Talk:Maratha Empire/Archive 1

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History of South Asia

I've noticed that this article is linked to using the History of the Indian Subcontinent box, but does not include it on this page. I'd add it, but I'm not very good at editing layout.--YGagarin 19:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

As you have instructed, I have added the link for History of South Asia in this page, in the SEE ALSO section. If you need any more help with editting, please let me know.--Vande75 05:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I had meant more specifically this, but I don't know how to properly position it within the article.--YGagarin 05:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Why, the page does appear on the template! Fifth from bottom. I had included it a long time ago. ImpuMozhi 12:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

But the template is not in the article.--YGagarin 16:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Maratha Military

A section on the Maratha military is needed. TathD 11:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Citations

This is one of the most flowery articles I have seen Please down play adjectives, provide citations with page numbers, maintain neutrality.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 05:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

This is better than ur kannada nonsense which u drop everywhere. Poor u,u r getting nervous because truth is nearing!! Vishu123 06:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Please keep your conversation to the matter. This page clearly lacks citations and seems to have been constructed more in the "Amar Chitra Katha" (Children stories) format. This flowery language is not acceptable to wiki neutral standards. Please provide required citations. You have removed my valid "English language" citations. This is unethical.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 15:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

U should be the last one to talk about ethics. Ur kannada nonsense even more bad than Amar chitra katha. Ur glorification of kannada empire and dragging other empires to ur nonsense if laughable. I will be looking at ur flowery language in ur other articles too. Vishu123 16:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

People should mind their language and shouldn’t go overboard while expressing their views, especially, Dineshkannambadi. The emergence of Maratha Empire, in those times of tyranny, was the need of the hour. Also, the way Maratha Empire emerged was nothing short of a miracle, considering the stronghold of the Sultanates during that period. Maratha Empire was the result of extreme courage, hard work, strength, hunger for freedom, nerve to do anything for the master and many sacrifices by the people of Maharashtra. After the early efforts of Shahaji Maharaj, Shivaji Maharaj founded the Maratha Empire and grew it from nowhere to a formidable force. Maratha Empire under Shivaji Maharaj and afterwards, had stood it’s ground, and repulsed any attack which many times than not, outnumbered Maratha forces greatly in terms of resources, soldiers and artillery, in fact, the Marathas were the ones who would succeed in extending their boundary further. Thus, all the ‘peacock terms’ are part of the article on the Maratha Empire and Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj. It would be really nice if people could help in improving the article instead of commenting on it's shortcomings. ThanksKesangh (talk)

Reading the above comments I realise that even today the flaws in our society that allowed the British to rule over India are blatantly visible. I agree that no kingdom is without its share of oppressions. Even the great Greek and Roman empires had their flaws. Accept the valid flaws. Just because one site (whether government or not)says that the Marathas were oppressive dont accept it. Clearly there is a need of a more educated writing about the Marathas. There needs to be more Encyclopedic content rather than references to various websites. Sule Rohan 17:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)Rohan Sule

I came to this page purely out of curiousity, but now that I've seen the kind of comments that Vishnu & others have put up, I'm convinced that the dispute was valid. I must ask for Vishnu's racist comments to be reported to the Wiki panel. This is not acceptable. He is disgracing Indian unity on the web in front of the whole world!!! Dineshkannambadi, all the best. Need any help let me know. I personally doubt if American University webistes can be classified as biased or jingoistic, but people will believe what they want to believe. Rohan Sule, well said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aman Zaidi (talk • contribs) 08:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Expansion of section , Maratha empire coinage at Indian coinage

Editors can help by improving the section Maratha empire in the article Indian coinage.-- Vishal1976 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.252.189 (talk) 07:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Why His Majesty

I think the honorific "His Majesty" is inappropriate in usage in the article. As explained above, all Maratha kings were honoured with the term 'Chhatrapati' and hence there is no need to prefix a 'His Majesty' (or 'Her Majesty') before the names of the rulers. It is also quite anachronistic as the term "His Majesty" is of a period after the fall of the Maratha empire and is British in its roots. Nikhil Umesh (talk) 21:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Tagged Maratha empire-->Relations with South India

The reason I tagged this page is because it fails to open up all issues concerning the Marathas. It only talks of their greatness. The page focusses on how the Marathas (including Shivaji) fought for the hindu cause, but does not mention the ransacking of temples, harrassment of Kannada Hindu people in north Karnataka. I am putting in all that info over the next couple of hours. This is from a valid source and the referencd author and his book will be provided. The world needs to see to History in true light, not just hthe positve side.

Dinesh Kannambadi

Hi , It would be very nice if u get some relaible sources for ur claims.Plz dont enrage us by such statements which has nas no backings.Plz note that fanatic sources are present everywhere,if u want to stick to Mr.Kamat we might get few such sources too.Thanks.Mahawiki 13:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

• Maratha plunder of Chattisgarh from govt., website
• Marathas'(Shivaji's) plunder of Gujarat
• Marathas plunder of Jodhpur and Marwar (Rajasthan)

The above are some sources for the plunder of neighbouring states by Shivaji and Marathas in general. I am sure if we search we will find more. Sarvagnya 16:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The fourth link I added now is where the unregistered user seems to have taken his stuff from. Do not try to mislead by saying that his/her writeup was already included in the first three links I had provided Sarvagnya 19:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, so the question arises about the alleged plunder of neighbouring states by Marathas. The above user has mentioned three sources, to name a few of the many, which claim Maratha plunder of their regions. These claims apart from being of speculative nature are backed by jingoism. The last 2 links provided are obviously from some jingoistic website. Dr. S.R. Deshpande in his Marathi book "Marathyanchi Manaswini" describes how a few people from neighbouring states of Maharashtra developed this tendency to criticize the Maratha Empire as plunderers, loose-knit, ransackers, etc. just to fuel their regional jingoism. More often than not these claims come from leaders, which itself explains why. Eminent historian Babasaheb Purandare has refuted the "baseless claims" made by some jingoistic Rajput websites and forums about the alleged plundering and discrimination against others. The point is everyone can find flaws with every other kingdom and Empire of India. Perhaps, the most important reason why some people feel like bashing Marathas is because the Maratha Empire was more synonymous with Marathi language, very much unlike other ancient kingdoms of India who patronized other languages of their territories as well. However, such things neither have astring of truth in them nor do they serve any purpose. The "History of the Marhattas" by Grant Duff as well as Bombay University's "Maratha History - Seminar Volume" both considered seminal and impartial works on Marathas fail to mention any such things. So, these so-called "claims" serve only one purpose - Rake up jingoistic passions at the cost of negative portrayal of a particular Empire. I hope the air has been cleared.

And I am removing the "history" presented by an anonymous user since most of it is picked from the above links so generously provided by the registered user. Thank you

• If the first of the links I provided had not been from a government website, you would probably have probably labelled that information merely jingoistic too. Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean something becomes a lie, especially in the face of so many sources claiming that the Marathas committed atrocities wherever they set foot(outside Marathi speaking lands). Every non-Marathi source speaks of these atrocities, be it in Karnataka or orissa or bengal or gujarat, chattisgarh, rajasthan... Everbody is a liar and a jingoist and Marathas alone are the saints.
• I have given these internet links just for 'prima facie' evidence/purposes. It is not difficult to find references to any of these atrocities committed in history books written by acknowledged historians. It is just that I do not have the time right now to go to the library and look up the history books for Marathi history. But I hope somebody works on this to include valid history and show history for what it is. Including this information will make the article more complete and take it further towards FA status. Thank you. Sarvagnya 19:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

First of all, people should mind their language while contributing to even the Discussion page. I read few days back that the Marathas looted places like Surat, which should be brought to notice and only the positive points shouldn't be given. What? This is utter non-sense. If the Marathas didn't loot places like Surat, then from where does one expect the Marathas to get wealth to build the Maratha Empire. There weren't any banks or such kind of organisations to provide people with money!! During the initial years of Shivaji Maharaj, the Maratha kingdom was still a young kingdom, which needed wealth and resources. Marathas under Shivaji Maharaj and afterwards didn't harm any woman, child or innocent person during their campaigns and that's what is important. There have been only handful of Empires in history, which are idealised today, and Maratha Empire is one of them. Infact, today we are very proud about the campaigns of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj and other Maratha leaders, which were carried with great planning, execution, excellent strategic mobility and immense courage. ThanksKesangh (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 11:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC).

--NRS | ^T/_M\^B 18:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Tags should not be put on articles where info is missing. As it is this article was never tagged as disputed, nor has a history of edit wars. So putting the tags is highly inappropriate. If you have any information which you feel needs to be added, feel free to add the information. However, I must warn that if the information is controversial, disputed, speculative, derogatory or POV, it is highly imperative if you discuss it on the talk page first. Remember, what to edit and how to edit it is your prerogative, but unfair editing is not tolerated in Wikipedia. So, it's upto you to do what you want.

--NRS^{(talk to me,mail me or award me a barnstar)} 16:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

There are some points which are really need to be clarified before discussing the realations of Maratha's with South India —Preceding unsigned comment added by V sumdi (talk • contribs) 15:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Mayuresh Bhagwat (talk) 14:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Hi Sarvagnya, about the link "http://www.sc.edu/uscpress/2004/3544x.pdf#search=%22The%20Marathas%20in%20western%20India%20rose%20as%20a%20fierce%20Hindu%20opposition%20to%20Mughal%22" & "Marathas plunder of Jodhpur and Marwar (Rajasthan)" both are from University of South Carolina and is based on the view of the Britishers so I think you need to get something more valid and dont argue on some baised website, probably an authentic document would be from Gujrat Government websites. About the Chhattisgarh link....at the bottom of the page it reads ""Chhattisgarh - A State is born", Sanket Bhopal" so again based on a single book and even the author is not the someone reputed. I would like to add that if that was the case, it would had reflected atleast somewhere in the book "Discovery of India" by Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru - First Prime Minister of Union of India.[User:Mayuresh Bhagwat|Mayuresh Bhagwat]] (talk) 14:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Phaltan Naiknimbalkar Rulers

Nimbalkar ( निंबाळकर ) is one of the clan of Maratha supposed to be originated from Pawar Clan. Origin of their name is supposed to be arose due to their native village Nimbalak present in Phaltan tehsil, Satara district, Maharashtra, India.

They were the rulers of Phaltan region from the period of Yadav Kingdom or before. They served as one of the Maratha chief under Deccani Sultanets like Adilshshah, Nizamshah also King Shivaji's period,Peshwa period,Under Nizam and until British rule's end. The title of Naik Nimbalkar is equivalent to Raje Nimbalkar. Nimbalkars held title Naik,Sirdeshmukh,Sardar and other commonly used Maratha Honours.

Main (Family branch) City of Nimbalkar is Phaltan. They also have their presence in Maratha Dominated regions. Nimbalkars held title Raje, Naik, Sirdeshmukh, Sardar, Sarkar. Nimbalkar has their relationships with all the prominent Maratha families. One also should remember that King Shivaji's first Wife Saibai was from Nimbalkar family; morever,Deepaabai-the wife of Maloji Bhosale( Shivaji's Grandfather) also from Nimbalkar family. King Shivaji's Daughter Sakhubai Married with Phaltan's Prince Mahadji Nimbalkar. Nimbalkar Notable's

   * Shrimant Padakla Jagdev Parmar.( Father of Naik Nimbaraj), Rajput Ruler and Pioneer Maratha of This Clan,Descendant of Parmar(Pawar) clan of Dhar.
   * Shrimant Nimbaraj Naik Nimbalkar(Nimbaraj Paramar),Established in Mahadeva Range of Satara at Nimbalak,Founder of All Nimbalkar Surname and City of Glory Phaltan.

He Was Administrator of Phaltan's 84 Villages Pargana.

   * Shrimant Bajaji Rao Naik Nimbalkar,King Shivaji's Relative and Prominant Maratha Sardar of Maratha as well as Sultanets.
   * Shrimant Hanmant Rao Naik Nimbalkar,famous Maratha who assisted Sambhaji Raje Bhosale and combated Many Wars for Maratha Empire.
   * Shrimant Sultanji Naik Nimbalkar,The Ruler of Kharda Sansthan and Pioneer Khardekar.He Secured all Nimbalkar's Governements in Maharashtra.
   * Shrimant Khanderao Nimbalkar,Maratha Leader in Panipat War(1761).
   * Shrimant MudhojiRaje Naik Nimbalkar,Notable Nimbalkar and Father of Modern Phaltan.His deeds can be Compaired to Only Shrimant Sayajirao Gaikawad of Baroda and Shrimant Rajarshi Shahu Bhosale of Kolhapur.

Some Intresting

Nimbalkar families are spread all over Indian region.

Main locations associated are 1.Phaltan & Tehsil's Villages, 2.Bhalawani 3.Kharda, 4.Usmanabad,Karmala,kalamb .

Bhalawani:These Naiknimbalkar are the second nimbalkar empire after phaltan.Vikramsing Naiknimbalkar & Rajendrasing Naiknimbalkar are ancestors of this family

Khardekar (Maratha) are the Naik Nimbalkars - branch's surname - As this family is from Kharda - decedants of Sultanji I(HaibatRao) Raje Nimbalkar (First SarSenapati of - Chatrapati Shahu (the Grand son of Great Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj). Sultanji II (HanumantRao) RajeNimbalkar with Father and Clan Member Raja RaoRambhaji RajeNimbalkar(Who was Rular of Karmala/usmanabad)joined Nizam against Peshwa - as part of politics. The trio changed History in Maharashtra and were highly influential in Maratha regional politics.

As per the Marathi modi writing on second door of the Kharda Fort and Urdu writing on the First Door - the description is - Translated in English -

-Shaban - 25 Fasli 1153 - Monday : 1st September 1746AD During The Days of Fortunate end of Raja Sultanji(HaibatRao) Nimbalkar of the Dignity of Amir and Governer, The Deshmukh, Deshpande, Muquaddam, Seth and Mahajan etc... of the Village "Shivthan" Pargana Jamkhed, Sarkar of AhmedNagar.. The Fort is Named "Sultan Durg" in the above mentioned Village was Renewed.-

Sultanji also built temple of Khandoba in BID. Mahadaji Shinde's (Gwalior) Mother was in Relation with this Family and one wife was from Nimbalkar Family.

Rao Sultanji Built Rajapura (AhmadNagar) Darwaja at BID - This Inscription is available in urdu on RajaPura Darwaja of the BID city - inscribed as - "13 Julus (i.e.- From Tuesday 11 Oct 1730 to Thursday 24 June 1731 AD -) During the Caliphat of Muhammad Shah - Raja Rao Sultanji nimbalkar, Jahagirdar of the Pargana of Bid, built this Ahmadnagar Darwaja."

Since Nimbalkar Family was wel established in the period of Muhhamd Tughlakh (Yeda Mahmud)(Around 1200AD); They claimed themselves decendants of the Parmar Rajput with Vashistha Gotra. The family had relations with all the Rajput Families settled in Maharashtra. Some of the Settled Rajput Families are - Taur (This Family is decendant of Tomar/Tanwar Rajputs) of Ambad (Dist. Jalna)Region, Solankhe (The Clan is descendant of the Gujrat Solanki Rajputs) of Majlgaon(Dist Bid); Chauhan - Chavan of Parli (Dist Parbhani). Nimbalkar's were jahagirdar of The "Gangthadi region". In Mughal period so these families provided worriors to Nimbalkars. Nimbalkars do have family relations with these families. These relation sprang from last 400-800 Yrs.

   * Once 300,000/- Hone revenue region is commanded by the family before "Raja Maharaj Shiv Chatrpati's" period so the area was from south of the Aurangabad to the Umarga and from Konkan to the Hingoli - no one can claim that there are no other Nimbalkars.

   * Sultanji Naik Nimbalkar - SarSenapati of Shahu I - Joined Nijam, played politics and secured all Nimbalkar's and Many others families Jagirs and helped Sahu's prime minister - Peshwas in number of ways to spread in north, South as wel as in east. In East - Nagpur region there are Nimbalkars settled in the period of Raghuji Bhosale and were instrumental in Maratha Empire.

   * Like Sayajirao Gaikwad of Baroda,Shreemant Mudhoji Naik Nimbalkar done many notable works in field of Education and other Social Work.

   * Royal Race of the Nimbalkar :http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/p/phaltan.html

   * Today's Phenomenon :

Nimbalkars as in history still mentioning their leadership and service to the community by playing active role in politics.

1.Shree Malojiraje Naik Nimbalkar. Ex.Cabinet Minister,Maharashtra gov. 2.Shree Ramraje Naik Nimbalkar. Minister Water Resource Krishna Valley Maharashtra Government;Present Gadi-Ruler(Representation) of Phaltan. 3.Shree Pawanraje Nimbalkar;

4.Shree Hindurao Nimbalkar;

5.Shree Dadaraje Khardekar/ Naik Nimbalkar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.236.165.195 (talk) 11:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Contradictions

I tried to edit the page, but it was deemed vandalism and undone. The information on the page contradicts other pages made by the same group! E.g. the extent of the Sikh Kingdom vs the Maratha Kingdom during the same time period. We all know Marathas never reached Punjab, so why do the maps show otherwise? 90.194.255.235 (talk) 19:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Bmayuresh (talk) 21:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)Is that so? I think you need to go through the history books again. Thanks to Peshwa Raghunathrao, the Maratha Empire at its zenith expanded upto Attock now a part of Afganistan.Bmayuresh (talk) 21:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Legacy Section

I have removed the Legacy section for several reasons. One, in order for something to be a "legacy", it has to affect or be passed down to successive generations. The items listed in this section were not passed down, and as such, are not a legacy. Furthermore, most of the points are highly subjective or outright opinions, with only one item actually being cited (and the citation being a page reference in a book). Also, the addition of a "Legacy" section in this page seems more an exception than the rule; most pages for past empires do not have such a section. A "Legacy" section should really be reserved for the vast empires who had a significant effect on history and the modern era i.e. the Roman Empire. 94.173.12.152 (talk) 19:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I am re-adding the Legacy section. I've made some changes to the text that was earlier posted. However, I agree that some more work needs to be done there. Legacy does not mean that it should leave an impact on the World History. Maratha Empire changed the destiny of India and did help stabilize South Asia by nurturing religious harmony and tolerance. Not only socially but also military achievements of Maratha Empire are worth mentioning. For ex the Blue Water Navy a strategy still in use by all major Naval powers in the world. Or the capabilities of Peshwa Bajirao I whose military tactics are still studied upon by most Military Organizations including American Army. I understand that the Brits do like to show down anyone and everyone who has been a pain to them, but that doesn't mean that calling great Admirals like Kanhoji Angre as pirates and now by questioning the Legacy of Maratha Empire would change the course of History or undo the facts. Before you try to remove the portion again, I would like to request you to kindly go through the facts about the Maratha Empire and if that doesn't please you I would be honored to host you here in India to experience the change it brought about in the Indian society & politics. Bmayuresh (talk) 23:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Map changes

does anyone of you know how to change map, because i feel that the maps dont show Maratha empire full capacity, maratha maximum captured till peshawar in 1758 they also captured kashmir in 1758 but none of them are showed. Similarly how can we show the tribuatry of Maratha because mysore kingdom was defeated both times by maratha and then hyder ali(father of tipu) accepted maratha superiorty , similarly at one point of time(before british arrival) maratha were rulers of orissa and collected tax from Nawab of bengal for bihar and bengal(both west bengal in india and bangaldesh) similarly nawab of oudh was once defeated by maratha , second time nawab of oudh made frantic calls to british india for help after which empire of oudh passed onto british and it was not under control of musalmans , the tributaries of maratha empire must be shown otherwise it gives a wrong picture, all indian muslim empires be it mughals,nizam of hyderbad,mysore kingdom,nawab of oudh and bengal and rohilla afghans were defeated by Maratha and similarly oudh was under british protection but the map posted under new section dont show anything muslims lost whole oudh to british empire in 1773 and before that maratha have plunder nawab of oudh and captured allahabd and kora and aligarh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.240.29.208 (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Achievements of Maratha Empire

The article provides a very good profile of the rulers and minsiters of the glorious and mighty Maratha empire that dominated south asia for more than a century and a half. However, their achievements and good deeds are either mentioned in bits and pieces or missing and not clearly highlighted.

Can we include a separate section listing the achievements of the empire also?

Pradeep hebbale (talk) 11:17, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Unexplained edits by some members

Lets discuss Maratha Empire article here...

It is clearly visible that users : Bangalorebar , Dbkasar and AnwarInsaann continuously editted the article without giving any explanaion in the form of edit summary.

Some members are involved in vandalism and tryinh to under-represent the Maratha Empire.

Have a look at this edit by Bangalorebar. The main map was changed without any explanation. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Empire&diff=465776201&oldid=465445037 .

Dbkasar deleted the complete section of 'brief history' without any explanation.

AnwarInsaan deleted Afghanistan. However it is clearly given in the sourced content that Marathas had captured Peshawer and Attock. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Empire&diff=466110384&oldid=466054521 .

Peshawar and Attock are in Pakistan not Afghanistan

Banglorebar deleted a large content from the beginning, again without any explanation. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Empire&diff=466992121&oldid=prev

This Part has not been "deleted", it has been shifted below, please check. The introductory para is always kept brief AnwarInsaan (talk) 15:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

AnwarInsaan changed the image of Maratha soldier again without any explanation. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Empire&diff=466053490&oldid=466052677

The new image gives a more detailed view of a Maratha Soldier

I visited this article one month ago. But today when I saw it, I was quite sure that this article has become a victim of very cleverly-done vandalism.

What does wikipedia rule says :

User shud give the edit summary.

But hardly any summary was given in these edits. Content was deleted, map got changed, images got changed and the article was deliberately squeezed.

Being a wiki-editor, I have the right to revert these un-explained deletions, image changes and vandalism that have been done deliberately to under-represent the Maratha Empire.

Now I will wait for some more time.. Either the editors should explain these edits, which I feel are vandalism, or their edits will be reverted.

Change your threatening tone, WP is meant for constructive edits by everybody, nobody owns a particular page here, you can not revert the edits without consensus. AnwarInsaan (talk) 15:30, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

First of all, I welcome you as a new user on WP, If you want to add or delete something on WP please discuss the editions with every user, you can intimate the users by leaving a message on their talk page. AnwarInsaan (talk) 15:28, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Blue-water navy?

Mentioned in the legacy section. Blue-water navy refers to a navy that is capable to operate in open ocean. Can someone put some source?

Also, this article is quite large. But it has very few citations.

--Iball (talk) 21:40, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

"The Maratha Empire is also credited for developing many important ports like Pune, Baroda, and Indore. " Baroda is understandable, but inland cities like Pune and Indore are "Ports"??? -- 115.242.61.21 (talk) 09:40, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Nearly unreadable

This article needs rewriting. It reads like translated with Bablefish. Poliorketes (talk) 12:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Editing

ok i have noted above observation of 'edit summary' .hereafter i will be adding it. dbkasar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbkasar (talk • contribs) 13:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Chronology

someone is again and again putting yashwantrao holkar before peshwa.He must understand chronology.HOlkar was in 19th century.dbkasar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbkasar (talk • contribs) 12:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Name Change

How about changing of name of this article to Marata Confideracy from Maratha Empire.it was a confideracy of semi autonomus states each led by a Peshwa all inspired by Shivaji Maharaj one of the greatest kings ever.an empire is when all the territory is in control of one king,here you have all the territory in control of Peshwas inspired by Shivaji Maharaj,so it is better to call it confideracy than empire.I might be wrong but please correct me if im wrong.Uu228 (talk) 09:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Changing the name means moving the page. In order to move the page you click on the move button at the top of the article. It looks like Maratha Confederacy is the generally accepted name (in encyclopedia Britannica at least) so you shouldn't have too much opposition. Before you make the move, let people comment to see if someone has a contrary opinion for a couple of days.--Profitoftruth85 (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Bmayuresh (talk) 15:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)It started as an Empire and ended as a Confedracy. However, during almost its entire tenure it had a single dynasty rule ie the house of Bhosales. The Peshwas were de-facto rulers and the term "Peshwa" itself means "Prime Minister". After death of each Peshwa the Bhosale family appointed the next Peshwa. Also the Peshwas or the other Sardars never declared themselves as kings till the 19th century hence the Empire actually broke at the dawn of the 19th century wherein it had completed over a century rule and hence the name is correct. Before making such statements or suggesting such actions it would be good if you guys research more on the Empire and not just read the pages about it in Britannica and Wikipedia, as there is lot more to it than available online.Bmayuresh (talk) 15:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Query about a name

• In Maratha Empire#Ramchandra Pant Amatya Bawdekar, the name Adnyapatra is written in Devanagari as आज्ञापञ, which says Ājñāpaña. Which form is correct ('tr' or 'ñ')? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:19, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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First appearance of Maratha soldiers

According to Jacques Weber, professor of modern history specialising in India at the University of Nantes, the first appearance of "Maratha soldiery" was under Shivaji's father in 1635 when Bijapur was besieged by Shah Jahan - see [] Mogul Splendour: The successors of Akbar (1605 - 1707) Jacques Weber, in A History of Modern India, 1480-1950.

We have Siege of Bijapur, but it is a different siege, and I am unsure how to fit this information into this Empire article. Thoughts? - Sitush (talk) 12:12, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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wrong fact bhosale era?

it is to inform that shivaji started a new era ,but did not bothered to give his name or his surname .it was named as 'rajyabhishek shaka".It is also called as 'Swasti shri '.So to say this era as 'bhosale era'than the era of kings or royal period is not a fact of history .it does not sound a work of any scholar.please mention true facts .edit accordingly .thank you--dbkasar-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.252.237.10 (talk) 11:12, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

A New High Quality Map! Anyone Interested?

Hello everyone! So about a year ago I got a request on my talk page to do a high quality map of the Maratha Empire. Now I have made some good maps of India in the past. I.E, the Mauryan and Mughal Empire Maps:

Mauryan Empire ca. 265 BCE

The Mughal Empire

That being said, is anyone on here interested in me doing a high quality map of the Maratha Empire? If so, please let me know either on here or my talk page and I will gladly have it done! Cheers! Kirby (talk) 21:42, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I would certainly be interested. It would be great if you can prepare a high quality map Amit20081980 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:41, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Sikh?

Someone edited the article saying that "Marathas and Sikhs" are credited for ending Mughal rule in India. If at all any credit goes to Sikhs, it should be mentioned on the page of Sikh Empire with a credible reference. Not on this page. Amit20081980 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:32, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Revival of Hinduism under Marathas

The article does not clearly mention the impact of Maratha Confederacy on India (in terms of its culture and religion). I recommend adding a new section called Impact on Hinduism which can provide information about revival of Hinduism in India. The rise of Hindu Marathas certainly have a bearing on today's religious demographics of India. Below can be a good read and serve as a reference as well.

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Amit20081980 (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Confederacy

The Marathas were a vicious Confederacy with separatist and expansionist motives, not an Empire. [] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.182.2.160 (talk) 05:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Every notable history book uses the term Maratha Confederacy...it clearly is the correct therm of reference. [] [] (182.182.40.192 (talk) 04:59, 2 June 2012 (UTC))

Wikipedia is not a place to pass your personal judgement but is meant to present facts, Martha Empire is famous as MARATHA EMPIRE.Wachoviadeal (talk) 10:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Says Wachoviadeal, passing his personal judgement. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 00:56, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

attention for contributers

Please contribute more to give a wholistic picture and do not show contribution only of one family .It was an empire and hundreds of brilliant commanders have fought and died . do not quote for a single personality , rather give quotes on general character , bravey and achievements of the Maratha people at large . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devbk (talk • contribs) 15:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

This seems related to the "discreet fragments" I've added to expand the Barbara Ramusack quote. An overemphasis of the "empire" characterization allows for only an emperor / imperial dynasty, whereas a "confederacy" allows a mention of more, including commanders, regional rulers and other individuals. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 01:06, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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The emergence of Maratha Empire, in those times of tyranny, was the need of the hour. Also, the way Maratha Empire emerged was nothing short of a miracle, considering the stronghold of the Sultanates during that period. Maratha Empire was the result of extreme courage, hard work, strength, hunger for freedom, nerve to do anything for the master and many sacrifices by the people of Maharashtra. After the early efforts of Shahaji Maharaj, Shivaji Maharaj founded the Maratha Empire and grew it from nowhere to a formidable force. Maratha Empire under Shivaji Maharaj and afterwards, had stood it’s ground, and repulsed any attack which many times than not, greatly outnumbered Maratha forces in terms of resources, soldiers and artillery, in fact, the Marathas were the ones who would succeed in extending their boundary further. Thus, all the ‘peacock terms’ are part of the article on the Maratha Empire and Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj. It would be really nice if people could help in improving the article instead of commenting on it's shortcomings. ThanksKesangh (talk) 13:27, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Last edited at 08:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 23:03, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Kings Maratha descent

Anyone who has information about the descendants of King Mustradha Sri Maheswari and King Kalai Sri Bhunawa Maharashtra? It is understood that the two of them, they went into the trade envoy Malaya (Malaysia) in the 18th century, in the area in 1786. While King Mustradha Sri Maheswari into Malaysia in 1822 and developed his seed in Penang to Kuala Lumpur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammad Hafiez (talk • contribs) 06:00, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Maratha Empire Period

In the article, the period of Maratha Empire is shown from 1674 to 1818. To my knowledge, in the year 1674, Shivaji Maharaj was crowned as Chhatrapati ("sovereign") of the new Maratha kingdom. But actually he conquered the first fort Torna in the year 1645 at the age of 15. See Shivaji#Conflict_with_Adilshahi_sultanate So with this timeline, the Maratha Empire period should start from 1645.

To justify this, let us compare the period of British Raj in India i.e. Company rule in India. It is given as East India Company on the Indian subcontinent from 1757 to 1858. This is because East India Company won the first Battle of Plassey in 1757, when the Nawab of Bengal Sirajuddaulah surrendered his dominions to the Company. This is the first win in India. That is why the period is shown from 1757 to 1858. See the first para of Company rule in India

The same rule should be applied for Maratha Empire and it should be changed to 1645 to 1818 in all the related articles. Yogee23 (talk) 08:46, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

I agree with User: Yogee23. It needs to be changed to 1645. Coolgama (talk) 14:31, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

British Raj only started when the governing of India was taken over by British government and Victoria assumed the title of Empress of India. Prior to the it was the company rule. By taking over Torana , Shivaji laid the foundations of the future Maratha Kingdom. As to whether the Maratha power was formally an empire or not raises a lot of issues. Yes, Shivaji did crown himself Chhatrapati but his grandson Shahu accepted the title of Mansabdar from the Mughal emperor. Later, the Marathas at various times acted as king makers in Delhi but always acted in the name of the Mughal emperor.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:31, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

I am referring to Company rule in India article only. As per the article in Wikipedia, the East India Company period given on the Indian subcontinent from 1757 to 1858. This is because East India Company won the first Battle of Plassey in 1757, when the Nawab of Bengal Sirajuddaulah surrendered his dominions to the Company. This is the first win in India. That is why the period is shown from 1757 to 1858. Earlier to 1757, there was hardly any existence of British company rule in India. It was only in few pockets like Mumbai etc. The same rule applies to Shivaji. Shivaji had won major portion of West India by 1660 by wining various wars against Adhilshah, Nizamshah and Aurangjeb by that time. Just for information Yogee23 (talk) 03:32, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Jonathansammy, you have put the year of the beginning of the Maratha Confederacy as 1674 in your last edit. In some places in this article, it says that it began in 1645. Please let me know what year we should have in the article - it should be the same everywhere, right?—Dona-Hue (talk) 02:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

We should stick to 1674 as the beginning and leave a footnote (As I have already done) to mention the young Shivaji winning the fort in 1645.In the 1660s he also signed up with the Mughal emperor to be in his service.1674 was really the date when he made a break with other ruling entities and that should be the start.The start date is can of worms.As mentioned in one of my previous posts, Shahu got rights to Sardeshmukhi or right to collect taxes in the Deccan from the the Moghal empire.In a formal sense, does it make him a vassal of the Moghals?It would be good to have opinions of other editors on this matter.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:15, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Jonathansammy, I have no idea about this. What is worse is that we need reliable sources for everything here. Please do what you feel is right!—Dona-Hue (talk) 06:50, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Extent of Maratha Empire under Baji Rao

The article says:

Bajirao is credited with expanding the Maratha Empire tenfold from 3% to 30% of the modern Indian landscape during 1720–1740. [...] [The Concise History of Warfare By Field Marshal Bernard Law Montgomery, p.132]

A user has changed it to 70%. I have found an article saying that the extent was two thirds of the Indian subcontinent, though this is a blog: . So which is correct? What does the source say? (I wasn't able to find the book online.) - Mike Rosoft (talk) 05:32, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Blogs are unacceptable on Wikipedia. If a user has changed 30% to 70% when the source says 30%, please be bold enough to revert It!—Dona-Hue (talk) 10:22, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought you were a novice/rookie, but you are actually an admin; please do whatever you feel is right! Please also let us know about the map in the introduction (please read the matter in the previous section)!—Dona-Hue (talk) 10:28, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

casteist remarks by admin of this website

whoever is the admin of this cite , he seems to be a mischievous person in that he is misleading 'maratha ' identity as a ' Hindu identity which s not historically correct , can he say that madari mehetar , siddi hilal , ibrahim khan etc were not marathas ? secondly why he is bent upon mentioning chitpavan' caste here , if you want to mention caste of peshwa as chitpavan , then moropant pingle was a brahmin , shivaji was 96 clan royal , bajiprabhu was CKP and many more of different catses .why you want to show chitpavan identity here ,please correct it ,at least speak some truth and do not be a kind of third class historan . if you wish you can discuss here ---open intellectual challenge --- note my email [e-mail] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.245.35 (talk) 18:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

This article is edited by thousands of users. Please provide reliable online references for what you are saying and we will try to incorporate them. Click here to read about the guidelines for reliable sources!—Dona-Hue (talk) 18:04, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Art section?

There should be an additional section mentioning the art/architecture and culture of the era. Some things that come to mind are Trimbakeshwar temple, many of the buildings in Varanasi were built by the Marathas, and they've built a good share of palaces as well. It'd be interesting if some paintings were posted as well and a general run-down of clothing, customs, holidays and the like that were prevalent in the empire. Bajirao1007 (talk) 02:55, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

wrong facts

Please note that the maratha power was in the hands of shahu till his death 1749 , after his death nanasaheb was given certain power by shahu . Secondly peshwa control certain section of army entrusted by shahu and not the entire army , do you mean that kanhoji angre and raghoji bhosale were working under peshwa ? no denial of pehwa ' role but do not hijack other clans's achievement , or alternatively have one more page for peshwa separate from maratha empire where please show that shivaji was working under peshwa ??? is it a good proposition to over enthusiastic champion of peshwas ? --- dbkasar . please prove the facts given by me as wrong , i will not comment again . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.245.35 (talk) 12:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)