Talk:Gentle on My Mind

	Gentle on My Mind has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones Date Process Result January 25, 2022 Good article nominee Listed
	A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 9, 2022. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that John Hartford wrote "Gentle on My Mind" in about half an hour after seeing Doctor Zhivago?

This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Country music High‑importance This article is within the scope of WikiProject Country music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to country music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. R&B and Soul Music Low‑importance R&B and Soul Music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject R&B and Soul Music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of R&B and Soul Music articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. Low This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale. Songs This article is within the scope of WikiProject Songs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of songs on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.

Attribution discussion

I've removed the following from the lede. It needs a citation. It also seems to have too undue weight for the lede. If it gets a citation, perhaps it should mentioned in a sentence in the lede and have a paragraph below.

This song whose authorship is attributed to John Hartford is both harmonically and melodically nearly identical to a substantial portion of Brazilian composer Dorival Caymmi's 1954 version of his song "O Mar" (which also exists in a 1940 version that is orchestrated and more harmonically complex.) That 1940 Brazilian song has a structure of A-B-C-D-D-D-Tag-C, and the three D Sections appear to be the foundation for "Gentle On My Mind" which has the same basic harmonic structure (with some added passing chords) and the same basic melody (with some slight rhythmic variation.) This poses the question as to whether John Hartford was familiar with Dorival Caymmi's 1954 version of Caymmi's own composition "O Mar" and may have subconsciously taken its D-Section melody & harmonies and based his own composition ("Gentle On My Mind") on the earlier Brazilian song.

--John (User:Jwy/talk) 04:06, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 23 November 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure)​ — Newslinger talk 16:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

---

• Gentle on My Mind (song) → Gentle on My Mind
• Gentle on My Mind → Gentle on My Mind (disambiguation)

– All of the other works named "Gentle on My Mind" derive their name from the song due to its appearance. Usually the album gets top billing and the title track follows the "Name (song)" format (e.g. Born to Fly -> Born to Fly (song)), "Gentle on My Mind" has widely been recorded by multiple artists and seems to be the WP:PRIMARY topic for all things named "Gentle on My Mind". Between this and the fact that all other works by that name are derived from the song, I think the song should get top billing in this case. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 17:55, 23 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 07:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

• Support. We don't decide primary topic by considering what anyone thinks "should get top billing". We decide mainly on which (if any) of the topics are most likely to be sought by users searching with the ambiguous title. And the data most often used to make this determination is relative page views. I was going to oppose because no such argument was presented, but then decided to check on the page views myself. The song is clear the primary topic. --В²C ☎ 20:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

---

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Infobox and lead

• The body only sources the title as being "Washing Machine", plus where have you got the year from?
• Shouldn't a release date be sourced in the body and used here for original artist John Hatford (year only if nothing else is known), or add a note about what version was really released?
• WP:OVERLINK of John Hartford under songwriter(s)
• Remove RCA Records from the opening sentence since that is mentioned later on and instead add "for his second studio album, Earthwords & Music (1967)" with the wikilink
• Add a second sentence about how Hartford composed the song
• The third sentence should instead be the one about the song being released in 1967 as a single by Hartford, but source this in the body
• Follow the above with one about the lyrical content
• "It was later popularized by Glen Campbell," → "It ended up being popularized by Campbell," making this the sentence after the Grammys
• "The song then caught the attention of Campbell, who" → "The song caught the attention of Glenn Campbell after release; he" at the start of the second para
• Lowercase the Wrecking Crew per MOS:THEMUSIC
• Pipe Hot Country Singles to Hot Country Songs
• "by several artists including" → "by several artists, including"
• Remove the Elvis Presley version from the lead per lack of notability and add a comma before and for correct grammar
• "and was also" → "It was also" as a new sentence, but add some examples here
• Lowercase the Band Perry

• The entire title is not detailed by the article source, but it appears on the B-side of the 7" single. Since the infobox is considered a citation in of itself, I wrote the entire title.
• I've used the Cashbox review as a citation to clarify that the recording actually came out in May. The Cashbox review is from May 6, and there is also this Billboard piece from the exact same day that it details his touring to promote the single

Rest of the points also done.--GDuwenHoller! 20:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying the B-side part and you are correct in stating the infobox itself can work as a source, also good job on the Cashbox ref; the Billboard piece can be added there as an additional citation. --K. Peake 09:27, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

(

• Comment or view
• Article history

)

Glen Campbell in 1967

• ... that Glen Campbell's (pictured) version of "Gentle on My Mind" became the second most played song in Radio in the United States by 2001? Source: Cromelin, Richard (June 6, 2001). "John Hartford; Penned Pop Hit 'Gentle on My Mind'". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved October 6, 2021 – via Newspapers.com.
  • ALT1: ... that John Hartford wrote "Gentle on My Mind" in 20 to 30 minutes after seeing Doctor Zhivago in 1966? Source: Browne, David (June 16, 2020). "Inside the John Hartford Revival". Rolling Stone. Retrieved October 6, 2021.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Scottish Prayer Book (1929)
  • Comment: The image is pertinent only to the main hook

Improved to Good Article status by GDuwen (talk). Self-nominated at 21:04, 26 January 2022 (UTC).

• Substantial article, meeting of GA criteria implicates DYK pass. Article is well-written and cited. Only ping on Earwigs is for a long proper title. QPQ has been completed. Hooks are interesting, cited, and short enough for DYK. Morgan695 (talk) 00:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Modified ALT1 to T:DYK/P1 without image

Different Verse

Patti Page also recorded the song, and Glen Campbell himself re-recorded it as a duet with Bobbie Gentry on the album they did together. On those two versions, there is a verse I have not heard elsewhere, obviously written for a woman to sing. Does anyone know if John Hartford wrote that extra verse later, or if someone else wrote it but remained uncredited? I tried at one time to ask this of Hartford, Campbell, and Al de Lory (who did the arrangement on the Campbell/Gentry version), but they have all died now, and I don't know how to reach Gentry. Rich (talk) 08:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)