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1180 sailors or 1180 marines?

1180 sailors or 1180 marines? There's a big difference. I think the word we are looking for is marines, but I could be wrong. I seriously doubt they were pure sailors though. Alexysun (talk) 15:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The IJN didn't have a marine force in the 20th Century. Their naval infantry units were made up entirely of sailors. In memoirs of Japanese naval officers, including those who fought at Shanghai such as Ota Kazumichi (whose memoirs are in "Shikikantachi no Taiheiyo Senso"), they specifically state they are not marines but rather sailors assigned to land duties. Adachi1939 (talk) 00:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Adachi1939 I'm pretty sure that they did. They were called the Special Naval Landing Forces. The first sentence of the Wikipedia page for them states, "The Special Naval Landing Forces were the marines of the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN)". So yes, Japan did have a marine force during the war. Alexysun (talk) 03:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The claim on that wiki page is not even cited and only a bit further down in the article it reads "The SNLF was not a marine force, but was instead sailors who had basic infantry training and were employed in landings as early as the Russo-Japanese War and the Boxer Rebellion." If you want a more up to date source for SNLF and other Japanese naval infantry units I not so humbly recommend my own work "Rikusentai: The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Japanese Naval Landing Forces 1927-1945". You can even download it for free on Library Genesis. I briefly covered in the introduction how the IJN initially had a force known as "marines" in the Meiji Era before abolishing them in favor of the naval landing force system.

Whether they were SNLF or naval landing parties, they were all just sailors reassigned from ships or naval units (such as homeland training or defense units) to fight on land. Some naval officers such as Commander Takeda Isamu who was the deputy chief of staff for the Shanghai SNLF during the battle had studied with the IJA and were considered land warfare experts, but the IJN never classified any of them as marines. Adachi1939 (talk) 06:17, 4 August 2024 (UTC)