Loading AI tools
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||
|
Text and/or other creative content from Kamikaze (card game) was copied or moved into Asshole (card game) with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
Hold on, hold on! There's a card game called 'asshole'? Jdaniels15 (talk) 02:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
"Fred Fuchs? His name might as well be Erect Cock!"
Within certain Mennonite communities in Canada, this card game is known as Schekjbenjel, a Plautdietsch (low German) word meaning Errand-boy. It is played with the most standard Asshole rules. the lowest ranking player is referred to as Schekjbenjel, and the highest ranking player is usually referred to as the King. the word Schekjbenjel was a term usually used for someone who is hired as a farm-hand (usually the neighbour's kid), but today it is more used as a friendly-Derogatory term (if such a thing can exist). Impreziv (talk) 05:21, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Dai Hin Min is the same game, and it has a big description too, it would be good to fuse the articles.
I know this one by the name 'high society' and we use the fewest rules possible. Makes for a super simple game that non card players can catch on to. It's a 'gateway game'. (shudder)
I know this game by the name Shithead. However, I think this page is "better" in that most of the content on that page is duplicated here. I suggest that any relative content from the Shithead article be moved here. Technostalgia 19:22, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia have guidelines for dealing with variations in rules to games? This is obviously describing something very similar to the (dozen or so variations on the) game I know exclusively as Asshole, but is just different enough that explaining the differences will be difficult. Lousy drunk people can't remember the rules from one time to the next... Tuf-Kat
The Great Dalmuti is not a President variant. It's a commercial game based upon the same principle as President, but with a special deck.
Hm, I'd say children's game. I learned to play it when I was 13, and played every day at school since. We played 3's high, and cards had to be the same "combination" (I dont know how to word this hence I didn't put it in the article) ie, if someone played a pair, all cards except 2's and 3's had to be in pairs etc... four 4's couldnt beat 2 5's etc.
I do accept that 3's high is a rare mutation that was specific to the group of people I played with though, even the people at the next lunch table over played 2's high.
We always played with 3's high as well, and occastionally high 4's (the thinking being that a 2 could beat a pair, 3 a triple, and 4 a quadruple). Another rule we played with is if there is a "run" of 3 or more (ie. on person plays a 10 next a J, then a Q) each of the people involved got to discard a card (two if it was doubles, and so on). I also agree that it is primarily a childrens game, we started playing it when we were 11 or 12, and while we occasionally still play it while drinking, we don't play it as a drinking game. priester
I first knew the game to be called "Warlords and Scumbags". I haven't added this alias to the article in case it is a rare variant, but if others have heard of the name then go ahead and add the alias. Whoever does should also link an article titled "Warlords and Scumbags" to this one. I hail from Brisbane, Qld, Australia (could be useful in determining the spread of this alternate name). Midg3t 06:40, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In Victoria, it can go by that name too. I think it's the dominant name here in Mildura, and at least some people know it by that name in Melbourne. It's a good gender neutral and relatively polite name. matturn 11:40, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
That name sounds familiar to me too (Sydney, Australia). I also know the game by the name Prince or Pauper. MyNameIsNotBob 07:22, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
I went looking for Warlords and Scumbags and had to Google it before I found this page. I'm from Adelaide, and I'd never heard it called anything but W&S. I learnt it (the game) from a group of people who possibly learnt it while they were in Canberra or Sydney... Alphax τεχ 09:31, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I am from Western Australia, and have heard this game referred to as "Presidents and Assholes" here, with the euphemistic name of "Ranks" in front of those likely to be offended by the correct title. With reference to Matturn's earlier comment regarding gender-neutral language, I think this article needs to be edited to be in keeping with this; I plan to make some changes momentarily. Neenish Tart 01:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I just made a bunch of changes to the article, my goal being to simply some of the earlier paragraphs, add to some of the later sections, and all the while illustrate how the game can vary. The variants of this game present a difficulty: since its most common incarnation is as a drinking game, the rules vary almost from party to party. I don't think there is any "most popular" version of this game. There seem to be a few different categories of variants. The first, of course, is whether the game is played for points or drinks. The second category of variants involves how a round ends: using the joker to clear the round, using the 2 to clear the round, and not having any card that can clear the round; all three of those agree that the round should be cleared when nobody can beat a player's cards. Then there's the issue of the rank of the cards. Those are rather complex, and they involve variations where the 2s have a certain power (when they're not a "clear" card), and where only higher ranked cards can be played, regardless of pairs, etc. I hope I didn't mess up the descriptions of those variants too much. I also added in more info on optional Presidential powers and rules, which in my experience are generally only relevant to the drinking game version, but if people know of Presidential powers that are used in the children's game version, that would be a good addition. Like some others here, I'm not at all familiar with the children's game variant, but I'll trust that it exists. It might be worth noting how this game fits into drinking culture, and how the drinking game's rules are fluid and vary from community to community (or even party to party). -Eisnel 19:14, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
I did a bit of simplifying and rewording myself, although I realise I probably should have read the whole article before adding "variations" to the Optional Rules. Sorry about that, -Blagh
At shithead (card game) beforehand, there was a clear distinction between this president and shithead, but this edit confused everything. I may revert it some time...--Dangherous 18:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
In my experience the rules for shithead and Presidents (or asshole, as the case may be) are different enough to the point where there is almost no overlap. Kyle J Moore 03:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I tried to clean up the play section so that it was more readable, especially to someone who does not know how to play. I deleted some redundancies and seperated play in to the "First Round" (Where there is no ranking) and "Succsessive Rounds". --Ismelstar 18:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
At Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not there is some controversy around a reasonable amount of info on the rules that should go into a card game article. /temp is an example of what a wikipedia card game article could be. Criticism is welcome.Punainen Nörtti 12:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll fix the Skip rule but I'm not sure what the other ones are. Ryan_1729 (login problem) 66.82.9.49 00:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I added the Lateral Moves variant which is mentioned in the "Skip", "Burn", and "Social" rules.--Ismelstar 19:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
How significant is the rule about not being able to play a 2 as the last card in a player's hand? Last I played this, there was practically a bloody brawl over it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Slowcheetah11 (talk • contribs).
This article needs a lot of work. I'm going to do what I can --AW 19:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I say that we delete the variant rules. - hmwithtalk 19:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
2 being clear and 4 being social is mentioned in the main rules. Those should be deleted. But yes, everyone just adds their house rules on here that are just from their city, state, school, friends, etc. It gets to be too much... without any sourcing (not that the game sources any references though either). - hmwithtalk 19:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Why, thanks! You're sure on top of this. I assume that other people will agree. The article does need cleanup, so this should help... or at least will be a first step. - hmwithtalk 19:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not legal drinking age, so i would also suggest that this would be edited or have another article concerning the non-alcoholic gameplay. JCcat 12:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Based on the above discussion, labelling Asshole/President/Scum definitively as a "drinking game" runs contrary to the experience of many editors and ultimately is not borne out by the available sources. While many "drinking game" versions can be found on the web when searched for, many non-drinking variations can as well. We can't conclude by Google-sampling which version is actually more popular or widespread; that's OR using a terribly innacurate methodology.
I would suggest that this article and Dai Hin Min be merged, and the resulting article describe the general play structure of the family of games, with additional discussion highlighting some specific variations (such as drinking game rules). According to the most authoritative source we have, Pagat, this family includes several international versions which we don't cover, and which won't fit into the false dichotomy created by the separate Dai Hin Min/Asshole article structure.--Trystan (talk) 20:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Whilst it comes from the same fundamental rules, the allowance of poker hands in Big Two renders the strategy hugely different to that found in Dai Hin Min. In both games, hand balance is important. In Dai Hin Min, however, the strategy is specifically determining the best time to play certain cards based on deduction of the only other possible hands, what cards have been seen, and what streams of play are therefore likely to result. Because of the "double value" of cards in Big Two (a four of spades is close to useless by itself in Dai, but hugely useful as part of a flush play in Big Two), determining the future streams of play is close to impossible - there is not enough information in card deduction alone to reveal future plays. The strategy in Big Two is not nearly as focused on card deduction as the strategy of Dai Hin Min. They are different games.(talk) 15:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.103.134 (talk • contribs)
I strongly disagree with the proposed merger. While DHM and Asshole do share a similar ruleset and Asshole is (in all likelyhood) derived from DHM, the differences that have evolved between the two games are socially signifigant. Asshole is a distinctly Western game and has incorporated into its base rules, besides the driking aspect, rules changes that are local variations (at most) in DHM.
While the relationship between the games is important, there is sufficient divergance (sp?) to justify considering them to be distinct games with an ancestor-decendant relationship. The current wording of the Asshole and DHM introductions express this relationship well and should be kept as is.
What should be considered, however, is a pointer to the DHM rules variation section from the Asshole article. Many of the variants mentioned are common house rules and/or additions made to the rules by the nomic nature of the Presidency's role in the game.
-- Levi "Karatorian" Aho 69.87.204.225 (talk) 04:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
This article currently describes the game as trick-based, but it doesn't meet the definition given in the "Trick-taking game" article, which defines a trick as a single round in which every player contributes exactly one card.--Trystan (talk) 21:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
referance #4 is a broken link 24.213.49.51 (talk) 03:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)ski
I'm not sure which one is the more common variation, the original variation was President correct me if I'm wrong. Therefore President should be the main page (or a split). Valoem talk 20:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I cleaned out a number of variations and house rules that didn't seem to have many (or any) references on the web. Nothing had references here either. --AW (talk) 06:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I didn't see any reason for the move. I think Asshole is by far the more prevalent name. For example, if you google asshole card game you get 1.1 million hits, while "scum card game is only 367,000. --AW (talk) 22:54, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
I've just been taught a card game new to me. I was told it is called 'Dork' (from Durak?), and the name and rules were apparently passed on from someone in Cuba to a person in London, UK. I can't find any rules for Dork, but the rules in this article 'President (card game)' are identical to the rules for Dork! Has anyone else used the name 'Dork' for this game? --Observer29 (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
The Great Dalmuti is just a commercially packaged variant of the folk game. That article serves nothing but a promotional purpose in stand-alone form like that. The designer name-dropping in it strongly suggests WP:COI / WP:SPAM. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 09:48, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Back in 2007, most of the local/quirky/seldom-used rule variants were stripped out in favor of the base game — with notable variants described in another section. It seems that a lot of the variants have snuck back in to the point where the main gameplay article is basically unreadable. What do y’all think — can we filter out some of the unsourced chaff? Grahamtalk/mail/e 02:14, 7 November 2017 (UTC) Grahamtalk/mail/e 02:14, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on President (card game). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
{{dead link}}
tag to http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/dg-ass.htmlWhen you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 16:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
In the section General Rules > Burning Cards, one line says "if you are celiaci, you automatically win the match". What is "celiaci"??? That's not an english word, doesn't appear anywhere else on the page & a web search only returned foreign language pages & references to celiac disease.
Will somebody please clarify what that line means, for me, please? ProphetZarquon (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey y'all. This game is also the same as the French Trouduc, an account of which appeared on page 20 (48 on the source) of 27/12/1987 of Sud-Ouest Dimanche[1]. A translation and further outlining of it is described in A Dictionary of Card Games pages 316-319 [2]. I think it's pretty interesting how it evolved, and Parlett makes the claim it evolved from Durak and Svoyi Koziri. Although I could see where the idea could originate from, I'm not sure if I entirely agree. Regardless, thought it would be a good idea to add this to the article. Since it's already active I figured I'd let the community decide on it too.
1. https://archives.sudouest.fr/storage/timemachine-so-prod/high?path=data/1987/12/27/04/00/54cb26c688e445d7ff911aa678db828f360389ebaa668c31572dcbb5be0fe7c7.jpg 1 (alt). https://archives.sudouest.fr/search/?page=2&page_number=&publication_date_from=27/12/1987&publication_date_to=27/12/1987&query=&sort=score 2. https://archive.org/details/dictionaryofcard0000parl_e8f2/page/316/mode/2up
Bobpaw (talk) 05:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
The article mentions bomb cards but doesn't really explain what a bomb card is 2600:1700:3870:FE40:79FE:6D9A:E0E:7C57 (talk) 04:20, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
This page still needs more work. It's very confusing and all over the place, especially the "notes on play" section. I just read a wiki page on a similar game called Zheng Shang You that also has a lot of variations and rules but was very simple and clear and also had a great section that made note of variations. Maybe the page on that game can help give a structure for this one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Shangyou?wprov=sfti1 Katiewoz (talk) 13:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Seamless Wikipedia browsing. On steroids.
Every time you click a link to Wikipedia, Wiktionary or Wikiquote in your browser's search results, it will show the modern Wikiwand interface.
Wikiwand extension is a five stars, simple, with minimum permission required to keep your browsing private, safe and transparent.