Talk:Judith Reisman/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Archive 2

POV

This article presupposes that the work of Alfred Kinsey was "highly fraudulent," and as such is definitely not written from a neutral point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.226.80.130 (talk) 15:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Removed. Toddst1 (talk) 18:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Items to add on the 28th of June, 2011

Sorry if you wanted to make changes to the article; it's been protected until the 28th. But we can still add things to the talk page now and merge them later. -- Limulus (talk) 10:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC) Oh and do comment on the ones I've been adding if they are of concern. -- Limulus (talk) 09:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I have to say that putting my proposed edits here is quite nice; I can tweak them all I like until they're ready to go, people can comment on them before they actually go in the article, there are no edit conflicts, article issues can be resolved first (e.g. I can post upcoming reverts of good faith edit I plan to make too and then let them sit for a bit in hopes of generating a reply)... I think I'll have to make a personal policy of editing on the talk page more and then doing a relatively few move edits (crossing things off after they're shifted over). -- Limulus (talk) 09:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

(Infobox person)

It seems the NNDB was incorrect about her ex-husband's name, it's Arnold (I sent them a message about it). He passed away in April: See also [http://www.amazon.com/Arnold-Reisman/e/B001KMGUCO] -- Limulus (talk) 07:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC) Looks like he had a Wikipedia page, but it's unfortunately since been deleted Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Arnold_Reisman_(2nd_nomination). Text was this: -- Limulus (talk) 07:35, 23 June 2011 (UTC) Just had a look at ancestry.com; while they don't show you much if you're not a member, their free search does show a divorce between Judith A Reisman and Arnold Reisman in Cuyahoga County ("county of decree") in the "Ohio Divorce Index, 1962-1963, 1967-1971, 1973-2007". -- Limulus (talk) 08:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC) AHA! You can search Ohio divorces here Searching for Judith Reisman in Cuyahoga shows a "Date of Decree" of "07/10/79" Now we can use this in the infobox:

Arnold Reisman (married 1954, divorced 1979)^{[22][32][33][34]}

-- Limulus (talk) 08:33, 23 June 2011 (UTC) Interestingly, as per the marriage search (which only has info from 1970-1990) it looks like he remarried in 1980. -- Limulus (talk) 09:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

(Lede)

Regarding "debunk" I found another ref^[35]

"Dr. Judith Reisman, Debunker of Kinsey Sex Research, Advises Catholic Church to Sue the Sex Experts for Medical Malpractice" (The "Catholic Citizens of Illinois" group to which the article is attributed (authored by their Vice President) is mentioned a few times on Wikipedia, e.g. in Tom_Roeser and William Anthony Donohue so at least somewhat notable) so regardless of whether you feel that Reisman's views have any merit or not, that she has 'endeavored to debunk Kinsey' is well supported. -- Limulus (talk) 06:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

This article used the word debunk in a novel sense. It usually means to reveal the fallacies of pseudoscience; Reisman used it to mean attacking genuine scientific research that produced findings she found distasteful. -- Donfbreed (talk) 21:29, 23 June 2011

As per Debunker, "A debunker is an individual who attempts to discredit and contradict claims as being false, exaggerated or pretentious." In the "Education and experience" we quote Reisman saying that sexology is a pseudoscience; she really believes that she is exposing falsehoods (note the one ref used right now describes her as "the much debunked Kinsey debunker" which I think illustrates the use of the word nicely). Still, maybe we should go back to this revision of the lede: and remove "the much debunked Kinsey debunker" mention in the ref (which is also being used for the Gruenhagen quote). Would anyone else care to comment? -- Limulus (talk) 04:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

If we switch back to the 429719282 revision I prefer the current "Noted as" instead of the more bulky "She is considered to be" -- Limulus (talk) 04:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Children in the Kinsey reports

Name "Allegations About Childhood Data" ref "controversy2" -- Limulus (talk) 09:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Sources of child sexual abuse

When Playboy and Penthouse published nude photos of Madonna in 1985, Reisman warned that because of the entertainer's idolization by youth, their publication would destigmatize and "encourage voluntary display by youngsters," leading to an increase in child pornography.^[36] -- Limulus (talk) 09:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Pornography and homosexuality

Probably should tack a "—Judith Reisman, 1994" on the blockquote just before the ref. -- Limulus (talk) 17:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Mapplethorpe exhibition obscenity trial

obscenity -> obscenity -- Limulus (talk) 08:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Litigation against the Kinsey Institute

In 1991 Reisman, with an attorney from the Rutherford Institute, sued the Kinsey Institute, its then director June Reinisch and Indiana University for defamation as well as intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress regarding alleged attempts to censor her book Kinsey, Sex and Fraud.^[37] The case was ultimately dismissed with prejudice in 1994.^[38][39] -- Limulus (talk) 09:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

This should go right after the Mapplethorpe section as it followed chronologically. -- Limulus (talk) 17:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

On her site, Reisman also mentions a Playboy libel suit -- Limulus (talk) 07:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC) But I note on closer reading that she was not directly involved in the lawsuit (it was by Playboy against the Dutch religious broadcaster Evangelische Omroep over a program which had a Reisman interview in it; "Playboy Lost to Reisman!" is a bit of an overstatement) and as I'm having difficulty finding other refs, it can probably be skipped for the article (anyone wanting to learn Reisman trivia can certainly visit her linked site, ne?) -- Limulus (talk) 17:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

See also

• Fairfax High School (Los Angeles), which Reisman attended.^[22] -- Limulus (talk) 09:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
• Los Angeles City College, which Reisman attended.^[22] -- Limulus (talk) 06:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
• University of Haifa, at which Reisman was an Associate Professor.^[22] -- Limulus (talk) 06:59, 23 June 2011 (UTC)