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Request to please extend page on 05 February 2025

Please extend this page to 2025 as the war in Ukraine is continuing and there is continuing cause be suspicious about the deaths of prominent Russian dissidents.

Specifically, here is a 05Feb2025 article mentioning the deaths of two top Russian colonels who "fell from a window". This method of death mirrors many other in the page, and the article itself cites "a long string of unexplained deaths of leading Russian figures". https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14363275/Russian-colonels-plunge-high-windows-one-killed-mysterious-deaths-putin.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.49.33 (talk) 18:07, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 5 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. There's a rough consensus here.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Suspicious deaths of notable Russians (2022–2024) → Suspicious deaths of notable Russians in 2022–2024Suspicious deaths of notable Russians in 2022–2024 – It is a weird style choice to use parenthesis here, which are usually used for disambiguation. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:13, 5 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 08:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose move. This style is often used for conflicts, wars, the like. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:30, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, because there are commonly naming conflicts between different wars of the same name. That is not the case here. PhotographyEdits (talk) 07:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

In any case, I still oppose, because have the deaths stopped? Saying a defined end to it would be inaccurate if it continues next year. Also it should be from, not in. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

My point was that I want to remove the parenthesis from the title. Do you agree with that? I'm open to any other changes. PhotographyEdits (talk) 16:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

The current title is definitely suboptimal. Clearly non-notable instances should not be included whether that is in the title or not. I also note that the base title Suspicious deaths of notable Russians is a redlink. Dekimasuよ! 06:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support The title has other problems but in this case the time period is not a disambiguator vs. other articles with a similar name, rather an element of the list criteria ie. directly in the title. -- GreenC 15:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. If these people were all notable, wouldn't they already have an article? The vast majority do not. Mellk (talk) 15:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

  That is not what is currently discussed here, though. PhotographyEdits (talk) 07:30, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support, per the rational that this is not a disambiguator but a part of the subject title, this directly addresses the concerns by PARAKANYAA. Bobby Cohn (talk) 22:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

What about Nawalny?

See above 134.60.99.239 (talk) 08:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Belarusians included

There are Belarusians in the list. I found no evidence that Dzianis Sidarenka and Vladimir Makei have Russian citizenship. They should either be deleted or the text should reflect that the article refers to both Russians and Belarusians. Chaptagai (talk) 01:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

There are many nationalities besides Russians in the list. The title is a placeholder, we can't include every nation in the title it is practically not possible. -- GreenC GreenC 19:53, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Suspicious deaths of notable Russians in 2022–2024

The use of in is not great. I asked Perplexity and it gave the following answer:

The sentence "Deaths in 2022-2024" is grammatically correct, but it could be improved for clarity and precision. Let's examine the alternatives:

"Deaths in 2022-2024":
 This is grammatically correct and concise. It implies deaths that occurred within the specified time frame.

"Deaths from 2022-2024":
 This is also grammatically correct. The preposition "from" suggests a starting point, which works well in this context.

"Deaths during 2022-2024":
 This is perhaps the most precise option. "During" clearly indicates the entire span of time from the beginning of 2022 to the end of 2024.

Among these options, "Deaths during 2022-2024" is generally considered the best choice for the following reasons:
Clarity: It leaves no ambiguity about the time frame being discussed.
Precision: It accurately conveys that the deaths occurred throughout the entire period.
Formality: In formal writing or official documents, "during" is often preferred for time ranges.
However, the choice may depend on the context and style of your writing. In less formal contexts or where brevity is important, "Deaths in 2022-2024" could be perfectly acceptable.

So, we have some tradeoffs between ambiguity, clarity and precision. IMO during is the better choice. -- GreenC 15:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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Consider adding Vladimir Schklyarov, 39, Mariinsky Theatre Principal Dancer. Fell off a 5th floor balcony on Nov 16. He critized Russia's invasion of Ukraine. 189.219.67.55 (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source that we can cite? - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/top-russian-ballet-star-accidentally-34130181?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target 189.219.67.55 (talk) 01:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/18/style/vladimir-shklyarov-ballet-death-scli-intl/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/16/world/europe/vladimir-shklyarov-dead.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qd9w9125ko

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

Cgbuff (talk) 12:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

 Already done Skynxnex (talk) 03:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)