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Archive 1

Archive 2

Major cleanup July 2010

I belong to telga sub caste of kapu which is classified as forward caste by government of andhrapradesh as per this wiki it states telaga/balija comes under backward castes which is not correct. please see the below link.We are still fighting to include us in BC list since many years. This wiki will guide many balija/telaga and they may try to avail reservation for which they are not qualified yet http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130517/news-current-affairs/article/reddys-piggyback-kapus

Editing

I requetsed the Users to edit tht article several times. Unsubstantiated claims, hype and imaginary glory abound in the article. Controversial matters such as Chola descent, affiliation of Krishnadevaaraya, Thanjavur nayaks, Kattabomman etc need to be supported by solid proof. "Naidu" is often confused to be a caste, similar to that of "Reddy". These were titles prevalent in many other groups. Users are requested to be objective, historical and dispassionate. Users should give references as MathewVanitas indicated.Kumarrao (talk) 12:48, 1 August 2010 (UTC) Sometimes popular stories may have some truth in it. Such thing can be metioned as some belive in the story. In indian caste system surnames and gothras are important.

Kumar rao is totally against kapu caste he always boast about his caste and removes whatever content that reflects kapu caste glory, mr kumar rao i know you are pro kamma guy and want to demoralise kapu caste people i dont know why you intrude this page though you are not from this caste, please stay away from this page we request wiki pedia to ban you from writing anyt content, please mind your kamma caste wiki

Balija and telaga castes are still comes under forward caste and dont know why people editied and included these castes under BC one more thing is kamma and reddy also shudra castes like kapu and even their poluation is very small compared to kapu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suneelcv (talk • contribs) 05:11, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Starting over

Well, there has been enough warning. I have gutted the thing of all content for which maintenance tags etc have existed since at least May of this year. Sure, there was a list of supposed sources at the end but no-one has made an attempt to convert them into footnotes. Let's start over, and do it properly this time. - Sitush (talk) 16:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC) This guy kumarRao is pro kamma guy he don't know any thing about kapu caste This guy is concealing the facts and degrading other castes. Wikipedia please don't allow other caste guys to write about kapu caste. Shudra is banned word in idia this guy often refer kapu caste to shudra we are filing defamatory case against this guy kumarrao and also wikipedia

Order

At last there is a semblence of order.Kumarrao (talk) 14:21, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Use of term "Shudra"

As per Government of India laws, the word Sudhra must not be used to degrade any caste. Wikipedia can be taken to court in India with possible penalties if the word Sudhra is used to degrade any caste.

Government of India has made it mandatory in 1950 itself not to classify Hindu castes using the Varna system such as Kshtriya, Brahmin, Vysya and Sudhra which is controversial classification of castes.

However here is Wikipedia some Editors, seem to be freely using the ancient Varna system (which was created during medieval times and before that) to classify Hindu castes now in 21st century Internet Age. I would request the Super Editors and Owners of Wikipedia to remove mention of Varna system to classify Hindu castes, as it is not only controversial but also breaks the Laws of Government of India. Never mention the word Sudhra or any classification under the ancient Varna system in any caste article in Wikipedia, otherwise Wikipedia could be taken to court in India.

Above write up by user RK78

Please read WP:CENSORED and WP:NLT. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 21:17, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

If so why this page locked by Wikipedia with defamatory content "SHUDRA" nobody could edit this page except Wikipedia this is enough to file a defamatory case against Wikipedia and kumaarrao - Unsiged comment by User:Suneelcv 20 May 2013. Comment was repeated many times, here reduced to only one copy.

This man Sitush has been doing a lot of mischief in many pages including that of castes in Kerala as well as information about Christian religion.

The fact is that most of the books written by British administrators, including The Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India, Native life in Travancore, The Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India, ETHNOGRAPHIC NOTES in Southern India,

as well as The Travancore State Manual

do mention the word Sudra. And this word is not seen as an untouchable as this man seems to think. Sudras were only the last of the four caste Aryan Varna system. However there were a lot of other castes under them.

All the above books are available for free download online.

The contention that the Indian government is going to put a case against the Wikipedia for mentioning this word is utter nonsense. This man has been rampantly deleting a lot of information on Wikipedia under some grand feeling that he has been entrusted to protect the Wikipedia. What is the right word for this mentality is not known. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.204.90.85 (talk) 15:48, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Not willing to listen to Other's point of view, is this Wikipedia's crony democracy.

I think Sitush you are not willing to listen to another editor's point of view.

You are also not quoting any proper recognized sources to prove that Balija and Kapu were Sudhras or belonged to which Varna. Still you seem to be classifying Balija and Kapu are Sudhras without proper, authentic, government supported sources to prove.

I am willing to listen, although I don't think it was me who added the sources here. What is wrong with them? - Sitush (talk) 11:16, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is losing respect day by day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rk78 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

What has that got to do with the content that you were deleting & which is sourced to much more recent works? - Sitush (talk) 15:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

For example, look at this quote

Aside from noting that the Kapu were a high caste agricultural Shudra community, Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya recorded in 1896 that in common with others of their type in the "Telegu country",

How can one trust a source like Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya who said something in 1896 (112 years ago) that Kapu are high caste agricultural Shudra community. If you read the wiki article on Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya, it is very clear that he was a deeply biased.

Now in 21st century, after 112 years the great Wikipedia is happily quoting a biased person like Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya as a good source of knowledge - is this the standards one excepts from Wikipedia.

If Wikipedia has to retain some respect then delete any content which is not strictly authentic, not accurate.

There is no proper standard even among Wikipedia admins. One Admin would dismiss a quote written in a well researched book published by a government agency in 1901 as old source, while another admin will even except a arbitrary quote made by a arbitary person without any proof as authentic source.

Balija and telaga castes are still comes under forward caste and dont know why people editied and included these castes under BC one more thing is kamma and reddy also shudra castes like kapu and even their poluation is very small compared to kapu

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Suneelcv (talk • contribs) 05:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

That information and alleged source does not seem to appear in this article. - Sitush (talk) 22:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 May 2013

This is in the article history. No need to copy/paste long screeds here. - Sitush (talk) 13:28, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Telagas are the most ancient Warrior clan of the Deccan and South India who specialised in warfare and took to agriculture during times of peace and belongs to forward caste Trilinga -> Telinga -> Telanga -> Telaga (It is a Country of Telaga People) Trilinga -> Telangu -> Telungu -> Telugu (It is a language of Telanga People) Present Day Telanga + Anemu(well/high place) = Telanganamu = Telangana (this is the Ancient Horizon Place of Telugu People who are calling now as Telagas) The Origin of the Telagas can be traced back to the Western Chalukyan Expansion into Andhra region which happened in the 6th century A.D. The term Telaga was a derivation of the word Telingana.[4] Andhra was referred to as Telingana in the ancient texts as it was the area that had three major Shivinsa-Aramas, thus was called Tri-Linga', and the people living there were called Telugus and the language spoken by the people there was called Telugu.It is easy to see from this that the Telugu warriors came to regarded as Telagas par excellence. They ruled the Telugu country for most part of the medieval ages in the form of Telugu Chodas and were the foundation on which the Chalukyan Empire flourished. The Telagas served as Nayakulu (Governors), commanders and vassals of the Western Chalukya rulers under Pulakesin. These commanders were also called Telugu Nayakulu from which the community name Telaga have been derived. They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas. The vassals of Chalukyas entered into matrimonial alliances, and ultimately established the Chalukya- Chola Dynasty. They formed the bulwark of ancient armies of the Deccan and South India like Cholas, Chalukyas, Kakatiyas, Vijaynagar, Nayaks Kings etc. Some of the ruling Dynasities are Telugu Chodas The Telugu Cholas ruled the various regions of Andhra for more than four centuries. Important ruling Clans were:- Velanati Cholulu of Palnadu War who supported Bramha Naidu in his war against the Nalagam Raju. They ruled over Velanadu Renati Cholas of Renadu who rules over the current Cuddapah, Prakasam and Kurnool Regions Konidena Cholas ruler from the current Guntur region. Nannuru Cholas Nellore Chola Kings Kolanu Kings ruled the area between Krishna Godavari Rivers Kona Kings ruled the present Konaseema area Koppula Chiefs ruled the Polunati seema present pitapuram area Musunuri Nayaks Korukonda Nayaks Nayak Kings of Madurai, Tanjore, Chenji, Kandy and Vijayanagar. After the fall of the Eastern Chalukyan kingdoms and the Velanati Cholas. The Telagas served as vassals/Governors during the Kakateeyas. They were given the title Nayaka/Nayakudu and played a major role in shaping the history of modern Andhra. After the fall of the Kakateeyas, the Telagas, under Kaapaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka, led the battle against the invading Bahamanis by combining forces with the Balija, Reddy, Velama and Kamma Nayaks, and liberated the Andhra country. Telagas had matrimonial Alliances with the Kakateeya and Vijayanagar Rulers. Araveeti Rama Raya the son in law of Krishna Devaraya and the ruler of the last dynasty of Viajayanagar was a Telaga. This family was an Eastern Chalukyan Fuedataory called the Arayeti Family which became Araveeti in due course of time. With Vijayanagara coming into power the Telagas served under the new rulers and were dispatched off to protect the far-flung regions of the empire to Tamil Nadu and were posted as Nayaks and took up Administration as Nayaks/Nayakers. The most famous Telaga general was Viswanatha Nayaka who started the Madurai Nayak Dynasty After the fall of the Vijayanagar Empire in the Battle of Talikota large sections of Telagas migrated towards the North and settled down in their native region of the Godavari deltas and took to agriculture while some of them went further South and settled down in the Madhurai and Tanjavur region and joined the Nayak King army. Telagas are known for their bravery and fearlessness aptly put by a famous Telugu saying describing the community "Teginche vade Telaga" which means "One who dares is a Telaga". Even now, one can find swords, armour and weapons with some of the Telaga families in Rajamundry. All of these people are Vaishnavas and have Sri Venugopala Swami as their family deity. Most of their surnames represents the names of weapons used by this warrior community. Another legendary instance of Telaga bravery was exhibited during the Bobbili War, fought between the Velama Kingdom and the Vizianagaram Kingdom, led by Vijayaram Raju. Telagas warriors are the principal combatants of the Bobbilli war. When all seemed lost for the Bobbilli, Ranga Rayudu, the Bobbili king, before riding out to war, in no mood to submit the honour and the dignity of the Royal House, ordered all of his commanders to execute their families before riding out to meet their fate. Accordingly the Telaga and Velama commanders and soldiers executed their families before proceeding out to war. King Vijayaramaraju was laid to rest by a valiant Telaga commanders Miriyala Sitanna, padala ramudu along with Papa Rayudu. Pulakesin II’s brother, Kubja Vishnu Vardhana, founded the Eastern Chalukya Empire after he was appointed Viceroy of Vengi, and gave many of his trusted generals fiefdoms to rule over as his vassals, and took up reign as Telaga Nayakulu (Governors). Most of the Telagas are feudal landlords concentrated mainly in the coastal areas of Andhra. Because of their warrior past and valiant fighting nature most Telagas were recruited in the British army as Major, Nayak Subhedars, Naikers etc. before India's independence. Telagas are very prominent in the Madras Regiment of British India army. Even now the Police and Indian Army recruits Telagas in large numbers from rural areas. Padma Bhushan Colnal C. K. Naidu (Cottari Kanakaiah Naidu)was the First captain of India Cricket team is a Telaga. C K Nayudu was tall right-handed batsman and a useful change bowler. He was a batsman who could hit the ball tremendously hard and as a leader he has become famous. He was the first cricketer to be honored with the Padma Bhushan. The Telugu movie mogul Padma Bhushan, Mega Star Dr. Chiranjeevi (Konidala Siva Sankara Vara Prasad), recipient of Padma Bhushan for his social service, hails from West Godavari district belongs to Telaga Community. The famous social reformer ( 19th-20th century) Raghupathi Venkata Ratnam Naidu belongs to Telaga community. He also pioneered the Telugu movie industry. Rao Bahaddur Dr Sir Kurma Venkata Reddy Naidu former Chief Minister and Governer of the Madras Presidency during the British Rule is a prominent Telaga. See List of Telagas [edit] Telaga Surnames and Titles Putta, Thammichetty, Pulaparthi, Kammula, tekkem, tekkam, kodi, jetty, vannemreddy,chandana,puppala,yedumambakula,galla,padavala,sanku,seerla, siddineni,Papolu,Lingampalli,Mediboyina, Amarapalli,Sevvana,Soorabathula,pidugu,poojari, kandula, kanchumarthi, gundugula, kathula, Munukoti, ventrapati,karasudula , pediredla, sundara, kondapu, kondisetti,sandrani, sarvisetty, pedapati,keerthi, chodiseti, baipineedi, vogeti, mutangi, pothula, mandiga, kotti, kunche, chebrolu, ramineedi, manchala, Avireddi, Medicherla, Palasala, Kakarlamudi, Sistha, Namburi, Rokkam, Busi, Pinapatruni, Adatrao, Mondrety, Bandaru, Jonnakuti, Gogisetty, Janyavula, Jannavula, Taladi, Ravuri, Nagisetty, kommana, Pasupuleti, Redrauthu, Darapureddy, Ramanjana, Dhulipudi, Sammeta, Kalisetty, KatikiReddy, MuppiriSetty, Ikkurthi, kosana, gundubilli, gontu, Chikkala, Nagam, Reddipalli, Ijju, pupala, vempala, basava, battula, tellakula, masupu, Ankam , Arisankala, Boyina, yaga, sukkireddy, madhavarapu, girajala, koppisetti, garaga, adabala, Yerramsetti, Ayitham, Chikkam, pippalla, baluvu, Chinimilli, Sunkari, irri, Palacholla, Nimmakayala, Rankireddy, Bezawada, Bonam, Dasari, Dodda, vungarala, Chilakalapalli, Davala, Kaikala, Vuragayala, Konidela, Allu, Nalanagula, Kambala, vejju, Adabala, Pappula, Koppineedi, Kavali, Vangaveeti, akiri, Addagarla, Sunkara, Domarouthu, Nandhi, Bandi, Cheruku, Kondra, Kolla, Gandham, Geebu, Pothamsetty, yetam, Chodisetty, mondreti, Polisetty[1], Pilla, Turumulla, Tirumalasetti, Madhyanapu, Majji, Mande, Mucherla, Namburu, Neelam, Padala, Kommana, Yerrabolu, Alla, Bontha, Batreddi, bandaru, Konidena, Dwaram, Theegala, Thota, Tuta, Mallepudi, kumpatla, Koppana, Koppusetty, Ramisetty, Rangisetty, Nagisetty, inti, Kamisetty, elisetti, mokka, Lanka, Koppireddy, Kunche, Grandhi, Savaram, Sura, Sirangu, Siddireddi, Oosuri, Yadla, Vaddi, Ambati, Yenugula, muppidi, Tanneru, itla, Gatti, Badiga, Akula, madasi, uppu, nallam, chintalapudi, villa, maddimsetty, tadi, rednam, ganji, bhimala, kotipalli, mutyala, katnam, akkireddy, pinaka, Pinisetty, Ketinedi, kasireddy, nukala, arigela, yedida, akasam, saladi, Lalisetti, ghanta,Sankabathula, davuluri, desamsetty, chilaka, vallamsetty, Ravada, Rudra, kommana chegondi, Singamsetty, Nandam, Kantamsetty, Yepuri, Allu, Gurram, Yedida, yarra, Sirigineedi, kunapareddi,mutyala, jagata, guruju, tikkisetti, adapa, addala, arava, pedireddy, Manam[2], sanati, Bandi, Maddhala, Vaida, Thimmisetty. Mycherla; Gantakolla, Gudivada, Chittemsetty, Kamavarapu, Sangam, Cheekati, kunisetti, Kasireddy, Gainedi, Kodavathi, Nanabala, Battula, Lalisetty, bethamsetty, gundala, Gedala, Eti. Lingam, Seethala, Bonasu, immidisetti., madireddy, addanki, nalla, pettela, madapati, miriyala, allamsetty, bommisetty, Karri, pantham, mangena, mudragada, sangeeta, mandali, mandala, samineni, buragadda, pinnenti, perni, simhardri, bhogireddy, naraharisetti, kosuri, parasa, Palakurthy, Mallareddy, Ravula, Yalla,Pitta, Challa, Chantati,vikram,Suravarapu,Mekala, Chilamakurthi, Godavari, venna,bonda, gunisetty, Ap,pana, Varupula, Gadam,Bodapati, pothireddy,Masapu,Gokeda,Magatapalli,kasuladevi,Dodla,Siddabattula,Kola,Kona,Nadipelli,Sunnam,Konedala, Vulli,Ankam,sandiparthi,janapareddi,kondempudi,

Edit request on 21 May 2013

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1. I belong to telga sub caste of kapu which is classified as forward caste by government of andhrapradesh as per this wiki it states telaga/balija comes under backward castes which is not correct. please see the below link.We are still fighting to include us in BC list since many years. This wiki will guide many balija/telaga and they may try to avail reservation for which they are not qualified yet http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130517/news-current-affairs/article/reddys-piggyback-kapus

Please permit me to edit this page

why don't you reproduce the official gazette of Government of AP on Backward castes? Don't quote the newspaper report. Go straight to the Govt's official list of BCs. If Kapu, Telaga, Balija and Ontaris are not listed there, it will be obvious that they are not BCs. Don't enter into useless arguments with others. Cite the official sources. Aavprasad (talk) 07:55, 9 April 2014 (UTC)Prasad Suneelcv (talk) 03:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, that newspaper article certainly throws some light on a confusing situation but also seems to raise some questions. For example, it refers to four areas and I am not sure what those areas are. Anyway, what exactly is it that you would like to say? Can you draft a sentence or paragraph that you would like to see included? - Sitush (talk) 08:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I have closed this edit request in light of the above comment. It is not possible to grant individual exceptions to the protection policy. If the OP has specific text he/she would like added or revised, please state so in a "change X to Y" format. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 October 2013

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24.201.254.147 (talk) 18:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC) Kapu means to protect, why would a shudra protect something, protection was the main job of Kshatriyas, kings, etc,

Naidu means leader.

The subcaste of Kapu would tell what was to be protected.

And as per Government of India and Andhra Pradesh, Kapu are treated as forward caste, and do not enjoy any kind of reservations, there few subcastes of Kapu who are deemd to be backward but still they are not given any priority in the reservations system in India.

We cannot remove cited information for an uncited rebuttal. If you have an argument to make, please provide exactly what words you would like to see instead along with explicitly clear citations to reliable sources that support your preferred sentences. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:13, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Varna status The varna designation of Kapu is a contested and complex topic. Even after the introduction of the varna concept to south India, caste boundaries in south India were not as marked as in north India, where the four-tier varna system placed the priestly Brahmins on top followed by the Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras. In south India, on the other hand, there existed only three distinguishable classes, the Brahmins, the non-Brahmins and the Dalits. The two intermediate dvija varnas — the Kshatriyas and Vaishyas — did not exist.

The dominant castes of south India such as Kapu held a status in society analogous to the Kshatriyas and Vaishyas of the north with the difference that religion did not sanctify them, i.e. they were not accorded the status of Kshatriyas and Vaishyas by the Brahmins in the Brahmanical varna system. Historically, land-owning castes like the Kapu have belonged to the ruling classes and are analogous to the Kshatriyas of the Brahmanical society.

The Brahmins, on top of the hierarchical social order, viewed the ruling castes of the south like the kapu, Reddys, chowdary, Nairs and Vellalars as sat-Shudras meaning shudras of "true being”. Sat-shudras are also known as clean shudras, upper shudras, pure or high-caste shudras. This classification and the four-tier varna concept was never accepted by the ruling castes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.207.236.237 (talk) 03:05, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2015

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Telaga and Balija are Forward Caste 199.173.224.30 (talk) 16:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Kharkiv07^Talk 16:49, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

And please cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2015

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Both Telaga and Balija communities are forward castes with Kapus. 199.173.225.33 (talk) 19:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:44, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Copyright issues

I have just removed a long post to this talk page because it was clearly copy/pasting a large amount of information from copyrighted sources. Please read WP:COPYRIGHT before adding information here, to the article or indeed anywhere on Wikipedia. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 11:28, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2015

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Please list Telaga as Forward Caste. Also you can overall claim Kapu caste as Kshatriya varna instead of Warrior past 137.200.32.6 (talk) 15:24, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:03, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Are you a member of Kapu/Telaga/Balija caste community? Why is it that Telaga Caste page on wikipedia has insufficient information compared to other castes. There is just one line of information documented and nothing much. Also, i myself just typed 'Kapu caste' on google and then clicked on latest news. They are not part of backward caste category. They are currently classified as Forward Caste. When i go to Kapu caste page why is it i see that it is documented as backward? I see so many users requesting you to make changes but no action is taken. Please explain wht are you looking for?

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2015

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Please do not mention Telaga as backward peasant caste. This is incorrect information. They are classified as Forward Caste or OC category. Please refer to the following information. I kindly request Wikepedia to add this content to Telaga Caste pages and also pass this information to the user who edits this page. Also, it is mentioned as backward peasant caste under Kapu Caste category which is incorrect information. They are classified as Forward Caste.

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98.169.137.223 (talk) 14:33, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited any reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article.
Every significant point of your proposal needs a reference - so you could need 8, 10 or even more references - Arjayay (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2015

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Please add following to the Kapu caste category:

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Please refer to:

1. http://www.kapusangam.com/history.php 2. http://www.vepachedu.org/manasanskriti/kapu.htm Naidu1234 (talk) 07:37, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

• Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You would need inline citations and two would not be enough for that amount of text. See WP:REFB for information on how to format and place citations. --Stabila711 (talk) 07:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
• Not done: Actually I am denying this request for a completely different reason. We cannot accept text taken from somewhere else on the Internet. That is a copyright violation. --Stabila711 (talk) 07:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, i have a question to Allthefoxes. Are you a member of Kapu/Telaga/Balija caste community? Why is it that Telaga Caste page on wikipedia has insufficient information compared to other castes. There is just one line of information documented and nothing much. Also, i myself just typed 'Kapu caste' on google and then clicked on latest news. They are not part of backward caste category. They are currently classified as Forward Caste. When i go to Kapu caste page why is it i see that it is documented as backward? I see so many users requesting you to make changes but no action is taken. Please explain wht are you looking for?

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2016

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Please kindly refer to www.kapunadu.com or telaganadu.com to make appropriate changes to kapu caste.Also they are currently listed as forward caste by govt of Andhra Pradesh. Kapu, balija and telaga are classified as forward castes. I see telaga caste is listed as backward peasant which is incorrect information and should be corrected immediately. Also in old times most kings list refer to kapu caste as per vapechedu information. Please take this as a priority request to modify changes to this page and telaga caste

Aloksharma12 (talk) 04:23, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. - Please be VERY SPECIFIC about what needs to be changed.

<COPYRIGHT REDACTED> --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 03:49, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Please justify below sentences under Kapu Titles section on Kapu caste page: "whilst the Balija and Telaga were regarded as backward castes, comprising 3 percent and 5 percent of the 1921 population, respectively.[8] However, none of these groups is currently included among the other backward class category" What is this contradiction?

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2016

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I am currently residing in United States working for a reputed company. I myself is a member who belongs to Kapu caste. I have noticed that this page is a victim of vandalism on regular basis by unknown members. I kindly request the members or admin to document the history of Kapu caste that includes Telaga and Balija as per the following community links listed below. Also, please kindly note that as of today Kapu, Balija and Telaga are classified as Forward Caste as per state of Andhra Pradesh. They are fighting for BC status just like Patels n Gujarat but are not included in BC category yet. Also, i kindly request other members to not change Kapu caste content so frequently. If this continues for longer period than we need file a dispute with Wikepedia according to laws of united States. www.kapusangam.com www.kapunadu.com www.telaganadu.com

Kapucastemember (talk) 17:11, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. In addition, leagl threats witll not be tolerated. No one on Wikipedia owns content, and anyone is free to change it. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 17:25, 13 January 2016 (UT

Just out of curiosity, i have a question to Allthefoxes. Are you a member of Kapu/Telaga/Balija caste community? Why is it that Telaga Caste page on wikipedia has insufficient information compared to other castes. There is just one line of information documented and nothing much. Also, i myself just typed 'Kapu caste' on google and then clicked on latest news. They are not part of backward caste category. They are currently classified as Forward Caste. When i go to Kapu caste page why is it i see that it is documented as backward? I see so many users requesting you to make changes but no action is taken. Please explain wht are you looking for?

I kindly request the admin to add Kapu, Balija and Telaga as forward caste in Andhra and Telangana. What Mr. K. Srinivasula has mentioned in the article as part of references is incorrect. They are fighting for backward status which is not yet granted. Please type kapu caste on Google and then click on news. Latest news says they are not yet considered backward.

 Done I added the point that they are not currently included among OBCs. - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:14, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks kautilya for adding chages. But also please kindly change the Balija and telaga castes to forward caste they are listed As backward which is incorrect. As per reliable sources they will not be included in bc category so easily. They are good natured people and mingle with everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.99.65 (talk) 02:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

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Reference source: Central list of OC from state of Andhra Pradesh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapucastemember (talk • contribs) 14:49, 21 January 2016 (UTC) Please kindly remove references 4,6,7,8 from References section. They are all outdated, incorrect and wrongly documented — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapucastemember (talk • contribs) 14:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Kapucastemember, you have been warned many times before. You cannot copy and paste from other websites. That is a copyright violation. Please do not do so again. Three entries on this talk page have been removed because of this issue. You cannot copy and paste from other websites. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 20:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Please justify below sentences under Kapu Titles section on Kapu caste page: "whilst the Balija and Telaga were regarded as backward castes, comprising 3 percent and 5 percent of the 1921 population, respectively.[8] However, none of these groups is currently included among the other backward class category" What is this contradiction?

There is no contradiction. That was 1921. This is now. I would be happy to add that "they are not considered backward castes at present," if you produce a reliable source that says precisely that. Not being included among OBC doesn't imply that they are "not backward" or that they are "forward." Many groups not included among OBC claim that they are still backward. - Kautilya3 (talk) 10:41, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Here is a good and reliable source for this caste: It is called AP (Andhra Pradesh) Telaga Kapu Balija Sangham/Community. There address listed below: 1-2-605/2/A, Lower Tank Bund Road,Kavadiguda, Hyderabad 500080; Telephone : + 91 - 40 27612388 E- Mail : [e-mail]. Call them and ask the president of KApu association. He mentioned it as forward caste today.

Please find the community portal: http://www.kapusangam.com/history.php, this website was developed by members after consulting with university professors from Osmania Hyderabad and Andhra Universities/

Here is another link listed Kapu as forward caste: latest news on Indian Express http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/Upper-Caste-Bodies-Raise-Voice-Against-Reservations/2015/09/10/article3019549.ece1 (In this article Kapu means Telaga and Balija)

I kindly request you to make appropriate modifications as forward

Also kindly go to Andhra Pradesh government portal, they all are listed as forward as of today

Alos, on top of the page I see this '"Ontari" redirects here. For the 2008 film, see Ontari (film)' which has got nothing to do with Kapu caste. Please remove it.

I have explained to you elsewhere (at Telaga) that caste-affiliated organisations are not reliable sources. I am also aware that there are no official lists for forward castes. The way it works is that if a community is not listed in one of the other categories then it is assumed to be forward. I wouldn't trust a newspaper to get this right, either, because they simply repeat whatever the caste associations tell them as part of their political campaigning etc. Most politicians lie, much of the time. - Sitush (talk) 12:07, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Sitush - Can you kindly let me know, who are you? Do you belong to Kapu caste? Are you from state of Andhra Pradesh or Telangana? Have you participated any community or associations. Are you university professor? Who are you?? Do you have formal education from good reputed schools? Which part of India from you from. I myself is from Kapu caste, we are classified as forward caste in my caste certificate. So, please do not dictate terms to us.

Ground rules for this talk page

There are repeated posts making the same points again and again, which are against Wikipedia policies. It is getting tiresome. So, I propose that we strike out, collapse or delete all the posts that don't follow the ground rules. I am stating them here for everybody's benefit:

• Only published sources are considered reliable. Sources authored by scholars (especially academics) are preferred.
• We will never use web sites or publications of caste organisations.
• Whether any editor belongs to a particular caste or not is entirely irrelevant. Please don't raise such questions.

Any request for changes without providing reliable sources will be entirely ignored. So, please don't bother making them. - Kautilya3 (talk) 13:42, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Kautilya - You are talking about rules, but before doing that first correct the content on all the pages. You do not have any right to represent wrong information and spoil the reputation of a community which is the largest in state of AP. You are hurting feelings of millions of people across the world. So, when you make a edit try to know why and what you are posting. Have a good one.

Edit requests must be made in the "change X to Y" format and provide reliable sources. - Kautilya3 (talk) 14:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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I had to remove the above. Yet again was that exact text copied from another page, so we cannot use it. I have warned you many times about this, you cannot copy and paste text from other websites. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 17:01, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Can you let me know from which place I have copied the content from ? Please explain .I have not copied anything from else. That's a wrong claim. Does this make sense whilst the Balija and Telaga were regarded as backward castes, comprising 3 percent and 5 percent of the 1921 population, respectively. Are we in 1921 now? We are in 2016. You have mentioned something which is 100 years ago.

I cannot link it here, as that would be a copyright violation, but I am taking the text you entered above before it was removed, and simply googling it, and finding the EXACT WORDS you put on this page, on other websites, from as early as 2013 --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 18:12, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I have a latest updated list of Andhra Pradesh Other Backward Caste (OBC) list from Andhra Pradesh Government. I do not know how to share this document with you. It was sent to me by Office of AP Cultural Affairs. In the latest list there is no mention of Telaga and Balija as Backward caste. What Mr. K Srinivasulu has mentioned in Working Paper 179 is totally incorrect. We have initiated a request to contact this individual and make apologizes to the people of Andhra. I have are reliable source in PDF format, please let me know how can I share it with you? Here is another reliable source from 2010 list of OBC in Andhra Pradesh: https://www.scribd.com/doc/43264575/ANDHRA-PRADESH-OBC-CASTE-s-LIST. You will not find Kapu, Balija and Telaga listed here. K Srinivasulu documented information from 1921. After independence i.e 1947 until today Kapu (Balija and Telaga) are listed as forward castes.

No-one is disputing this. The problem is that you are not reading the article correctly. Kautilya3 has already explained what it is you are mis-reading. Now please stop this time-wasting nonsense. - Sitush (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Sitush - If you don't stop your nonsense on my community. I will file a case aginst you for defaming and wrongly documenting information. Do not act too smart. You are not part of our our group i.e Kapu caste. Please kindly stop editing. I will file a law suit against you. You are hurting sentiments of millions of people with your destructive edits. You yourself do no have any reliable sources. That means you unfit for edits.

Legal threats will result in you being blocked. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 16:58, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Why don't you block user Sitush ? I am helping you to improve the content to publish online. No one wants to listen. Have a good one.

Kautilya3 - Can some one improve the content for kapu caste page. I feel what other users mentioned about k srinivasulu makes sense. Let's remove what Srinivasulu mentioned. His working paper which I read is incorrect. I feel we should refer to today's scenarios.

Dear Editor here some cats and dogs fight is going on... not sure why some caste people wanted kapu caste to be shown low caste.. one clear info .. Balija is OC in Rayalaseema. Go and get a caste certificate from MRO office and if they can give BC for Balija.. i would have become IAS by now ...anyways .. we telugu are like this .. please change the words BC for balija.. its the clear proof that i was always given OC certificate in MRO office anywhere in rayalaseema... enough proof.. pls investigatge.. thanks.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Modiraya (talk • contribs) 17:36, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

 Not done If you are making an edit request, please state in the format "Change X to Y" and provide a reliable source for the edit. - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Balija

The claim that Balijas form a subcaste of Kapus is unsourced. In fact, most sources, including Srinivasulu, state the Balijas are a trading caste, who are quite unrelated to Kapus. I found only one stray reference to hyphenated "Balija-Kapu" here, which might mean Kapus that turned into traders. So, I suggest that we get rid of all mention of Balija from this article. - Kautilya3 (talk) 15:04, 23 January 2016 (UTC) Can someone delete the K Srinivasulu information on Kapu caste page. It is my humble request. Its information is very misleading' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.73.41.8 (talk) 03:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

See this, if you can. - Sitush (talk) 15:17, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Unsourced claims

Balija subcaste is a offshoot of Kapu caste. Kapu in olden days means Village Head, Protector from Bandits, Kings list refer to Kapus. Balija is a trading caste. That is correct. Telaga is a caste of Kings, Warriors and Governors in olden days. Telugu Chodas are Telagas. Nellore Kings are Telagas, which is another sub caste of Kapu. Kapu, Balija and Telaga are similar to Kamma, Reddy, Velama, Raju, Yadavs and are intermediate castes/upper castes and not backward at all. Today large lands and educational institutions are controlled by them in certain districts of Andhra Pradesh. This institution is owned by Kapu caste people in Bangalore. Very reputed school: http://www.msrit.edu/ Like wise there are hundreds of best institutions owned by them. You cannot just link to a school's home page, since that doesn't tell us anything. Can you please link us to something, or find something that actually says what you are saying? something that is not already affiliated with a caste? --allthefoxes (Talk) 15:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC) Kautilya, Instead of mentioning kapu caste is fighting for backward caste and what k srnivasulu thinks in 1921. You can also document that today kapu Telaga balija ontari are forward castes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.173.251.171 (talk) 14:47, 3 February 2016 (UTC) If you keep spamming this talk page, the page will get protected and it won't do anybody any good. So, please restrain yourself. You have been heard and ignored, because you didn't provide any reliable sources. Repeating it won't make any difference. - Kautilya3 (talk) 15:32, 3 February 2016 Also please remove or delete what k srinivasulu mentioned. That doesn't apply in present tense at all. Also we have sent you the current list of reservation that are applied towards filling employment occupations in state of telangana and Andhra Pradesh. That has also been heard and ignored, as per Wikipedia policies. Now stop this! - Kautilya3 (talk) 16:05, 3 February 2016 (UTC) Can someone explain how kapu caste are shudras when we see list of dynasties or kingdoms associated with them. They should be classified as Kshatriyas or warriors. Also what is their origin? What is the classification in today's world. It is so confusing to readers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.159.221.133 (talk) 20:09, 4 February 2016 (UTC) M We can remove the content that as per 1921 telaga and balija caste as backward caste, there are number of newspaper articles listing as forward today since day of independence. So I would recommend just google search on kapu caste and sort by news. I would be feel good if you remove telaga listed as backward peasant caste and balija as lingayat caste. If actual numbers are taken they are most forward in entire south India. Let us not put them down After repeasted requests from Kapu caste community people not to vandalise the page so much, i see some of the stuff documented on wikepedia is incorrect and irrelevant. For example K Srinivasulu document is totally incorrect and can be removed. Why is that no action is taken until now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8BC0:4660:4439:553A:9995:903A (talk) 17:06, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Content

I see under kapu titles, that as per 1921 Telaga and balija are listed as backward castes and also Telaga as backward peasant caste and be like as lingayat caste. Both are in correct. Please add just one line saying kapu Telaga and balija like dominant peasant castes. All the major kings in south India were from this community.

I agree with other user, why are we listing something in 1921. India got its independence in 1947 from British rule and constitution was formed then. I personally feel there is a need for correction and remove 1921 stuff who no one even knows. Can someone take action?

Once we see a reliable source, then someone could. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 15:51, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

I feel refering to k srinivasulu doc is irrelevant. I feel he is incorrectly documented information. We need to take action on something after constitution has formed I.e. after 1947. Until today kapu Balija and Telaga are classified as Forward Caste.Reliable source would be current list of caste reservation doc from respective govts. Its quite annoying to read 1921 listing when there was no telangana and Andhra Pradesh state governments present and it was under madras. So let's correct it rather being ignorant. I feel so confusing reading some stuff on this dominant land owning community. Andhra Pradesh state was formed in 1953 before that it was under madras.

Very well said. Andhra Pradesh government formed in 1953. So it' is absolutely irrevalant to mention 1921. Intelligent ask.

Sounds good. Again, once we have a reliable source, then changes could be made. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 16:30, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Please find the Reliable source below on Andhra Pradesh government formation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh

That means in 1921 there was no Andhra Pradesh

I agree there was no Indian government before 1947. It makes no sense to list 1921 stuff when Andhra govt formed in 1953

Please note that Wikipedia is not a reliable source. You would need something like a newspaper, read on that here. In addition, the existence of a government or not has nothing to really do with anything here. What would you like to be changed? --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 18:23, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

We can remove the content related to 1921 as entire India was under British rule and no Indian legislature. Also we can remove telaga as backward peasant caste and balija as lingayat caste under kapu titles. There are number of online articles saying kapu telaga and balija caste is forward today when we Google and click on news.

Why don't someone answer this genuine request? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.98.44 (talk) 14:29, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Reliably sourced content will not be removed. Your WP:OR arguments won't make any difference.

This talk page has been semi-protected once. If the IP's don't abide by policies, it is likely to get permanently semi-protected. - Kautilya3 (talk) 15:56, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Because no one has yet to provide a reliable source. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 17:32, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

You did mention that Wikipedia is not a reliable source. What do you need? Why are you so cynical fox?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.159.221.133 (talk) 21:27, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Something like a newspaper article, magazine article, from a reliable, verifiable, third party organization as described on WP:RS. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 21:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

What information do you need in the article please? I will search and present it to you. Please explain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.159.221.133 (talk) 22:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Folks - particularly the one(s) who do not have registered accounts - we are going round in circles here. Even if we could verify that the community is now classified as Forward (which we cannot because it involves proving a negative via original research), it wouldn't negate the 1921-related material. That is going to stay unless someone can provide a decent argument by which we conclude it is not a reliable source. The IP contributor(s) are clearly engaging either in sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry (via Orkut or some similar site). I suggest that:

(a) the IP contributor(s) read WP:V, WP:RS and WP:NPOV

(b) the registered accounts ignore the IP contributors here until there is some evidence that they have indeed read and understood the information on those pages. Basically, a de facto form of WP:DENY.

If the IP contributors have any problem with actually understanding the info on those pages then they should ask someone at the WP:Helpdesk to explain ... but not in the specific context of this article because their problem is either one of comprehension of the English language or, frankly. that they do not like how it is. Neither of those problems are article-specific. - Sitush (talk) 00:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

WP:DENY - Please read the above paragraph

I request someone to add a 'Status' column under 'Related Groups' on Kapu caste page. Also there is some miss representation saying Congress part has supported their demand to OBC status in 2016 which is again incorrect. There is no congress party in Andhra Pradesh. They have zero seats in Andhra and no representation in assembly. Kindly correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.159.221.133 (talk) 16:30, 12 February 2016 (UTC) This statement below can be removed from Kapu caste page: "Some of the subcastes of Kapus such as the Munnuru Kapus, Turpu Kapus, Vada Balijas etc. are included among the Other Backward Classes list, qualifying for positive discrimination" They are not part of Kapu caste. Only Kapu, Telaga and Balija are under one category. This can be changed/removed: Srinivasulu notes that the Reddys and Kammas are the politically dominant communities of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana, and that the Kapus are among a group with lesser but still significant influence, despite their small population. They are particularly effective in the districts of East Godavari and West Godavari, although Srinivasulu notes that "The Kapus of the coastal districts are distinct from the Munnur Kapus of Telangana. While the former are fairly prosperous, the political emergence of the latter, who are part of the OBC category, is a recent phenomenon."[14] Also, no need to mention munnuru kapu under kapu caste page, they are not part of kapu/Naidu caste. Also, Kapus are concentrated in Vijawada, Krishna, Guntur, Prakasam, Rayalaseeman and Godavari districts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8BC0:4660:4439:553A:9995:903A (talk) 16:48, 15 February 2016 (UTC) What are kapu caste titles please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.170.59.203 (talk) 17:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC) Please add a column to Kapu and Telaga caste pages similar to Balija as listed below: Balijas Religions Hinduism (India), Jainism (India), Buddhism (Sri Lanka) Languages Telugu, Tamil, Kannada Populated States Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Maharashtra Subdivisions Naidu‡ — Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Kerala Naicker‡ — Tamil Nadu Nayake‡ — Sri Lanka Rao‡ — Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Chhattisgarh, Maharashtra Related groups Kapu Status Forward caste ‡ Shared by other groups — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8BC0:4660:4439:553A:9995:903A (talk) 03:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC) Dear all, My team has reached out to Universities and Both State Governments of Andhra Pradesh in order to verify the content authored by K Srinivasulu in the working paper document. After they looking into the existing data and archived data for the past 100 years they have concluded that data provided by K Srinivasulu is incorrect. They believe since Andhra Pradesh was under Madras province and no data was maintained or properly documented before independence from British rule. They have mentioned that all NAIDUS including kapus Telaga and Balija are classified as dominant peasant castes or upper castes and first chief minister of Madras after independence was from Kapu caste. So there is a need to remove unnecessary content of k Srinivasulu from kapu caste page. They said that census before independence was incorrect as no administration existed to document data correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.173.251.217 (talk) 19:36, 24 February 2016 (UTC) This is Michael Creglow. I was interested in reading the article about Kapu caste but i felt that the article lacks consistency and doesn't mention about the actual occupation and their caste titles. I was able to collect some requirements from other reliable sources. I recommend sensible users to improve the page by adding the content listed below: <COPYRIGHT REMOVED> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.73.41.8 (talk) 00:41, 26 March 2016 (UTC) Please see WP:V and WP:RS, Michael. Your thoughts, however accurate they may be, are of little use on Wikipedia until you actually name the sources etc so that other people can verify them and assess their likely authority. Feel free to list them here (preferably including the relevant page numbers). If they do the job then someone with experience can help you with inserting the information into the article. And welcome to Wikipedia, by the way. - Sitush (talk) 02:02, 26 March 2016 (UTC) 1. Mr. Sitush - I greatly appreciate your time in answering my request. I did look at the community portal of Kapu caste and also read a book called Castes & Tribes that belong to South India. This describes how classification of indian system was made in ancient times by occupation. This book is not available online to read but its a citation or a reference book in one of the libraries at American Universities. But, i was able to find some similar information or data pertaining to this caste on community portal which is similar to Patels in Gujurat and Rajputs in Rajasthan, which is listed below: http://www.kapusangam.com/history.php. I feel this information is critical to be posted on Wiki so that History students or Research students from American Universities will have immediate access to high level information before they dig into deatils about Indian culture and system in South India. Have a good one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.73.41.8 (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2016 (UTC) Well, I have to say you have rather a Soviet-style idea of the caste system. I would encourage you to read our article Caste system in India to get the true picture. In general, you would be better off stopping reading blogs and reading Wikipedia instead. Coming back to the question, this article says right at the front that Kapus are mainly "agriculturists." So what is it that you don't understand? - Kautilya3 (talk) 20:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC) Kautilya.. - I would greatly appreciate it if you would review my recommendation of text in beginning of my conversation in order to consider including occupation titles in olden times and modern times also documenting its overall history in ancient times. Because indian caste system was identified by occupation rather than unconditional identification by skin. I will definitely follow your recommendation on reading Caste system in India. I disagree the fact that all Kapus are Agriculturists as i see many students in United States having Kapu origin and i read a article 'Rise of South Indians'which clears states that today majority of international students coming from India to USA are having some kind of Telugu speaking background with majority coming from Kapu and Kamma castes. Again another article which was released by US Embassy in India says majority of Science courses both Master's and Bachelor's programs in American Universities are dominated by South Indians especially from state of Andhra Pradesh followed by Karnataka and other states. We at universities taking a pie out of every article to understand the rise and success of these communities and understand their history in relation to USA.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.73.41.8 (talk) 23:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC) You folks in the Universities need to do the research and publish it, before we can report it here. Please don't expect us to do your job for you. - Kautilya3 (talk) 23:30, 26 March 2016 (UTC) I recommend to add occupational details along with its history which would enable students to access preliminary information and help them research, compare and document articles. We are not publishing articles in support of any particular caste but are interested in overall progress of south india. I once again recommend wiki users to support this cause by adding relevant information. I know of a Wall Street journalist whom i can engage in interacting with you to gather right information.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.73.41.8 (talk) 15:03, 27 March 2016 (UTC) Wikipedia sourcing policy is defined at WP:V and WP:RS. Without providing any reliable sources, you are simply wasting your time and ours. - Kautilya3 (talk) 17:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC) Correction is required for the below statement: Please kindly remmove this "In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests.The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand" or change it to: "None of the parties have supported the demand. Also, Indian National Congress party has no representation in Andhra and they have won zero seats, also YSR congress has withdrawn the support for this cause. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.73.41.8 (talk) 15:45, 31 March 2016 (UTC) Do you have a reliable source to back up your claims? --allthefoxes (Talk) 23:36, 31 March 2016 (UTC) Request to user Kautilya: I have sent you a most recent document on not including Kapu caste to your email address by Kapucastemember: I kindly request you to remove below statements from Kapu caste pageas they are no longer valid. "In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests.The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:545:8200:9647:853B:38E8:9721:D3CE (talk) 15:17, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

We have been over this at least 15 times now. No changes will be made until you provide a Reliable source according to WP:RS - Take the time to either get comfortable with our policies, or no changes will be made. --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 17:26, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Someone please kindly take immediate action to remove this sentence from Kapu caste page:"In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests.[11][12] The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand." I believe a member of kapu caste member has sent mails to allthefox and kautilya with reliable source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.172.63.141 (talk) 02:45, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

I see many requests coming in from many viewers of kapu caste page but no action is taken from either admins nor anyone else to oblige the requests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.171.184.17 (talk) 16:37, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

That is because the people making the requests are not following our guidelines, even after we have explained these guidelines to them many times. This information is at WP:RS --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 22:23, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I would like to share latest document released by Mr. Puttu Swamy commission in deciding whether or not Kapu caste including Telaga and Balija to be included in list of backward classes. The latest report released by them clearly mentions that Kapu caste is not eligible for Backward Classes.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KAPU_Community_not_to_be_included_in_BC_list.pdf

Also, i kindly request you to remove the following sentences from Kapu caste page, as it no longer is valid. In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests.[11][12] The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.107.62.58 (talk) 03:53, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

That document is just a "representation" , ie: the opinion of one person that has been submitted to an organisation. It is utterly useless. I am going to delete on sight any further wasting of time that appears on this page. Please go find some other hobby. - Sitush (talk) 05:17, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Corrections to the page: On top of the page a film name called "Ontari" is lited. Please rephrase this sentence as listed below:"In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests.[11][12] The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand. However, Kapu, Telaga and Balija castes are not included in BC category." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giridharmurthy100 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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