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有关邱吉尔家族的条目,我有若干解释:
- “具有斯宾塞家族的血脉”是因为英文版以“related to Spencer Family”的关系。如用“属于”一词,英文版会使用“belonged to”。若参看英文版“Spencer Family”条目,亦会发现“Spencer Family”并没有包括第五代马博罗公爵以后之人士。
- 有关“Spencer Family”之背景,无须在邱吉尔条目中过份详写,反而应该另辟新条目。
- 应显示为伦道夫·邱吉尔勋爵,这是对公爵儿子之特定敬称,请详见有关勋爵的条目。
- 香港地区有使用“皇”的习惯。
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有关邱吉尔
多谢垂注!--Clithering 18:17 2007年1月4日 (UTC)
回关于邱吉尔
首先十分感谢你的回信!就我上一篇所指的论点,有以下的补充:
- 关于“Spencer Family”一项,我同意你新的意见,已予以更改。
- 关于伦道夫·邱吉尔勋爵方面,根据英文维基百科,骑士身份不须在条目名称上刻意特显,但贵族身份就有在条目特显和区别的惯例。惟中文维基现时仍然没有相关的讨论和定案,基于“勋爵”的独特含意,我建议现时好应保留现有的连结样式,在日后留作重定向也好。
- 关于家族背景方面,一方面现时的条目已经十分长,此外其他人物传记条目也很少有在生平详写家族背景。而且在日后编写相关的新条目时,就会自然发觉在邱吉尔条目撰写家族背景会显得重复。那为何不另辟条目呢?
- 关于“皇”的使用,我已将中、台地区的显示改成“王”。至于为何香港会使用“皇”,这是习惯成自然的结果,并非单纯文法的问题。在香港,回归前的纸钞、邮票使用“皇”;建筑物凡以君主命名者,均使用“皇”字;立法局文件一律用“皇”,即使马会赛事也有以“女皇杯”命名,而港人也多以“英女皇”来称呼伊莉莎伯二世,所以这是习惯的问题。
另外,关于我没有在上一次留言提及的议题,现在此作出回应:
- 关于“军事家”,我也十分同意,但因为回退的步骤缺乏灵活性,才一并将之回退,现将根据您的意见修改!
- 关于地名,我一律依照中文版《大英百科》,惟《大英百科》可能由台湾人士所译,忽略大陆地区译名,所以我会根据您的意建修改!
- 关于不管部大臣一事,其实是一个细项,我认为改不改也没甚么大不了罢?
- 最后关于诺贝尔奖和伦敦公爵部份,前者由于不知出处,后者看漏了眼,现看过您的回复后,将会一一修改!
多谢垂注!--Clithering 11:41 2007年1月6日 (UTC)
关于中土大陆和中土世界
您好,我很久没有编辑托尔金的条目,再一次上来看看,发觉托尔金的条目很多译名都更改了,而托尔金世界最重要的条目,中土大陆也换译为中土世界,再看讨论页,似乎发生过移动战。基本上,我所创建的条目全依照繁体《魔戒》、《精灵宝钻》两本书的官方翻译而遍写,而简体《指环王》对中土大陆的译名为中洲,请问“中土世界”之译名典出何处﹖--Iflwlou 13:20 2007年2月6日 (UTC)
回复关于英伦的问题
很久没谈!关于你的问题,坊间应该很少人留意,而我有以下的建议:
- 苏格兰之“High Steward of Scotland”,是相应于英格兰和爱尔兰地区的“Lord High Steward”及“Lord High Steward of Ireland”,当中又以英格兰“Lord High Steward”之职责与“High Steward of Scotland”较相近,而“Lord High Steward”又一向译作加冕事务长,因此“High Steward of Scotland”理应相应译作苏格兰加冕事务长。
- 至于斯图亚特王朝条目把“High Steward of Scotland”译成“苏格兰王家大管家”,相信是直译所致。值得一提的是,过去不少人误以为“Lord High Steward”等同“Lord Steward”,但“Lord Steward”实际上是指“皇室事务长”,虽然苏格兰似乎没有相配的职位,但相信原译者正犯了这种错误。
- 由于“High Steward of Scotland”应译成苏格兰加冕事务长,我们唯有在斯图亚特王朝条目中同时列出苏格兰加冕事务长之英文职称,来说明斯图亚特王朝和苏格兰加冕事务长之关系。
有关“Mayor of the Palace”,请参阅这里[1]--Clithering(tête-à-tête) 15:18 2007年3月10日 (UTC)
- 有关这条问题,我要花点时间才能答复,因为“加冕事务”与该职位最初设立时之职掌并不相乎。
- 至于Mayor of the Palace之解释如下:
- MAYOR OF THE PALACE. - The office of mayor of the palace was an institution peculiar to the Franks of the Merovingian period. A landowner who did not manage his own estate placed it in the hands of a steward (major), who superintended the working of the estate and collected its revenues. If he had several estates, he appointed a chief steward, who managed the whole of the estates and was called the major domus. Each great personage had a major domus - the queen had hers, the king his; and since the royal house was called the palace, this officer took the name of "mayor of the palace." The mayor of the palace, however, did not remain restricted to domestic functions; he had the discipline of the palace and tried persons who resided there. Soon his functions expanded. If the king were a minor, the mayor of the palace supervised his education in the capacity of guardian (nutricius), and often also occupied himself with affairs of state. When the king came of age, the mayor exerted himself to keep this power, and succeeded. In the 7th century he became the head of the administration and a veritable prime minister. He took part in the nomination of the counts and dukes; in the king's absence he presided over the royal tribunal; and he often commanded the armies. When the custom of commendation developed, the king charged the mayor of the palace to protect those who had commended themselves to him and to 1 The mayors of certain cities in the United Kingdom (London, York, Dublin) have acquired by prescription the prefix of "lord." In the case of London it seems to date from 1540. It has also been conferred during the closing years of the 19th century by letters patent on other cities - Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Bristol, Sheffield, Leeds, Cardiff, Bradford, Newcastle-on-Tyne, Belfast, Cork. In 1910 it was granted to Norwich. Lord mayors are entitled to be addressed as "right honourable." intervene at law on their behalf. The mayor of the palace thus found himself at the head of the commendati, just as he was at the head of the functionaries.
- It is difficult to trace the names of some of the mayors of the palace, the post being of almost no significance in ,the time of Gregory of Tours. When the office increased in importance the mayors of the palace did not, as has been thought, pursue an identical policy. Some - for instance, Otto, the mayor of the palace of Austrasia towards 640 - were devoted to the Crown. On the other hand, mayors like Flaochat (in Burgundy) and Erkinoald (in Neustria) stirred up the great nobles, who claimed the right to take part in their nomination, against the king. Others again, sought to exercise the power in their own name both against the king and against the great nobles - such as Ebroin (in Neustria), and, later, the Carolingians Pippin II., Charles Martel, and Pippin III., who, after making use of the great nobles, kept the authority for themselves. In 751 Pippin III., fortified by his consultation with Pope Zacharias, could quite naturally exchange the title of mayor for that of king; and when he became king, he suppressed the title of mayor of the palace. It must be observed that from 639 there were generally separate mayors of Neustria, Austrasia and Burgundy, even when Austrasia and Burgundy formed a single kingdom; the mayor was a sign of the independence of the region. Each mayor, however, sought to supplant the others; the Pippins and Charles Martel succeeded, and their victory was at the same time the victory of Austrasia over Neustria and Burgundy.
- See G. H. Pertz, Geschichte der merowingischen Hausmeier (Hanover, 1819); H. Bonnell, De dignitate majoris domus (Berlin, 1858); E. Hermann, Das Hausmeieramt, ein eclat germanisches Amt, vol. ix. of Untersuchungen zur deutschen Staatsand Rechtsgeschichte, ed. by O. Gierke (Breslau, 1878, seq.); G. Waitz, Deutsche Verfassungsgeschichte, 3rd ed., revised by K. Zeumer; and Fustel de Coulanges, Histoire des institutions politiques del' ancienne France: La monarchie franque (Paris, 1888). (C. PF.)
- 取自1911年版大英百科,已失去版权。--Clithering(tête-à-tête) 10:58 2007年3月11日 (UTC)
- See G. H. Pertz, Geschichte der merowingischen Hausmeier (Hanover, 1819); H. Bonnell, De dignitate majoris domus (Berlin, 1858); E. Hermann, Das Hausmeieramt, ein eclat germanisches Amt, vol. ix. of Untersuchungen zur deutschen Staatsand Rechtsgeschichte, ed. by O. Gierke (Breslau, 1878, seq.); G. Waitz, Deutsche Verfassungsgeschichte, 3rd ed., revised by K. Zeumer; and Fustel de Coulanges, Histoire des institutions politiques del' ancienne France: La monarchie franque (Paris, 1888). (C. PF.)