Talk:Oskar Dirlewanger/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Dirlewanger's death

It states in the article: Oskar Dirlewanger (September 26, 1895-June 7, 1945) was a World War II officer with the Schutzstaffel (SS). He commanded the SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger unit. Dirlewanger was sentenced for war crimes and was beaten to death by inmates at Altshausen, a French prison camp. But according to author French McClean, he was beaten to death by Polish guards at Altshausen, probibly as revenge for his actions in Warsaw. Though it might be worth mentioning. Piercetp 02:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

If the Polish guards were former inmates during the war period, the article you quote would prove right and your "correction" would be judged useless and a tentative way to blame Polish of an coward reprise against a unarmed prisioner, even if he was Dirlewanger. 201.19.202.29 18:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Accuracy

Whilst there can be no doubt about the nature of the Dirlewanger unit, and its documented involvement to numerous atrocities and massacres, inclusion of specific accusations should be treated with caution. Accusations of catching babies on bayonets (the same accusation as made against German troops in WWI), cutting the arms off prisoners and setting them alight, etc. should not be included unless sources can be cited. There is a danger in subjects such as this to revel in lurid stories that are more titillation than historical reality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.113.48.11 (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

There are sources. Two in fact, and many more can easily be found. Dirlewanger's Brigade was easily the most notorious penal battalion in Nazi Germany; for all of the SS's numerous atrocities, no SS officer would have anything to do with Dirlewanger or his men. Hardened SS war criminals looked upon them with disgust and fear. They were literally the worst of the worst, unrepentant violent criminals, the dregs of the Nazi penal system. Literally anyone who could hold a rifle and obey orders at gunpoint (including a number of violent psychotics residing in locked institutions for the criminally insane) was eligible for the Dirlewanger Brigade. Dirlewanger himself was a psychopath and multiple child rapist who perfectly encapsulated the ethos of the organization; if you are willing to kill who we tell you, we're willing to ignore how much it arouses you. So much for the master race. Bullzeye ^contribs 00:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

PS- You gotta cite your claims about Dirlewanger. The double convictions for rape of a minor are on record, the part you inserted isn't. Bullzeye ^contribs 00:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Source now added - Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.113.48.11 (talk) 07:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Why has the correction about the rape conviction being reversed on appeal been removed, even though the source (The Cruel Hunters by MacLean) and page has been supplied?

Feel free to put it back up if no reason is given. Tchernobog (talk) 20:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Changed 'controversial' to 'notorious'

Hi

I've changed the intro description from 'controversial' to 'notorious'. It seems like the wrong adjective here, the Dirlewanger Brigade was infamous. Not aware that there are any historical debates arising from its existence or that its' actions prompted two sides, ie one that was in favour, one that wasn't. 'Controversial' is used in a few other articles and I think it's been used incorrectly as a synonym for infamous or notorious.

Adam —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamjamesbromley (talk • contribs) 11:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)