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Background: Page Weight Matters, by Chris Zacharias
Source: [ http://blog.chriszacharias.com/page-weight-matters ]
(Emphasis added, capitalization in original.)
(Reproduced under fair use: "The first factor is regarding whether the use in question helps fulfill the intention of copyright law to stimulate creativity for the enrichment of the general public, or whether it aims to only 'supersede the objects' of the original for reasons of personal profit.")
Given the above, I think that we should start a project -- a real project with measurable goals and a schedule -- to reduce page weight. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Guy that was a fascinating story and very very relevant for us.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:31, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}
17:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}
23:11, 23 May 2015 (UTC)...and with the choice of "Fight the power"... do you intend to declare war on your homeland? :-P
Other than that, considering British politicians were also previously interviewed, couldn't there have been more talk about their proposals to restrict and monitor the Internet? Not to mention banning HTTPS... -- Mentifisto 11:04, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Since you've previously made some strongly worded comments on alternative medicine, I feel that your input over here might be useful. -A1candidate 06:38, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
It's probably worth noting that the OP has just been given a 0RR restriction on acupuncture and 1RR on alt med more widely, by an uninvolved admin, and that he has tried several times to use Wikipedia processes to silence opponents, and failed every time. The "clean hands" doctrine is relevant here. Guy (Help!) 21:57, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello mr Wales,
You are hereby invited for a suprise visit to our wikinic sunday juin 7, in Louveigné, place des Combattants (starts at 16 hours) in Belgium. We are looking forward have a few Belgium beers with you and listen to your wise words about wikipedia.
Please donot respond! If you do it is not a suprise anymore ... Kolonel Zeiksnor (talk) 03:01, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
"When I first launched Wikipedia on 15 January 2001" . This is the truth, but not the whole truth, and highly misleading. It was Larry Sanger who launched the wiki, under the domain Nupedia.com, on January 10 2001. This was immediately followed by a sort of mutiny among the Nupedia volunteers. Carl Anderson, Professor of Classical Studies, Michigan State University, called the wiki 'silliness'. Gaytha Langlois, Professor of Ecology, Bryant College, Smithfield, thought it was merely a “variation on structured chat rooms”. Nearly all the academics objected, apart from John Horvath.
To resolve this, you suggested installing 'the wiki' under a totally different brand name. "That way, we separate the wiki from the Nupedia brand name. It is very important to all of us who have an emotional stake in Nupedia that we not harm the reputation of Nupedia". Shortly after (January 12th) you dismissed the wiki as a sort of chat room, and not even that. " The wiki software, in its current incarnation, is so wide open that it is hard to see it’s [sic] purpose other than as a chat room mechanism of sorts. Even then, I don’t know ". Larry came up with the name ‘Wikipedia’, and the wiki was re-launched under Wikipedia.com, January 15 2001.
In your closing speech at Wikimania 2014, you said that truthfulness is something that is 'very, very valuable' . "Obviously truthfulness is very important if you're writing an encyclopedia, because you're not supposed to just make stuff up." Well truthfulness starts at home, right?
Peter Damian (talk) 13:12, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Detail: Referring to Peter Damian and others’ edit warring to prevent the close of this section that has lost usefulness, suggesting “Surely this is for Jimbo to do?”, refer (among other places) to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Banning_Policy#Statement_by_Jimbo_Wales. There, @Jimbo Wales: states:
There is fairly universal agreement and understanding that there is an important reason why my talk page has to be handled somewhat differently from others as a traditional space to have philosophical debates about the principles of the project, and for editors with grievances to have a chance to be heard. That openness to criticism and debate is part of what has made Wikipedia successful. At the same time, ending useless conversations with people who have no interest in actually fixing anything is also part of what has made Wikipedia successful. The difference between the two will always be difficult to draw.
Further comment from Jimbo is not likely. I think most would agree that even if this did start as a “useful conversations” (i.e., a philosophical debates about the principles of the project, nor about grievances of the original poster - although the OP’s actions suggest its purpose was to generate commentary to then be mocked off-Wiki), it has certainly devolved into a “useless conversation”. Thus, it would be a reasonable thing to close this section, and one clearly supported by past precedent (discussed many times at this talk page) as well as by Jimbo’s comments I referenced.
TLDR: WP:DNFTT. JoeSperrazza (talk) 16:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
I object to this unilateral close. The editor that some found offensive is no longer dominating the conversation. Jimbo has commented on his own behalf. I don't see this thread as essentially any different than dozens of prior ones that discuss a recent media report about WP and Wales' role as co-founder and spokesperson. It could be that the discussion is done but in either case I think it should be allowed follow its natural course.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:50, 25 May 2015 (UTC)-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:52, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Peter Damian brought here some straight and unambiguous facts regarding the origins of the Wikipedia. The facts possibly contradict Jimbo's claims in a recent interview, but they seem to be supported by relevant evidence. Peter Damian laid out some questions, maybe not packed in a nice pink box (...truthfulness starts at home...), but fair questions laid out straightly, without any apparent intention to discredit anyone. I think that it is a big mistake to confuse this attitude with trolling. I also think it is a mistake to start a response by pointing to someone's "typical" (bad) behavioral patterns. By this, you try to discredit the messenger before you actually address the message. I learn to avoid such generalization and grudge-bearing in real life, and also here on Wikipedia.
It is very difficult to retain opinion consistency in the Internet age, as we are changing and we forget while the Internet memory is frozen and unforgiving, always prepared to convict us of "our sins". We are different people than we were 10 or 15 years ago, but it doesn't mean it is a crime to question our past claims.
At the end, this conversation led to subsequent clarifications in the article History of Wikipedia, which were not questioned by anyone, for the time being. It is an interesting and productive conversation, in my opinion, even if not comfortable for everyone. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 08:55, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
"Icky"I see an open, somewhat loaded question and I also see just plain name-calling personal attacks. One of these people is trolling here. (hint: It's not Peter) KonveyorBelt 21:05, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
For the record, see I was wrong, and I apologize…. JoeSperrazza (talk) 18:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
At first, I thought Peter Damien was just gathering information for a book. But of course, he can't be - because he is well aware that per terms of service, "you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation" (and yes, that does include talk-page posts). 81.168.78.73 (talk) 08:42, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Climate_change_mitigation&diff=664135308&oldid=664040912
Tim AFS (talk) 04:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bayu Antasari. Hey, Jimbo! I think I found another case of paid advocacy editing here. Does it require a CheckUser? Please chime in there. Thanks. Gparyani (talk) 20:42, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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Yesterday an administrator blocked my regular IP 156.61.250.250 for six months. The block reason on the block notice was "persistent disruptive editing". Normally if an administrator feels there is a problem he will go to the user's talk page, give his thoughts, and allow the user a period to respond before blocking. In this case this did not happen. I feel the administrator's action was outside community guidelines and should be grateful if you would review it. 217.44.56.219 (talk) 10:07, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Sadly, there is no link to any evidence, and Joe's link above is to a blank page. 217.44.56.219 (talk) 12:17, 29 May 2015 (UTC) See also User talk:Peter Damian#I was wrong and I apologize:
Doesn't look as if Joe's behaviour has improved any. 217.44.56.219 (talk) 12:37, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Article: Common Era. Edit date 14:13, 27 May 2015. Removed "although scholars today generally agree that he miscalculated by a small number of years." Source [20]:
Source [21] - deadlink Source [22]:
Article Dionysius Exiguus:
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If you want to be fair to the IP user you can lift the block yourself. You have second mover advantage. 86.171.246.74 (talk) 17:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
"This Kinda reminds me of 1984..." Quoting from Jehochman's RfA: 86.163.126.17 (talk) 18:30, 1 June 2015 (UTC) I more or less missed all the drama but since a comment I made a while back has come into play here, I just wanted to weigh in and say that while I do request that we be more tolerant than normal on this page, particularly when people are bringing complaints to me, I also request that trolls not be given an infinite soapbox for harassment of me or others. This means judgment calls will have to be made sometimes, and I think there's no reason to have any drama about them. If you think a block was premature for this page, then revert it. If you think someone really really needs a block, then block them. That's all. No need for good people to get too worried about any of it.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 18:47, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@Future Perfect at Sunrise: I'm going to try and bring Future Perfect into the discussion by following the instructions which he has printed at the top of his talk page. 86.163.126.17 (talk) 16:16, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
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Sanger became an unperson due to thoughtcrime!--216.186.248.166 (talk) 20:40, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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Yet another trolling thread by block-evading IP |
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Jimbo, two good faith questions at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/NeilN have been removed, the editor who submitted them has been blocked and the voting and discussion pages have been locked. These actions were performed by Berean Hunter, whose edit summary was IPs aren't people. At a time when so many bad things are happening (paid editors, huge sock farms, editors being globally locked etc.) this strikes at the integrity of the RfA process (designed to weed out the "bad apples" as one contributor to the RfA put it) and shows a cynical disregard for the open and democratic processes which Wikipedia needs if it is to continue to secure the funding and support of the public. It is also disrespectful of the hard work that ordinary members of the public put in to keep Wikipedia up - to - date and informative. Can you step in to halt this abuse, bearing in mind that according to Berean Hunter's user page this RfA has only seven hours to run? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.51.33 (talk) 13:19, 7 June 2015 (UTC) An editor asked Neil if he was going to answer the twelfth question and his reply was
So now candidates get to decide what questions are put up for them to answer. Meanwhile, administrators remove oppose comments and lock the voting and discussion pages. I've examined the oppose comment that Berean Hunter protected against and find comments by Neil that the opposer linked to to be disquieting.
The response to that was
There is intimidation coupled with ignorance of WP rules:
The "pointy edits" added a sourced statement by an art expert that a picture was not Muhammad forbidding nasi, as claimed by Neil. The threats continue:
An editor comments on Neil's uncollegial editing:
The personal attacks continue unabated:
He derails discussion with irrelevant issues:
Francoise - is he a transvestite? He twists facts to win a point
Note that not one art expert who has investigated the matter believes Neil's claim. He twists the facts again:
He misrepresents the sources:
Then the personal attacks start up again:
The twisting of facts continues:
An expert editor tries to set Neil right:
Neil seems to have a track record for this behaviour:
The expert editor quoted above tries again:
No wonder Neil was so desperate to get the material removed from his RfA. The administrators who abetted him are just taking the mick. I want to get a debate started here about what we can do about this. First, if an oppose comment is revdeletable, revdelete it. If it's not, leave it. Simple. There's been comment on ANI about administrators abusing the revdeletion tool. We can cross that bridge when we come to it. Secondly, there is no need ever to semiprotect. Revdeletion and RBI work just fine. If an administrator does protect, two things should happen automatically: (1) the page(s) get(s) unprotected and (2) the discussion will run on for seven days after the unprotection. If anyone removes an oppose comment without revdeleting or asking for revdeletion and the comment remains in history the comment is restored and the RfA runs for seven days after the restoration. I'm hoping to get consensus here for the unprotection of Neil's RfA page and a continuation of discussion for one week - also a temporary desysop if he doesn't agree not to use his tools until the matter is resolved. 86.183.18.194 (talk) 14:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
To illuminate, these were the IP's two "good faith" questions: It's rather unfortunate that in addition to your RFA, the administrators, in what is a sheer act of cowardice, have protected even the talk page. A blatant effort to disregard comments by anonymous detractors. Here's the eleventh question that you must answer:
103.6.159.179 (talk) 15:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC) Another question, a much simpler one:
Also note that both the questions must be answered before your RfA gets over, that is, in about 5 hours. You have enough time. 103.6.159.179 (talk) 15:39, 7 June 2015 (UTC) --NeilN talk to me 17:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
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Barek says that an editor who was blocked for alleged edit warring has a long history of vandalism. That is obviously untrue. Future Perfect alleges that threads which were started by different IPs were all started by the same person. Again obviously untrue. The editor who wrote this , and who was quickly blocked for five years, appears to be Dutch. That's not me.
He made the same accusations against other editors and quickly hatted the thread (the one immediately above this) when he was proved wrong.
The originally blocked editor was blocked at 15:33 on 2 March for 31 hours. The reason given was edit - warring on several articles. S/he added a line to Leap year which stated
The mean tropical year, (which is the same thing as the interval between mean vernal equinoxes), is virtually fixed.
At 13:20 Karl Palmen reverted under the edit summary Undo revision 649529978 (untrue statement). However, the article Tropical year quotes the official definition as follows:
The natural basis for computing passing tropical years is the mean longitude of the Sun reckoned from the precessionally moving equinox (the dynamical equinox or equinox of date). Whenever the longitude reaches a multiple of 360 degrees the mean Sun crosses the vernal equinox and a new tropical begins.
The reverted text was a succinct and accurate summary of that definition.
The editor did make four reverts to Gregorian calendar, but no three of them were within 24 hours.
The second block was at 11:01 on 4 March, the reason being continued disruptive editing immediately after last block. Future Perfect has said that this means edit warring. In the interval between blocks there was an edit to Leap year which was in line with the official definition quoted above. There was also an edit restoring material to Gregorian calendar, but after counsel from Joe Sperrazza no further effort was made to restore it.
The difference in attitude is obvious. Joe enters into discussion with the editor. Future Perfect, knowing that he is involved, could have referred to the edit warring notice board or discussed, which any other administrator would have done, but again blocks without warning.
The third block was at 14:32 on 10 March, the reason given being persistent edit warring. In the interval between blocks there was one revert of Jc3s5h on Gregorian calendar. The material which the editor added (and which Jc3s5h objected to) was added to another article by Jc3s5h later. During the same period the editor added the same material to Tropical year and was reverted twice by Jc3s5h. But as stated above, this is the material which Jc3s5h later added to an article, and the article to which he added it was Tropical year.
Any lingering assumption of good faith towards Future Perfect would have been dissipated by this third block, which as can be seen followed nothing remotely resembling edit warring, just the normal back and forth between editors which is replicated 200,000 times a day. 151.224.136.14 (talk) 09:53, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello Jimbo! I know that English Wikipedia has a little relation to other Wikipedias (responsibility), but I ask your help (other method stop anarchy from the side of Russians administrators does not exist in the nature). They block users under any stupid reason (to be free of punishment for violations against rules of Wikipedia). Several of them. Main violator:User talk:OneLittleMouse. He protects any article which is related to the Russian Orthodox Church (when info - terrible murders of this church hundreds years ago). They burned live people like the Catholic chuch if not more. I ask stop Russian vandals with flag of administrator. This can be separate case (when you defend something in other jurisdiction). Best option - block Onelittlemouse forever (in any Wikipedia). He has no any relation to Knowledge (only block people on illegal grounds). He far (he brave only by this reason). Removal of whole sections related to crimes of the Orthodox church - also action of Onelittlemouse. Criminal Christianity governs in Russian Wikipedia instead Knowledge. Last vandalism was several minutes ago (warning for Mouse). Without help of English Wikipedia - nothing will be changed. Thank you! https://translate.google.ru/ 95.29.92.118 (talk) 12:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
"Mouse, you watches this page (even fool understands this). Welcome to Jimbo Wales to explain him reasons of your vandalism! You have legal right to explane. But if you does not wish explain - you are violator on highest level and you have great chance be punished via some method. If God does not exist in the nature, you will be punished (God keeps silent because he does not exist). 95.29.143.183 (talk) 14:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC)" 95.29.143.183 (talk) 14:43, 8 June 2015 (UTC).
Jimmy Wales,
I have a mind of an entrepreneur, and a sense of future market trends. I writing to see when or if Wikipedia will have links to video learning content. Are their barriers to entry in using You-Tube for this? Is the infrastructure too to large for Wikipedia to handle?
-John Mullaney [email redacted] Minneapolis MN 55401 67.6.45.215 (talk) 01:06, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
With the recent Triple Crown win of race horse American Pharoah, the unusual name spelling as "pharoah" has re-kindled issues of the 165-year spelling in painting title "Pharoah's Horses" (1848) by John Frederick Herring (see 1849 print in British Museum catalogue link: BritM284). Again, the Internet, outside Wikipedia, is difficult to search for history of archaic or variant spellings, so this is another subject WP could/should handle, possibly as a footnote in the article "Pharaoh" with mention of the alternate form as "rarely 'pharoah' " or such. The popular cry of 'pharoah' as being misspelled is too simplistic to the 200-year spelling issue. Things to ponder. -Wikid77 (talk) 22:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
The Wikipedia stats for May 2015 are now up in the usual place. The very active editor numbers (100+ edits) for May 2015 are good but not great, erasing some but not all of the decline we experienced in 2014. (LINK). At English-WP the May count of core volunteers sits at 3225 — up 5.7% from the same month last year. For all projects combined the figure is 10,064 — up an even less robust 3.87% agains the abysmal May 2014 figures, although the increase was general with only Farsi, Indonesian, and Romanian showing significant declines over previous-year numbers among the active non-English encyclopedias. Armenian-WP nearly doubled to 61 very active editors. About 32% of very active editors do their thing on English-Wikipedia, for what it's worth.
With respect to another key metric, new articles per day, that's not so pretty — down to 779 on En-WP, a decline of 1.8% from 2014's already weak figure. (LINK). At a glance it looks like a catastrophe for the same stat for all Wikis combined, with a drop of a massive 27.6% showing against last year. Fortunately, that seems to be a simple matter of fewer machine translations, with much of the drop attributable to falls in the inflated 2014 counts for Vietnamese, Waray-Waray, and Serbo-Croatian. Still, May 2015 was not as good a month for Wikipedia as was April. —Tim Davenport //// Carrite (talk) 13:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
I see Gizmodo has run a story about you. I'm curious what you think about it, particularly the stuff about Bomis that is discussed a great deal (e.g. "With the titty-driven funding from Bomis pulled, Wales established Wikipedia as a charity enterprise back in 2003...") Everymorning talk 00:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Pretty rubbish encyclopedia that says the Jewish festival of Passover or Pesach/Pesah is a one day gig when, in actual fact it lasts for seven or eight days without eating leavened bread. This is on the Swedish WP where white Christian males tend to write everything according how to they see the world. Sabaths and festivals may go from sunset to sunset in the Christian church, but in Judaism the conclusion of the sabbath or festival, marked by the havdalah ceremony, is extended to nightfall when three stars are visible in the sky. But the Swedish article on Passover gives the Christian practice for Christian sabbaths. This has been picked up by Swedish radio and the errors persist and are disseminated.
I would correct this myself if it wasn't for the fact that I am blocked on Swedish WP. RPSM (talk) 12:11, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
I was so impressed that the G7 endorsed fossil fuel phase out but confused months with years. I hope our countries can give yours universal health care, free public education through college, and plastic structural fiberglass lumber in return. What do you want to fix next? Tim AFS (talk) 13:51, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
My motivation for starting Wikipedia:Global agenda came from comments in the third paragraph posted by you on this talk page at 18:58, 4 May 2015 (UTC). That paragraph is reproduced below.
I have always said that we are more than just a highly technical effort - Wikipedia is a moral statement about the kind of world we would like to live in. I see room for action in this kind of situation, but rather than having this conversation at the moment of emergency, where all the usual complexities tend to weigh against action of any kind, I'd rather see us have a more focussed and serious conversation about how we ought to use our invisible and unused power to put things on the global agenda in a major way.
Here are links to two archived discussions related to Wikipedia:Global agenda.
Participation has dwindled at Wikipedia:Global agenda and its talk page, and at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Global agenda. Wikipedia:Meta has been suggested as a more appropriate place for such a discussion, but I (and probably many others) do not have a global watchlist. Therefore, I suggest that this talk page be used for "a more focussed and serious conversation". As in the case of Wikipedia:Global agenda, I have no particular contribution to make (except to say that I do not support political advocacy). Therefore, after this introduction, I wish to step aside and let other editors discuss "how we ought to use our invisible and unused power to put things on the global agenda in a major way".
—Wavelength (talk) 16:09, 12 June 2015 (UTC) and 16:32, 12 June 2015 (UTC) and 17:36, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
The topic of oral history keeps coming up and I do think we can deal with it in our general framework without ruling it out entirely. The question is not about absolute reliability, like everything else the question is about relative reliability -is there a more reliable source? Let me try an example: say there is a town of 50,000 people in the interior of India that hasn't had a newspaper or publishing house during its long history. It has been mentioned by others but only briefly in the following way "Joe visited it in 1580," "they sent Bob as a representative to the x meeting in 1720." etc. Summarizing those reliable sources we might be able to say "The town has existed since at least 1580." Can't say much of anything else, leaving our coverage biased. But what if an editor interviewed the retired head of the local school on videotape? Or perhaps the local priest, minister, religious figure. A 10 minute video included in the article on the guy's understanding of the town's history would be as reliable as anything else. Perhaps if a university did the video it might be considered slightly more reliable, but the reader would be able to judge the reliability by himself. Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:22, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
The Mail is in a lather over this.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:51, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
'Hopefully teenagers will be able to add this ludicrous spending to Wikipedia’s ever-increasing list of the ways council bureaucrats waste taxpayers’ money'-Is that actually about a specific article? List of the ways council bureaucrats waste taxpayers’ money doesn't exist. Rubbish computer 16:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I have started the page Wikipedia:Supports.—Wavelength (talk) 01:46, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I had originally planned to name the page Wikipedia:Support (singular noun), but I used Wikipedia:Supports (plural noun) instead, for two reasons.
However, the page has been renamed as Wikipedia:Support, and I do not know what shortcut to use with that name.
—Wavelength (talk) 03:28, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Anybody concerned that Wikipedia's search function returns the error: An error has occurred while searching: Search is currently too busy. Please try again later.? Maybe Jimbo could replace the WMF search developers with the team from Wikia Search (the Google killer)? - 70.192.138.241 (talk) 12:44, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
The article in Wikipedia on dog meat is highly offensive to me as a dog lover. I was sent the link through twitter. Please remove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.90.129 (talk) 19:20, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Seriously, though, Islamic and Jewish communities have about the same feelings concerning pork that the US has about dog meat, and yet we have articles like Bacon explosion, which does contain a recipe. Once you start censoring to avoid offending people, where does it end? Do we accommodate vegans? Rastafarians? --Guy Macon (talk) 17:15, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
@AndyTheGrump: I sympathise. Rubbish computer 22:00, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
I resemble these remarks. -Roxy the non edible dog™ (resonate) 18:15, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Personally I find c*nsorsh*p highly offensive and I think it should be censored. Rubbish computer 12:45, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Personally I feel that censoring articles about censorship being censored should be censored in order to prevent further censorship, and that this decision should be reached through a census in order to determine consensus, or rather censonensus because it should also be censored in order to achieve irony and that censorship of consensus should also be censored in order for censorship of censorship to remain censored and that this discussion should also be censored to prevent censorship from gathering consensus. Rubbish computer 16:15, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Hello, thanks God I speak English well, and hereby I can type what my problem is with this administrator. Since long time, I contribute as a faithful edior at our Wikipedia. As I opened a page for Savaş Buldan in turkish language. It was wiped immediately by him by saying no Notability. I told him that he was doing wrong, also that the page was already existing in Kurdish since 2012, and in English since 2008 with all references. What he did is just to repeat his warnings. I complain him, and I believe that he should be replaced by someone else. Thank a lot and best regards. Anton.aldemir (talk) 16:51, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
A case of the pot calling the kettle black apparently, but is this acceptable? The infantile and attention-seeking thread involved can be found at Talk:Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#BLP_issue:_Jewishness_in_lead. Dominique Strauss-Kahn's apologist have always believed he was the victim of a honey-trap regarding his New York folly, which he has said he is not proud of. I should like, in my immature and incivil way, to see that mentioned in his BLP. 109.153.80.183 (talk) 18:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
There are some significant problems with an article about transgender, on another wikipedia.The fourth sentence in that article states that "A person with transgenderness is called transgendered or transsexual". Does that sentence need a rewrite or should one search for the best references for that claim (and perhaps even for an unrelated claim about the moon being made of cheese)? There is also a problem with an administrator on another wikipedia, who has gotten at least one innocent person blocked on English At the foreign language this administrator had a contributor blocked one minute after his first and only edit. (Edit at 11.24 and block at 11.25:
Another contributor was banned after his second edit, this edit the administrator removed all mention about 4 countries officially implementing a practice of permitting a person to register as a third gender, rather than male or female. (The first edit was to create an article about Ulfberht swords, the second edit was on the article about Transgender.) I also submit what the administrator said about the contributor at English (who turned out to be innocent): "@Vanjagenije: I think the behavioural evidence is so strong that the accounts could be blocked without running CU. Here's some more details:". This guy was unblocked after he complained:
--Steppingstoner (talk) 14:09, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
I thought this might interest you. According to this commentary, "One of the worrying aspects of the ECHR decision is that it may encourage the idea that intermediaries are liable for "manifestly unlawful" content."
I'm pretty sure manifestly illegal stuff is always deleted from English language WMF projects the moment it's reported. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 14:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
The sexists, Republicans, and anally-retentive rule-followers have succeeded in changing the title of this woman's biography from her preferred Hillary Rodham Clinton to Hillary Clinton. Another great day for the callous boys club that is the Wikipedia community. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 09:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
"We haven't given any weight to the arguments that because she is a woman and chose to keep her maiden name Wikipedia should be bound by that as we can't see that that is reflected in the article titles policy (see following dot points as well)."
It seems that all available evidence is that in this particular case it doesn't matter from the perspective of search engines being able to direct people appropriately. It probably does matter from the perspective of understanding - it's an important part of her public persona that she has chosen to keep her birth name in this fashion. (Naming conventions are changing, and she's an important catalyst in that.) And it certainly matters from a BLP perspective - and that's true even though it is a relatively minor matter.
For the Jackass who started this thread, Hillary Clinton calls herself Hillary Clinton on her campaign website. I suggest you drop the stick and find more windmills to tilt at. Calidum T|C 14:35, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Is Hillary Clinton an anally retentive Republican?. Anyway, constipation is a serious condition, so let's have a little sympathy for the stuck-up bastards.Anythingyouwant (talk) 14:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
from the decision was like? Each one of these closers have lost any 'Support' for any position of authority on Wikipedia from me, and have a well earned "Oppose". If the Gamergate decision didn't show what a boys club this place is, this most certainly cemented it for me. Dave Dial (talk) 16:31, 11 June 2015 (UTC)"We haven't given any weight to the arguments that because she is a woman and chose to keep her maiden name Wikipedia should be bound by that
Move along folks. We have redirects to cope with this trauma. Your energy is better spent fixing up articles. I bet Hillary doesn't give a shit what Wikipedia says, nor should she. Trying to conflate the rename with some kind of hatred of women or sexist ganging up is patently absurd. To run to Jimbo like some kind of headmaster to rectify some kind of evil action is absolutely pathetic. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:13, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
In light of these comments I propose a change to Hillary Rodham (voter pronunciation: Hillary Clinton). Although a little wordy it sums up the reasons for all this nonsense in the first place, and is probably the most accurate of the lot. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 20:43, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
I hope whoever writes the next analysis of the gender gap on Wikipedia takes a look at the discourse in this thread. I'll get started: hysterical, shrill, hysterical, "move along", "get over it...relax...move on", silly...melodrama, boxers in a wad, hysteria, grow up, "trust me", "shrill...waste of time...moving on". Oh, and despite the gendered language, it's actually not a matter of sexism and this has nothing to do with sexism. Glad to hear you Serious Encyclopedia Builders are moving yourselves along, because those of us who find this decision and closing statement problematic are clearly busy getting the vapors. Opabinia regalis (talk) 00:46, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
She must be following Wikipedia, and gotten the message, for the first major rally of her campaign: Hillary's rally and rationale: More Rodham, less Clinton Wbm1058 (talk) 03:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
The problem with the infoboxes isn't either sexism or politics. The problem with the infoboxes is that Wikipedia thrives on OCD and people with OCD don't like leaving a couple of exceptions behind. So you get infoboxes universally used whether they are appropriate or not. This problem is endemic to Wikipedia and is why there are so many problems with people blindly following rules without considering individual cases. Ken Arromdee (talk) 04:42, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I'll bite - what is the reason that Republicans (according to some) want the article to be HC whereas Democrats want HRC? I don't see any political implications whatsoever. (This isn't "Barack Obama" vs "Barack Hussein Obama".) It seems to be a politically neutral issue. --B (talk) 18:14, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
I pretty much responded with the exact same vacuous abuse just to show him how cheap it is. Surely such mindless rudeness is not allowed here? Captain JT Verity MBA (talk) 17:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
It's a good thing that modern genetic testing can prove that there really is only an infintesimal difference between any appearently distant groups such as say, Autrailian aboriginals, Native Americans, Chinese, and Brits, so we can dispense with the whole silly notion of 'race' and 'breeds' among humans. At the same time, it is amazing that these minor differences allow such a rich variation in phiysical traits and allow tracing of ancestry. As far incivility goes, I don't feel that one persons incivility can ever excuse or justify someone else's. Nyth63 23:00, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Since both editors were equally rude to each other, I don't see what you expect us to do about it Captain. But yes, editors are certainly suppose to do our best to assume good faith and treat others with civility, which isn't what this looks like for either of you. Best thing to do in most of these types of cases is just move on. Use citations/references when you add content in the future, to show editors where you got the information from. CorporateM (Talk) 05:46, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Is there any appropriate award for this edit/editor ? And may I have a peer review of my revert of that edit - before she pisses on the subject again, and his grave as of today? --Gazprompt (talk) 15:24, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Alastair Sloan, a London-based journalist focused on human rights and injustice, has written some words of wisdom about the Wikipedia co-founder and the future. --2001:558:1400:10:6CA9:5BD4:3938:6DEF (talk) 18:34, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
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