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In May 2016 the toc hierarchy was removed. I can see it was getting a bit much, and I can also see that the article should be updated to conform with ISOGG, but clearly the toc cannot reproduce the full structore of the ISOGG tree (where to stop? it goes all the way in to level 31, R1b1a1a2a1a2c1a1a1a1a1a1a1a1a1a1a3).

More information full ISOGG 2017 tree for R1b, open collapsed box at your own peril ...

Not sure how to deal with this, but the current toc is completely arbitrary (e.g. why does R1b1a1a2a1a2 in particular get a h3 section?) --dab (𒁳) 10:36, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Turns out that the vast majority of subclades listed are under R1b1a1a2a, so that the full tree becomes manageable if pruned to level 5:

• R1b*
• R1b1
• • R1b1a
• • • R1b1a1
• • • • R1b1a1a
• • • • • R1b1a1a1
• • • • • • R1b1a1a1a
• • • • • • • R1b1a1a1a1
• • • • • • • R1b1a1a1a2
• • • • • • • • R1b1a1a1a2a
• • • • • • • • • R1b1a1a1a2a1
• • • • • • • • R1a1a1b2a2b~
• • • • • • R1b1a1a1b
• • • • • • R1b1a1a2a
• • • • • • • lots of stuff, probably for a subpage
• • • • • • R1b1a1a2b
• • • • • • • R1b1a1a2b1
• • • • R1b1a1b
• • • • • R1b1a1b1
• • • • • R1b1a1b2~
• • • R1b1a2
• • • • R1b1a2a
• • • • R1b1a2b
• • • • R1b1a2c
• • R1b1b
• • • R1b1b1
• • • R1b1b2
• • • • R1b1b2a

--dab (𒁳) 10:49, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

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Error on Villabruna 1

The article says: an individual known as Villabruna 1 (or 1,215,433), within an Epigravettian culture in the Cismon valley (modern Veneto, Italy), who lived circa 14,000 years BP and reportedly belonged to R1b1a* (R-L754*),[2] This is not supported by the reference, which just says R1b1. To see the data in the ref (The Genetic History of Ice Age Europe) you need to look at Extended Table 1. In the PDF version the right side of the table gets cut off, but you can see it in the ncbi/nih version here. Zyxwv99 (talk) 04:36, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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V88 now known as R1b1a2?

Starting with an edit on 11:02 14 March 2017 (50-100 edits ago) user Dbachmann began making changes to reflect "V88 now known as R1b1a2" (previously R1b1c). However, I can't find any support for this. Does anyone more about this? Is it a novel hypothesis? Zyxwv99 (talk) 14:36, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

It's not a novel hypothesis, just a change of terminology. ISOGG is the defacto standard so we are following them. Megalophias (talk) 03:46, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I got it. Thanks. Zyxwv99 (talk) 03:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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R1b1b2a1a1 (U106) not listed

Promethease says that R1b1b2a1a1 is quite common for Western Europe. Shouldn't it be listed?— Wdfarmer (talk) 15:31, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Haplogroup R1b

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Haplogroup R1b's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Hallast2014":

  • From Haplogroup T-M184: Hallast P, Batini C, Zadik D, Maisano Delser P, Wetton JH, Arroyo-Pardo E, Cavalleri GL, de Knijff P, Destro Bisol G, Dupuy BM, Eriksen HA, Jorde LB, King TE, Larmuseau MH, López de Munain A, López-Parra AM, Loutradis A, Milasin J, Novelletto A, Pamjav H, Sajantila A, Schempp W, Sears M, Tolun A, Tyler-Smith C, Van Geystelen A, Watkins S, Winney B, Jobling MA (2015). "The Y-chromosome tree bursts into leaf: 13,000 high-confidence SNPs covering the majority of known clades". Molecular Biology and Evolution. 32 (3): 661–73. doi:10.1093/molbev/msu327. PMC 4327154. PMID 25468874.
  • From Haplogroup R (Y-DNA): Hallast, Pille; Batini, Chiara; Zadik, Daniel (2014). "The Y-Chromosome Tree Bursts into Leaf: 13,000 High-Confidence SNPs Covering the Majority of Known Clades". Oxford Journals. 23: 369–73. doi:10.1038/ejhg.2014.106. PMC 4326703. PMID 24896152.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 21:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Haplogroup R1b

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Haplogroup R1b's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "YFull":

Reference named "Karmin2015":

  • From Haplogroup K2a (Y-DNA): Karmin, Monika; Saag, Lauri; Vicente, Mário; et al. (2015). "", "A recent bottleneck of Y chromosome diversity coincides with a global change in culture". Genome Research. 25: 459–466. doi:10.1101/gr.186684.114. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |last4= (help)
  • From Haplogroup O-M175: Monika Karmin, Lauri Saag, Mário Vicente, et al., "A recent bottleneck of Y chromosome diversity coincides with a global change in culture." Genome Research (2015) 25: 459-466. doi: 10.1101/gr.186684.114
  • From Haplogroup: Karmin, Monika; Saag, Lauri; Vicente, Mário; et al. (2015). "A recent bottleneck of Y chromosome diversity coincides with a global change in culture". Genome Research. 25: 459–466. doi:10.1101/gr.186684.114. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |last4= (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 21:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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Recent changes

I have removed this stuff because;

  • the map seems dubious

Linguistics

Eupedia is not a source with any competence in linguistics justifying a citation in this field.HJJHolm (talk) 13:47, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 16:22, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

In Jones 2017, there is only ONE Narva individual cited, here the copy: "Latvia_HG2 =ZVEJ25 "Latvia-HG" - "Narva" - 5841-5636 cal BC , Zvejnieki, Latvia". 2A02:8108:9640:AC3:146F:5805:5720:EC06 (talk) 08:50, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

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R1b and Yamnaya

Map is OR

Administrator insists on keeping outdated theses in an article on R-M269

R-V88

"R1b1b (R-PH155)"

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Map of R-M269

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