish to know someone to ask questions about writing. May I ask you? If not, can you recommend some other users? Usernamen1 (talk) 04:26, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- Busy for next day. Depends on how many and what kind of questions you have. Tony (talk) 04:38, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Article: Donald Trump
Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in the article. I am not a registered Democratic or Republican Party (USA) member. I have pledged to not edit the article with the exception of improving the first paragraph.
Major questions: What is redundancy? Is it undesirable? Can a 2 sentence structure reduce redundancy concerns?
Question not asked: What specific language you think should be in the article, merely the above major question.
Background: Some see the word "politician" as pejorative or a loaded term. Others may want that type of impression in the article. I am, for the time being, not making a decision but merely want to address redundany. Trump has never held elected office and is not a career politician. Some believe that is reason not to use the term.
I assume, for the moment, that the term is used. I believe that if the term is used in the same sentence as President or President-elect, it is not optimal prose because of redundancy.
Base sentence, which I believe has redundant aspects:
1. Donald John Trump (1946- ) is an American real estate developer, television personality, politician, and President-elect of the United States. He is expected to take the presidential oath of office on January 20, 2017.
Instead, I believe that a second sentence should be used to expand on the first. This 2 sentence structure reduces the redundancy of the base sentence/sentence 1.
2. Donald John Trump (1946- ) is an American real estate developer, television personality, and politician. He is the President-elect of the United States. He is expected to take the presidential oath of office on January 20, 2017. (possible variations include, but are not limited to replacement of "businessman" with real estate developer or other ideas.)
Other examples of undesired redundancy are sample #3 and 4. This is redundant because the only wine that Trump sold was Trump Wine (just like the only political position he held is President-elect, never mayor or senator or a career politician):
3. Donald John Trump (1946- ) is an American real estate CEO, winemaker, and maker of Trump Wine. The only wine he has ever marketed was Trump Wine.
4. Donald John Trump (1946- ) is an American businessperson, businessman, politician, and President-elect of the United States.
Again, my focused question is that of redundancy and prose (if a 2 sentence structure with the 2nd sentence expanding on the first and not jammed together helps address the redundancy issue. No editor in the Donald Trump talk page has commented on redundancy and may not have the editorial expertise to make a judgement, unlike you. Thank you. Usernamen1 (talk) 05:15, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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