Talk:Kumhar

The word kumhar,is not a caste it is like a culture. From any caste a person who does Potter work! He may be a kumhar. So we can say that kumhar itself a caste. A story about Lord Brahma Prajapati that they had four sons on the planet Earth and one day they gave sugarcanes to their four sons. And after few months, they wanted that sugarcanes back but their sons ate the sugarcanes but one of his son couldn't eat because he was busy in his work of Pottery and planted that sugarcane in the sand and bring back it to the lord Brahma. They became very happy from his son whose name was kumhar or Sanatan, They gave the "Prajapati" title to him. So it is clear that Prajapati can be A Brahmin, A kshatriya, A vaishya but never become untouchable. Prajapati is the descipline of hindu diety,and all castes are from Prajapati.

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Scheduled Caste and OBC concern

The caste Kumhar or Prajapati is listed among OBC in the Reservation Lists of various states in India. It is fact and we all know it. I am unable to understand what is the problem in accepting the truth. Many so called clean castes are included in Reservation lists. Why do we attempt to change it? will the reality change this way? If some caste members have objection to this then they shall approach the Indian Government authorities to change this because that is the only solution to change this fact. However, the history then will be like the caste was first included in OBC categories and later its members approached the Government to change it to General category.Presently, the article shows the caste to be a member of ancient Shudra category on the basis of the published research reports so please dont apply your own original research. Past is past, It is noway connected to the present or the present status of the caste and presently nobody is Kshatriya as these are age old mythological denominations. Presently the Indian categories are General, OBC, and each and everything is legally evident in the official records of Govt. of India.--MahenSingha (Talk) 17:40, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Kumhar caste was listed as OBC category in all states. If you need more clarification please download OBC list of India and double check. Tamilan pugal (talk) 01:53, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Wrong. See this. - Sitush (talk) 04:32, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Try to portrait a any caste good manner.lots of points shows like this caste is low caste among the all caste. Try to remove word shudra and specifically UP and Bihar states not yet added this caste in SC list till now. My opinion is Wikipedia should give postive news about any caste in india but here you have mentioned about high court pending cases about this caste in UP and Bihar coloumn. Try to remove as well. Once central government confirmed they are added in SC class after that you can add those information in this page. This is just my suggestion and I believe that you would consider that. Thanks Mrmathan (talk) 04:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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This article is in considerably good shape compared to the earlier versions, but still a lot remains to be down. To begin with, the History section talks only about mythological origins -- there is no actual history (except names of a few "notable Kumhars"). Secondly, much of the article is based on obsolete information from A glossary of the tribes and castes of the Punjab and North-West frontier province (1911): The authors Horace Arthur Rose (1867-1933), Denzil Ibbetson (1847-1908) and Edward Douglas Maclagan (1864-1952) are all dead, and the book hasn't been updated since 1911. Worse still, much of the information in the book is based on Ibbetson's 1881 census. The information like "as they keep camels instead of donkeys", "their women wear gold nose-rings" etc. is irrelevant in today's context -- my parents come from the Kumhar caste, and I can vouch for this (though I don't believe in the caste system, and I don't consider myself belonging to the Kumhar caste). Thirdly, the article is full of unnecessary use of Indic scripts (Hindi/Punjabi) -- this is English Wikipedia, and the Indic content is better off at Hindi Wikipedia or Punjabi Wikipedia. utcursch | talk 09:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Utkarsc should once apply kumbhar after his name and see what is impact of cast system in India he is one of those who are is ashamed saying themselves Kuhar. boy go to your elders in villages and ask them about your cast. they will tell you real story. ths is my openion being a {{Brahma prajapati}} and he is behind kjhalli whoever is him kjhalli seem to be a nice guy. buddy utkarsh add something if u have some time do something constructive —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamaldevjhalli (talk • contribs)

I'm not "ashamed" -- I just don't like clinging to the ridiculous caste system like some other users out here. Irrespective of whether I go and talk to elders in the village or not, the points mentioned by me above still remain of concern. utcursch | talk 15:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

hey utkarsh i feel heartily charmed to know that u r a kumhar welcome buddy now i don't care if u like to delete all matter in this article after all u r my brother man. any kind of help needed i will be there. regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamaldevjhalli (talk • contribs) 05:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

That's encouraging! Have a look at Featured articles like Toraja to see what a well-written article on tribes/ethnic groups/communities should look like. Of course, I'm always here to help. utcursch | talk 08:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Utkarschz i don't have to give/take anything from thisToraja, in which u may be interested. I asked if u need some help, i will b there cause u r a kumhar and so my brother. Why u don't edit chamar/jatt/jat/brahmin articles. Brother add something to this article if u have a real wonder-mind. Search around u and add real history. By the way to blame/finding faults is easier than adding real life scenes to any article or say u can always ask: why; then again why; cite, cite, cite..... But real things are made using people and finding different life truths that may not be well written in history books. Kumhars/Prajapati's being a layman's cast/system were kept away from vedas/higher studies that is why, some people think them to be a lower caste and that is not a truth when i searched.

U may oppose caste system but cannot run away from it if u live in India otherwise go and oppose Quota system due to which u are working in a private firm. Oppose census in India who ask your caste.regardsKamaldevjhalli —Preceding undated comment added 14:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC).

I belong to Pakistani Kumhar Family , But mostly there is less information about sub caste of Kumhar Families — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.203.148.203 (talk) 18:06, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Article needs to be cleaned up and references added

It is very poorly worded and is not sourced at all. TimesGerman (talk) 04:13, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Prajapati References

A lot of of this article talks about the links to the mythological/religious Prajapati. What the link between Prajapati and Kumhar is, I am not able to figure out since nothing is sourced. I am going to tag this as dubious and will delete in the future if no source material is added or no discussion happens. TimesGerman (talk) 15:27, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

There is no link between mythological Prajapati and present Kumhars except that they chose as surname and claimed to be so.-- Mahensingha _{(Talk) "Thanx n Regards"} 13:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Reconstructing Article

The article needs to be reconstructed in the light of facts with reliable sources. All the editors are requested to help building it, keeping in mind WP:NPOV and WP:RS. Add the contents with references only.-- Mahensingha _{(Talk) "Thanx n Regards"} 13:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

My Request To You For Edit Gujjar Prajapati In Sub Group List Of Gujarat. Because It Is missing... Therutvikmakwana (talk) 14:36, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Tempering with the sourced contents

Article was simply a mess, full of unsourced, unreliable information. Since Now it has been shaped according to the tone of wikipedia and needs to be maintained. However I observed a lot of edits from I.P.s tempering with the sourced contents. I request everyone that this is not the way of doing things. If you need to incorporate something, express it, discuss and for that purpose Talk page is the right place. -- Mahensingha _{(Talk) "Thanx n Regards"} 17:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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Please remove the line Prajapati kumhar in SC categories Prajapati only one in OBC category not in SC search declared list in central OBC list please remove from kumhar Wikipedia page, please remove this line it is not true Prajapati (Kumhar) is only OBC 49.249.98.170 (talk) 03:53, 21 February 2015 (UTC)