Talk:2018 Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario leadership election

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Tanya Granic Allen Picture

The picture of Tanya Granic Allen seems to give a very poor representation of her persona. In the current image she looks angry and vicious - as far as I can tell this detracts from the neutrality of this page. Perhaps someone can upload a picture that better represents the image she normally portrays? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honestly123 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

If the Granic Allen campaign is willing to donate a photo or upload one to Flickr with the appropriate public domain copyright, someone can replace this photo. Unfortunately this appears to be the only one available for her in public domain at the moment.Canadianpoliticalwatcher (talk) 02:32, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Tanya Granic Allen's campaign picture was recently added to Flickr, see here. At the moment I cannot insert it into the article, perhaps someone can?Honestly123 (talk) 14:10, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

It was uploaded to Flickr with all rights reserved, not under a CC license. Therefore we can't use it. RoyalObserver (talk) 03:00, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree that the photo should be changed. This photo is worse than no photo at all.199.7.157.111 (talk) 05:31, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

If you can find a better photo that is openly licensed, than please change it! Unfortunately we can't use the ones on Flickr due to their licenses. RoyalObserver (talk) 16:15, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree with RoyalObserver (talk · contribs) on this one. I don't want to say I knew from the beginning that this would be a point of contention, but having seen past debates on the topic of leader photos. There have been goofy or unfortunate photos of federal party leaders for years, and every once and a while, somebody will go in and change the photo in an article to that photo. However, this picture of Tanya Granic Allen is the only one that we have the rights to use right now. @Honestly123: if you can take a better picture of the candidate and allow Wikipedia to use the rights under a Creative Commons license, then we will absolutely use that picture. The problem is that all the other photos out there are copyright protected. Unless we get permissions from the owner of a "better photograph" to use their property, then it can't be uploaded to Wikipedia. Bkissin (talk)

The Flickr pictures' copyright licence were changed to CC0. One of TGA's official pictures was uploaded there with the permission of her campaign. Sorry about the complications. Honestly123 —Preceding undated comment added 15:03, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

OK,  Done. Make changes if necessary! [[File:Tanya Granic Allen Official Campaign Photo.jpg]] Bkissin (talk) 19:51, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, deleted again. Anyone can copy a copyrighted photo to flickr and then license it as CC. Said photo was copied from here. We would need an OTRS from that website to use it here - I have deleted it. Black Kite (talk) 20:20, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Caroline Mulroney

Should Mulroney still be considered prospective? She has already been endorsed by multiple people, and has accepted these endorsements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stampman11 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

She hasn't officially declared yet. Apparently will do so on Monday so wait until she makes an announcement.Nixon Now (talk) 18:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Former MPs or Nominated Candidates, which should take precedence?

So I was looking at the endorsement sections for the leadership candidates (Mulroney in particular) and I noticed several former federal MPs running for PC nomination (Paul Calandra, Parm Gill, Daryl Kramp, and Susan Truppe). This is not out of the ordinary, but I saw them listed under Nomination Candidates instead of Former MPs. Is there a preference one way or another as to where these figures should be? This also affects former provincial MPP's. Shouldn't their most senior position (Federal, Provincial, Municipal) be the deciding factor and we can leave the Nominated Candidates section for PC candidates who do not have any other higher position. The alternative option is to get rid of the Nominated Candidates section all together. I understand why it is there, given that we are so close to a provincial election, but I can't remember any other leadership election article that included that in their endorsement section. Thoughts? Bkissin (talk) 19:39, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@Bkissin: Personally, I think it makes the most sense that candidates should be listed under whatever is their most current political "status". So someone like Paul Calandra is listed as a Nominated Candidate since that is his most current political status, whereas if someone like John Baird were to endorse someone he would be under Former MPs. I viewed this as a logical extension of someone like Bart Maves' endorsement of Elliott, he is under Municipal Politicians since he currently sits on the Niagara Regional Council despite also being a former MPP. If people disagree with this system I am definitely open to discussion... this is just my $0.02 about what makes a coherent system.

As for the inclusion of nominated candidates, I think it is important in this particular election because we are so close to the next provincial general and there is a good chance a lot of these candidates may become part of the new leader's caucus. RA0808 ^talk_contribs 17:05, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @RA0808:! I can definitely understand both sides of the situation here. I'm not sure if I totally agree, but I'm certainly not going to make any WP:BOLD changes to the article. I'm fine keeping the status quo. Bkissin (talk) 18:07, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

This is a unique leadership race. I would argue that the nominated candidates have outsized influence in this race because of a) the weighted system b) the imminent provincial election in which they are active participants. Arguably, they are the people most directly in touch with the rank and file members in their ridings given their on-going election readiness efforts. I certainly think the status of nominated candidates gives their support more weight than their status as former MP/MPP (who's influence comes from the respect they command, which wanes overtime). In fact, I would argue that they should be moved up and be listed immediately after the sitting MPPs.Milton Chan (talk) 18:40, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I definitely understand the argument about including the nominated candidates, and I am not opposed to including them in the endorsement section. Though, at the same time, how will that look after the election. Reminder that Wikipedia is not news or a crystal ball, and having nominated candidates for an election that took place two years from now seems counterproductive. Regardless, I don't see a reason to remove them.

HOWEVER, I would be opposed to listing them immediately after sitting MPPs. That gives undue weight to candidates who haven't even won/lost an election yet. Bkissin (talk) 14:44, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Rules and Nominations

This section seems inaccurate. Currently it reads that they must be a sitting MPP or candidate, however this National Post article (http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/doug-ford-says-ontario-pcs-trying-to-undermine-his-leadership-campaign-by-restricting-new-membership-sign-ups) states that "But Lefton said the requirement is only that leadership candidates go through the same vetting process as any other candidate for the party. They don’t have to actually be nominated as an MPP candidate before the leadership vote, he said." Could someone confirm the rules and update? As of now, according to this page, Doug Ford and Christine Elliott would not be eligible. - RoyalObserver —Preceding undated comment added 21:40, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I think Lefton's clarification may have been added to the article later. Either that or I missed it at the time.Nixon Now (talk) 21:54, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Tanya Granic Allen

Is Tanya Granic Allen's last name Allen or Granic Allen? This makes a difference when we're determining alphabetical order. Nixon Now (talk) 19:06, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Granic Allen according to the Star. https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/02/08/tanya-granic-allen-announces-plans-to-join-ontario-pc-leadership-race.html 19:22, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Everything else I've seen lists "Allen." I believe the Star just assumed due to her lack of public stature. Therefore, she should be listed first. https://twitter.com/ChrisAReynolds/status/964188782252707841 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/tanya-granic-allen-ontario-pc-leadership-1.4535708 RoyalObserver (talk) 17:31, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

PC Leadership website has her as Granic in alphabetical order. I guess we can stick with that! RoyalObserver (talk) 20:23, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

As a note, when I uploaded the photo I took of her at the event and added it into the info box, I just chose the PC Blue Colour for her seeing as she hasn't released any branding. When someone see's the branding please feel free to update it! :) - RoyalObserver. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalObserver (talk • contribs) 20:19, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I have moved Granic Allen to the Registered Candidates section and added her to the infobox due to her registration with Elections Ontario. Her infobox colour is still the PC blue because I have yet to see any promotional material for her campaign. - RoyalObserver 14 February 2017 15:06 EST

Based on her website, I've changed her colourcode to C71585. It's (unless my screen is messing with me), the colour she uses in her accents all over the website. - RoyalObserver 14 February 2017 15:15 (EST)

She's not listed on the PC Party leadership website which means she's not yet official. Better to keep her separate until she's nominated (ie paid her deposit) Nixon Now (talk) 20:23, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

She's registered with Elections Ontario, which in my opinion (and traditionally in the past as far as I'm aware) means she is official. The PCs could be a bit behind. Regardless, we can wait. RoyalObserver (talk) 20:32, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Your opinion, but not the PC Party's. Elections Ontario doesn't track whether or not a candidate has paid their deposit. If the PC Party is "behind" it's not for us to get ahead of them. Nixon Now (talk) 00:51, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Seems like it's all official... Chris Reynolds reported that she is participating in tonights debate and that the PC Leadership Chair has confirmed that "Allen has cleared the $100,000 bar required by the PC party to enter the contest" https://twitter.com/ChrisAReynolds/status/964188391725305856 https://twitter.com/ChrisAReynolds/status/964188782252707841 RoyalObserver (talk) 17:27, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Oh, okay then. Nixon Now (talk) 18:06, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Mulroney picture

If anyone has a picture they`ve taken themselves of Caroline Mulroney please upload it. The powers that be at Wikipedia are probably going to have the existing picture of her deleted for copyright reasons. See:File talk:Caroline Mulroney.jpg. Alternatively, if the Mulroney campaign can give permission for the image to be used, that would be helpful. Nixon Now (talk) 20:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Nixon Now: For what it's worth, I've sent an email to the Mulroney campaign with information about donating a copyrighted image. No response as of yet. RA0808 ^talk_contribs 17:02, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Added one that I took at an event. Not the best quality (thanks crappy cell phone), but better than nothing. RoyalObserver (talk) 23:51, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Great work! Thank you! Outback the koala (talk) 16:25, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Candidates' Profiles: Background / Policies

Within individual candidates' profiles I propose to remove the heading for "Background" and simply start the narrative. In addition, I propose to bring up "Policies" section to the top and merge them with the background. Objections? Truther2012 (talk) 14:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

 DoneTruther2012 (talk) 15:16, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion of Granic Allens Page

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tanya Granic Allen seems to be moving towards a merge decision, so we will need expand these sections. Outback the koala (talk) 15:28, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Resolved Truther2012 (talk) 23:27, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Interim leadership section

Normally there would not be an entire section containing a single short sentence. Particularly when the exact same sentence has already been repeated. Unless someone intends to expand this section, I propose to delete it altogether. Truther2012 (talk) 19:18, 27 February 2018 (UTC)