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Colombian descent

Neuwirth is not of Columbian descent. Refer to http://conchitawurst.com/index.php?id=7 He made up a Conchita Wurst as a stage persona with a fictional biography. Please correct. -84.112.231.139 (talk) 10:12, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

No mentions of Conchita being born in Colombia

Conchita has claimed for several sources that she was born in Colombia. She has claimed this in her biography at her site and an interview for Wiwiblogs. There have been claims that she was born near Bogota, in the highlands of Colombia, in Spanish speaking media outlets, including El Espectador and Antena2.

I think this must be addressed somewhere in the article. --Javp87 (talk) 03:47, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

It will do in due course. AT present there is a lengthy dispute taking place (see above) that needs to be resolved with urgency before we can even get going on adding new content to the article. Regards, Wes Mᴥuse 03:50, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Remember that Conchita Wurst is an "art figure" persona ("Because of the discrimination against Tom in his teenage years, he created Conchita, The Bearded Lady, as a statement"). Wurst's biography is therefore a fictional biography. This is different to the biography of her creator, Thomas Neuwirth. If Wikipedia is to describe a biography of Wurst, it must make it clear it is an 'in universe' or fictional biography. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 04:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Meaning of the surname 'Wurst'

I think this should be explained to the English speaking world: Wurst means ‘sausage’ in German. The name comes from a Austrian idiom Das ist (mir) Wurst (lit. ‘This is sausage (to me)’) meaning ‘This does not matter (to me)’. The choice of name is therefore programmtic, indicating that Tom Neuwirth considers appearance ans sexual orientation as a non-issue.

He explains this in a chat interview at http://derstandard.at/1397521434127/Chat-mit-Conchita-Wurst

Question: Wie bist du auf den Namen Conchita Wurst gekommen? ‘Why did you choose the name Conchita Wurst?’

Answer: Conchita wurde ich von einer kubanischen Freundin getauft und den Nachnamen, weil es eben "wurst" ist, woher man kommt und wie man aussieht. ‘I was called Conchita by a Cuban friend, and concerning the surname, because it is sausage (=does not matter) where you come from and what you look like.’

I think that should make it to the article, but it’s blocked. 49.244.243.8 (talk) 12:41, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, I guess you also need to explain "Conchita" as a first name, coupled with the last name "Wurst" (sausage). Conchita is the diminutive of "concha", meaning "shell", but that has a very explicit meaning in Spanish: it is used to designated the vagina in a very vulgar way. So the name Conchita (vagina) Wurst (sausage, i.e. I leave to your imagination what it stands for), is clearly no coincidence...

Before imagination takes us too far, let me add that unlike sausage in English, Wurst is not used as a synonym for penis in German. 89.217.24.38 (talk) 11:47, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, I have heard it so in German, but rarely. It is in no way a standard euphemism for penis, and the explanation given in the interview is sound, because the expression is extremely common in Austria (less so in Germany) and it probably used twice a day by every Austrian, on average. 49.244.247.117 (talk) 15:42, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

It is very common in southern Germany too, especially in Bavaria. It's even pronounced the same way here ("wurscht" or "wuascht"). Bavarian dialects are spoken in a large part of Bavaria as well as most of Austria. The idiom das ist mir wurst is known in the rest of Germany, too, even if it may not be used as much – there are various alternatives which are more common in the north. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:15, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

And let me add that according to Wikipedia the name Conchita originally is a diminutive of the name Concepción. 89.217.24.38 (talk) 11:54, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I doubt very much that this choice of name is mere coincidence, although I cannot prove this hunch of mine. It is very much in a tradition of double entendre in the LGBT, drag and related scenes. As far as I am aware, LGBT people tend to take it pretty much for granted that the name of the band Queen is an allusion to gay slang, while many straight people live in blissful ignorance of this obvious interpretation. Freddie Mercury has pointed out that there are many ways to interpret the band name, and that the mentioned one is but one facet, but a facet it is. Similarly, it is fair to assume that the name Conchita Wurst has more than one facet to it. Clever, multi-layered wordplay, which often goes straight over the head of outsiders, is valued in several subcultures. So it is plausible, even probable, that the choice of name was influenced by such a consideration. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Wurst

While in German, Wurst means 'sausage,' ...

As a non-English common noun, "Wurst" should be italicized: Wurst. Sca (talk) 14:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

 Question: On what basis would italicized serve a better purpose than how it currently looks? Would this be in-line with manual of style? Wes Mᴥuse 19:49, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

See MOS:WORDSASWORDS. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:15, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

English meaning of the name "Conchita Wurst"

It might be a bit off-topic for the article but "conchita" is the diminutive form of the Spanish word "concha", which in addition to meaning among others things "mussle" is a slang word for "pussy", while "Wurst" is the German word for "sausage". So the English meaning of the name would be "little pussy sausage". A name that would probably be appropriate, and quite amusing, as the name of a drag show persona, but might be a bit inappropriate for someone intending on a mainstream music career under that name. Thomas.W ^talk 21:51, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I've merged your thread into this combined one, as it is covering the same issue and makes more sense to have them all bundled together. Wes Mᴥuse 22:07, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, I thought Conchita is a dimunitive to "conception" or "to be born/conceived", hence Conchita Wurst is "Born a sausage(man)". Sausage and mussels as one's name is rather amusing though. -- Sjschen (talk)

In an interview she explains, how she got the name and that she knows that Conchita is also used for female Genitalia. Judith Sunrise (talk) 21:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Video

Conchita Wurst at Eurovision Song Contest 2014.

I got some typo-problems when trying to ad this video. Can anyone else add it? The text under did not appear. Adville (talk) 13:18, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done Wes Mᴥuse 13:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Many people are curious about Conchita Wurst/Tom Neuwirth ethnicity. She is obviously not a Germanic, he looks like a Turk. Is anything know on this subject? I think it's pretty relevant to tons of peoples' interest--24.203.108.54 (talk) 03:45, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Is there nothing that comes up from a Google search? As we are dealing with an article about a living person we have to be very careful that we only write content that can be 200% verified via reliable sources. Without such sources, then we cannot speculate or even guess. Wes Mᴥuse 03:50, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Neuwirth's ethnicity may be judged more reliably from the picture from 2007 also shown in the article. Of course sources will still be needed if the ethnicity actually is to be mentioned in the article. 89.217.24.38 (talk) 12:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Many native Austrians whose ancestors are not known to have immigrated from somewhere else look rather swarthy, i. e., vaguely Mediterranean. (Arnold Schwarzenegger, for example, hardly looks like Marvel's Thor.) Neuwirth's appearance, as far as I can tell from the pictures, is entirely within that range. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:01, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

You can't really say what someone's ethnicity is just by looking at a photograph - well not all the time anyway. I'm British, yet I have Danish looks. I don't have any ancestors from Denmark that I know of. So because I look Danish, does that automatically make me of Danish ethnicity? No. The same should be applied here with Conchita. Until we know his/her ethnicity, then we should not speculate just by looking at a photo. Wes Mᴥuse 16:10, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, that was my entire point! Austrians, and Southern Germans too, are often quite dark-haired and not at all stereotypically Germanic-looking, so appearances can be deceiving. There's this waiter in a beer garden who looked Egyptian to me, but he swore he's born and raised in Bavaria and knows of no foreign ancestors. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:37, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

The beard is partly painted in, which is part of the overall effect. Easy to find pictures of Tom Newirth online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petercascio (talk • contribs) 23:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

As Wesley Mouse points out above, the question of ethnicity in the article will be determined by what reliable sources say. Everything else is just speculating. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:12, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I added a source from Wiwibloggs confirming Conchita/Tom's ethnicity as being Colombian, but it was deleted for some reason. Jjj1238 (talk) 00:02, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

That might have something to do with WP:BLOGS. A lot of websites are now using the word "blog" in their domain name, and people classify them as a blog which are not permitted to be used as a source, apparently. Wes Mᴥuse 00:06, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh ok, should I readd it then? Jjj1238 (talk) 03:06, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I suppose there is nothing wrong in checking their reliability status. See if other posts that they've written are accurate and verifiable. Then we'd at least know if Wiwiboggs is safe to use as a source or not. Wes Mᴥuse 03:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I've used Wiwibloggs as a source on many pages before such as new artist and song pages and I could've sworn they were one of the websites listed as "reliable" by the EBU or something like that. It was a few months ago I saw that so I don't really remember the details. Jjj1238 (talk) 03:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I've just check ProjectEurovision's list of reliable sources, and Wiwibloggs do not appear on it. Wes Mᴥuse 03:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

That is the fictional biography of Conchita Wurst, and has nothing to do with the real biography of Tom Neuwirth who was born in Gmunden (Upper Austria) and raised in Bad Mitterndorf (Styria). Judith Sunrise (talk) 21:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

That's weird then, I could've sworn I saw it on one of those lists. Anyways, I've used Wiwibloggs on other articles before, thinking it was considered a reliable source of information so I would definitely support it being added to the list. Jjj1238 (talk) 03:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

The list from EBu isn't really EBU endorsed, and they do stipulate that. They are merely advertising other websites that may be of interest to Eurovision fans. If Wiwibloggs is to be included as reliable, then we're going to have to do a reliability check and make sure they publish facts and not fiction. Wes Mᴥuse 03:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Ethnicity is hard to tell from a single picture. There is a video on Youtube where she meets her/Tom's parents. Judith Sunrise (talk) 21:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)