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it is said that Aamir Khan's Family were Originally from Herat,Afghanistan before they relocated to Karachi ,from Where they Moved to India. 178.32.76.147 (talk) 09:48, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
The part about the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan era: "Herāt was used by the Soviets." doesn't sound a very good English: was used as what? Military base? Checkpoint? Maybe would be ok to rewrite as "The Soviets kept military advisors/military units in Herat"
"there was a substantial presence of Soviet advisors in the city with their families." "Substantial" is not an accurate quantifier. What does it mean? Ten? One hundred? One thousand? Sources, by the way.
"some 35 Soviet citizens were killed. The Afghan Air Force, aided by the Red Army, bombed the city, causing massive destruction and some 24,000 civilian deaths." Sources, again.
"Herāt is presently a part of Afghanistan's new central government, led by Hamid Karzai, who was initially backed by the United States." This makes very little sense. A city isn't a "part of a government": a city is "under the government", or "loyal to the government" or something like that.
About Karzai, I daresay that he is still backed up by the US and the ISAF: claiming that Karzai "was initially backed" etc. implies that he isn't backed anymore. So, sources, maybe.
What map? The map of ethnic populations in Afghanistan with the main article? The scale is not sufficient for the municipality, if that is the map you think is used. Why not put this on the talk page for the article and discussion instead, or ask for a reference? KP Botany 21:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
To be honost, I'm really not in the mood to argue with anyone over the ethnic population of Herat or any other city of Afghanistan. If you guys want to add that the entire Afghanistan's population is Tajiks...you may go ahead and write this everywhere. You may also state that Kandahar is 100% Tajiks, like if this gonna change anything. I know the fact that User:Tajik is Qizibash or whatever you spell it...and this group of people are the least in Afghanistan. I don't even think they make 1% of Afghanistan's population. It is not my duty to come up with the exact number of ethnic people living in each city. As an Afghan and a proud Pashtun...I explain to westerners that since majority of the people speaking Dari, Farsi, Herati, Persian or whatever you call that language....this does not mean all of those are ethnic Tajiks. The best example is USA again....majority of people in USA speak Enlgish but that does not mean they are ethnic English people. You have people from every ethnic of the world living in USA and all speaking English. This is the case in Afghanistan.
User:Tajik goes around searching in garbage to find anything that mistakenly showes higher population of Tajiks in Afghanistan...and uses that falsely made information as evidence for his argument. This uneducated User:Tajik is clearly admitting to everyone here that his map from www.magix-photos.com Linkis the official estimate of Afghanistan's ethnic population. This User:Tajik assumes everyone in the world trust his trash that he finds online and expects us to believe his garbage. At the same time, this uneducated User:Tajik is strictly opposed to the map I provided from The University of Texas in Austin Link, which is a well known and most trusted University source. Even a non-talking donkey would turn face away from User:Tajik after learning of his nonsense and false information. User:Tajik is frustrated at Pashtuns for God knows why. I am not going to waste time with this uneducated User:Tajik any more, as I have much better things to do. We Pashtuns, with no doubts, have a very long history of ruling the region of Afghanistan. We successfully defeated Persians, Shias, British, Moghuls, Hindus, Russians and Tajiks. The Taliban were in fact Pashtuns and defeated the Tajiks after they assassinated Ahmad Shah Massoud on September 9, 2001. This is history and has nothing to do with my own nationalistic views. Iran, on the other hand, was badly defeated by Saddam Hussien in 1980s...and Iran does not have any history of winning any war. I am not against Iran in anyway by saying this...I am showing that I know more about history, which obviously makes me smart. Everybody is nationalistic in the world...this is nothing new...I would like User:Tajik to clearly say in here if he is nationalistic or not. Either he is or he is not...and nothing else. User:NisarKand November 13, 2006
This uneducated User:Tajik even goes to Pashtun people article and purposly removes the following information from there...Though no official sensus has ever been made in Afghanistan, an estimated 60 to 65% of all the people in Afghanistan speak Pashto Link. This uneducated User:Tajik does not believe anything or any source that showes higher number of Pashtuns or higher number of Pashto speakers in Afghanistan, meaning he or she has a serious ethnical problem with Pashtuns.
As I go to Kabul or other cities in Afghanistan...I see clowns posted many pictures or portraits of a dead Ahmad Shah Massoud everywhere...I ask my self why these clowns posting pictures of a dead person instead of the President of Afghanistan or even the vise President. This is what they call the work of silly clowns because these clowns are trying to make it appear as if Tajiks rule the country. Also, this is the precise reason why Taliban and others are regrouping. User:NisarKand November 13, 2006
This picture was replaced with an updated one, but I am placing it here in case we need it again in the future:
Parsiwan 21:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
User Tajik states that Most of Herat is Parsiwan, who are Shiite. But as far as I know, and I myself is from Herat, there are only a small minority of Shiite in Herat, who do trading most of all. Most of the land owners of Herat are Sunnis. But as I wrote in the article today there are many Hazara who settle in Herat with the help of Iran and the governer.
User Tajik states that Most of Herat is Parsiwan, who are Shiite. But as far as I know, and I myself am from Herat, there are only a small minority of Shiite in Herat, who do trading most of all. Most of the land owners of Herat are Sunnis. But as I wrote in the article today there are many Hazara who settle in Herat with the help of Iran and the governer.
How reliable is Encyclopedia Iranica?
What does Iranica says about Afghanistan about Parsiwans: (http://www.iranica.com/newsite/articles/v1f5/v1f5a040a.html)
Fa@rs^wa@n. Language: Dar^. Of the basic Mediterranean sub-stock, about 600,000 live near the Afghan-Iranian border or in the districts of Herat, Qandaha@r, GÚazn^, and other southern and western towns. The term Fa@rs^wa@n also has the regional forms Pa@rs^wa@n and Pa@rs^ba@n. In religion they are Imamite Shi¿ite. In the literature they are often mistakenly referred to as Tajik. Bibliog: P. English, “The Pre-industrial City of Herat,” Cities in the Middle East, ed. L. Brown, Princeton, 1973. H. Baghban, The Content and Concept of Humor in Magadi Theater, PhD thesis, Indiana University (University Microfilms 77-10-977).
Couple of remarks: Qandahar and Ghazni are NOT near the Iranian border, nor are they near the west. SO how reliable is this source anyway???!!! This is an Encyclopedia. And an Encyclopedia is not always right about every subject.
I have another question: if most of Heratis are Shiites then how come that at the last elections their representatives were not all elected to Wolesi Jirga & Provincial Council? Why did most of the Heratis choose Sunni's as their representatives? I can not believe it. If I am correct the first highest place in the Wolesi Jirga to be taken by a Shiite is the tenths place and he got only 1.8 % of all the votes; In the Provincial Council it is the second place and still this guy, called Najafi, got only 3.1 percent of all the votes. (http://www.results.jemb.org/province.asp?ProvinceID=24 )
Iranica may be an authority on Iran but it certainly is not on Afghanistan related subjects. There have been not any reliable researches about Afghan population for decades. So how can someone have exact numbers about the population of Afghanistan?
And for the Hazara immigration to Herat, look at all the tension there is the last years between Sunnis and Shiites in Herat. You act like you are an authority on Herat. I don't think you have ever been in Herat. Neither the one that wrote about the Parsiwans in Iranica.
And as the term Parsiwan: the Pashto speaking people in Afghanistan call every Persian speaker a Parsiwan, and some of them, in particularly the Taliban, accuse all the Farsi speakers of being Shiite. Due to this during the reign of the Taliban it was very hard for the Persian speaking majorities in Herat, and other parts of Afghanistan, because Taliban did not liked Shiites, and accused Tajiks of being Shiite and friends of Iran.
I don't know whether I ever will be able to convince you, but I will continue to correct your mistake. I am not an expert on all the other things you write about, but on Herat I know what I am talking about.IdrisModarres 00:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
There is a certain "tone" to all the arguments made in this page. There is a tone that tries to make everything "Afghan"="Pashtun" to core of its bone. I would like to ask everybody to please put away tribal-nationalism and tell the reality instead of fighting whether a city is "Afghan" or not. Wishing for a city to be a Pashtun city does not make it Pashtun. If a city was influenced by a non-pasthun culture, whether you like it or not, it must be mentioned as this is supposadly an encyclopedia and should be away from any biased. Please show less hate in your discussions. Thank you. --74.12.102.11 (talk) 23:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Native people of Herat are those who have lived in the region known by many names and many spellings such Latin Aryia, came from Greek Source Aria, Old Persian-Haraiva, Middle Pashtu-Haraeuua, and Arabic Hiryrat modern Herat. Today people may have difficulty knowing or defining native Heratis, and creating confusion over ethnicities etc, most people of Herat share the exact culture, tradition, and facial characteristics like the rest of their country man Afghans. However since years have past and globalization did takes place or it may specially during Arabs, when Islam was promoting intermarriages, Mongolian Timurids, further later during two Persian empires Safavid and Khwarezmian, perhaps like the Persian invasions or the Greeks Uzbeks/Arabs/Mongols/Turkistani may also had some influence in this part of the Afghan region. This is why many of those unrelated races from many nations assume people of Herat as their own, simply because they were considered to be from same linguistic community that belongs to a linguistic class assumes the rest of the region belongs to their own ethnicity. Well perhaps there are communities within Herat which supports their ideas such as well known few communities found such as "Arabs"-Semtics, "Amaq"-Persians, and other people from Tukristan nations such as related with Uzbekstan, Tajikistan. Ignore the majority or the native people and assume the whole of Herat as their own. So How do we define Heratis, conflict does arrive, what should we do?
The only way back is trough tribal means, in order to define modern Heratis, we must figure the Ancient tribes of the region, perhaps modern living tribe can trace to that linkage. A very shocking claim came by one of the users who considered Pure Herati, to be "Tajik". Such as Aziz Herawi who also claims the word Herawi" which means he is Herati. Although its shocking specially to Afghans, at the same time rubbish. I could easily come up with my own conclusion to who were these "Pure Heraties" if we refer to sources provided by famous well known European/Greek Historian, Herodotus, mentioining a tribe brought from Herat areas known as Saga-Rhuthia or Sagartioi, founded in the capital of Aria. According to Herodotus, Persian imperial King Xerxes bought out this fierce warriors with a high price, his army had total of 8000 strong Sagartioi riders dressed as Persian like the rest of army but were close to their neighboring "Pactyans"Pakthas in Race, "Their weapon of choice were also of Pactyans".
According to Caroe who points out the Durrani. Which can be true! I mean they have three major tribes all origin of Saka or Saga and one of those Panjpai Western sub-tribes maybe those in modern Herat could be Sag-A-ratieo (Sagartioi) of Herodotus. Please refer to Herodotus's book, also the book called THE PATHANS 55O B.C.-A.D. by OLAF CAROE, ST MARTIN'S PRESS 1958, now without any knowledge and with some 40% of Heratis are Pashtu speakers with some 75% connected with the rest of the tribes of the Afghanistan, its impossible to say Pure Heraties are are this or that or non-Afghans. One has to define Pure and then refer to historical texts. Therefore to people of Turkistan and Iran, I request that Afghans should be respected as who they are, not as who you want them to be. So if persons born to be from this region, please do not give their ethnicity unless, you have a reliable source, where that person claims that he actually does belong to one of those groups living in Iran/Turkistan, such as Tajik/Uzbek/Persian.
Thanks
There's serious doubts that the pictured flag is from Herat. Several contemporary plates show a different flag, and furthermore in 1930 Herat was not independent neither autonomous; I believe, agreeing with the main vexillological sources that the flag was the one of the short lived regime of Bacha-i-Sakwao (1929-1930)--83.56.237.47 (talk) 14:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
The Islamic conquest came with the Arabs who arrived in 7th century at which time Herat .
“ | even as late as the end of the 6th century the famous general Bahrām Chobin could use Herat as base for fighting the Turks . But durying the civil wars in the west which began immediately afterwards , the oasis slipped out of Sassanian hands . By the early seventh century it was considered enemy territory . When the Arabs arrived they found in Herat no marzban contrary to what they had done in safely held Sassanian bases such as Marv and Nishapur . The stereotype Arab accounts of conquest of course mention the conquerors(and there are several candidates for this honor) as well as the size of the tribute (1000,000 Dirhams). In reality the the enclave was more an allied principality than a subjugated province . . Only under the Abbasids and later the Tahirids Samanids , Ghaznavids[1] | ” |
Herāt was under the rule of King Nuh III of Samanid[2]the seventh of the Samanid line—at the time of Sebük Tigin and his older son, Mahmud of Ghazni.
The governor of Herāt was a noble by the name of Faik[3], who governed on behalf of Nuh III. Faik was a powerful, but insubordinate governor of Nuh III; and had been punished by Nuh III. Faik made overtures to Bogra Khan and Ughar Khan of Turkestan. Bogra Khan answered Faik's call, came to Herāt and became its master. The Samanids fled, betrayed at the hands of Faik to whom the defence of Herāt had been entrusted by Nuh III.[4]
In 994, Nuh III invited Alp Tigin to come to his aid. Alp Tigin, along with Mahmud of Ghazni, defeated Faik and annexed Herāt, Nishapur and Tous.<ref>{{cite book
|last1 = Skrine |first1 = Francis Henry |last2 = Ross |first2 = Edward Denison |title = The heart of Asia: a history of Russian Turkestan and the Central Asian Khanates from the earliest times |publisher = Routledge
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