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Preoccupied now. Will reply later. Brief comment: for main ideas, it is better to have several concordant authoritative sources; I think such concordance is a good component of reliable sourcing. I think that internet references, such as The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, are mostly poor things to cite as 'reliable sources'. Paper-and-ink printed books that can be found in libraries are much preferable.Chjoaygame (talk) 02:28, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, of course you are right that the ordinary world consists of actual facts, which are out there, and which constrain the rightness or wrongness of an ontological theory, and which define ordinary reality. No doubt there. Ordinarily, we may leave the qualifier 'ordinary' tacit, but here we may say it, for definiteness.
But there are worlds other than the ordinary world. James Bond lives in one of them, perhaps even, over the decades, in several of them. The integers exist in another world, even in several other worlds. But, in a useful sense, such other worlds are not that of the ordinary reality of the ordinary world. They are fictional, mathematical,..., whatever, worlds. They may even have some real aspects, though not fully defining ordinary reality.
Each of these worlds has its ontology. Indeed, a world may easily have several ontologies, some better than others, for some purposes. Whitehead says "There remains the final reflection, how shallow, puny, and imperfect are efforts to sound the depths in the nature of things. In philosophical discussion, the merest hint of dogmatic certainty as to finality of statement is an exhibition of folly."
Your use of the word 'actual' is key. A basic concept in Whitehead's scheme is that of an 'actual entity'. Things are real insofar as they are founded in actual entities. Does this make sense?Chjoaygame (talk) 21:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I think you are right to say that science is about more than just truth. For example a lucky guess might be true, but we wouldn't call it scientific. Another important ingredient, I think, is providing justification for the claims. In the empirical sciences this happens through the scientific method which involves sensory observations that in principle every "normal" observer would make when put in the right situation. But this doesn't work for formal sciences like mathematics. And it seems to me that this also doesn't get you very far in philosophy. One way to apply this idea from the empirical sciences is to extend the scientific method by allowing non-sensory evidence, e.g. from what we might call "rational intuition". In this interpretation philosophy and, by extension, ontology are sciences in a wider sense: they aim at truth, and they try to get there by providing evidence and arguments based on this evidence. It's just that they rely on evidence that isn't accepted (but often presupposed) by the empirical sciences. Ideally this evidence is also such that every "normal" rational being would accept it so that there is a general scientific consensus at least on the foundations. This is the part where philosophy is still lacking behind compared to other sciences.
At least that's the view that I find most attractive. But of course it doesn't work if you remove truth from the equation.
I think basically we are in agreement that, for most part, printed publications are more reliable because more effort goes into ensuring the quality and reliability of their contents.Phlsph7 (talk) 12:50, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
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Hi there Phlsph7, a belated welcome to Wikipedia! I came across the page you created Extended modal realism while doing new pages patrol. I just wanted to drop by to leave a couple of notes. First, I see you used a version of your extended modal realism text to make Modal_realism#Extended_modal_realism. It's generally poor practice for us to host several paragraphs of the same text in two different articles since it makes keeping that text up-to-date more challenging (someone might update one but forget the other). For what it's worth, I'd recommend shortening the material at Modal_realism#Extended_modal_realism to make it more of a high-level summary of Extended modal realism. A second note, the text at Extended modal realism is quite dense. Wikipedia articles should be accessible to a broad audience. Articles on very niche topics need not be understandable to all, but we should aim to write articles that are understood outside of our field to the extent possible. Perhaps you could have a non-philosopher take a look and tell you what parts they struggle with? Otherwise I hope all is well. If you have questions/concerns, you can ask me here, or find faster more experienced help at WP:TEAHOUSE. All the best, Ajpolino (talk) 20:39, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
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Hey, thanks so much for your additions to the logic article. They're huge improvements and I really appreciate the energy you must have spent to make them. I'm going to tinker with the prose and structure to try to make it more accessible. I apologize in advance if this is annoying (I know I sometimes feel that way when people go messing with things I've written!), and I'll be sure to respect the intent behind your contributions and open a discussion before making any substantive changes. Botterweg14 (talk) 19:05, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Philosophers in the 20th century started to investigate the "evidential relation", the relation between evidence and the proposition supported by it. User:Phlsph7
Why is this unnecessary? Uni3993 (talk) 20:31, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Phlsph7 (talk) 16:11, 26 January 2022 (UTC)In order for something to act as evidence for a hypothesis, it has to stand in the right relation to it, referred to as the "evidential relation" in philosophy.
Was that you who removed my comment on Dunning-Kruger? And if so, why?
This whole Dunning-Kruger thing is a big mistake and most of what is being written about it is quite incorrect -- even though some of it is being written by bright thoughtful people.
I've been watching is since the beginning with some amusement, and am now concerned that it is morphing into serious academic error -- so I would like to hear from you if you don't see that point.
My e-mail is david.lloydjones@gmail.com (I don't operate anonymously, unlike all the bullshit artists out there) and it would be best if you'd just answer me directly rather than through the cumbersome Wikipedia pages. Best wishes, -dlj.
Umm - why did you revert that revision on Philosophical methodology? The paragraph is unwieldy to say the least - nearly impenetrable. The paragraph is not a paragraph that anyone wrote; rather, it is the accumulation of multiple revisions and additions over several years. People keep adding to it, until it looks like the way it does. "A camel is a horse designed by committee." The fact of the matter is that the paragraph describes multiple, distinct elements - in other words, it is not a coherent paragraph, per se, and as such readily lends itself to a bullet list. The bullet list was perfectly appropriate.
If you have a better suggestion for improving or restructuring this paragraph, by all means make it, but imperiously declaring that a bullet list is not appropriate for the introduction, and then reverting without making any improvement, is, well, imperious. What do you suggest? How would you improve this? How would you make this accessible? And who are you to decide how this article should look?
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vague please elaborate Lispenard (talk) 04:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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Thanks for restoring the old infobox. I just wanted to spruce things up w/ a portrait. -NW Navywalrus (talk) 07:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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Here's your original sentence to which you have reverted:
Having eaten the first cookie, Gifre could stop eating cookies, which is the best alternative. But after having tasted one cookie, Gifre would freely decide to continue eating cookies until the whole bag is finished, which would result in a terrible stomach ache and would be the worst alternative.
I don't accept the logic of your reason for reversion, but even if the logic is correct, then in the phrase "could stop eating cookies", could should also be would. I still contend that could is logically and semantically correct in both instances.
I won't undo your reversion (if at all) at least until I hear your side. Harry Audus (talk) 22:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
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For all the work you've done creating, expanding and improving important philosophy articles, and for putting up with recent discussions at WikiProject Philosophy here and at de.wiki. Alduin2000 (talk) 18:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC) |
(P.S. I also realised that per WP:NOATT you didn't need to add copied templates to deontology at all, so sorry for wasting some of your time by suggesting that!) Alduin2000 (talk) 18:37, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for making a suggestion at Ontology that could salvage at least some of my work there. I'm done editing that page, because the conversation became too toxic for me to enjoy it anymore. Maybe I'd revisit it later. I hope you will make the edit you suggested. Have a nice day.Larataguera (talk) 15:45, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
I'd be interested to see what you would do to improve this article, if you're interested: Criteria of truth. Biogeographist (talk) 14:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
criteri*
in The Oxford Handbook of Truth, which turned up some possible leads in multiple chapters, including the chapter on "Truth pluralism", which suggests right away a link to Pluralist theories of truth, which I just added to the article's "See also" section. Biogeographist (talk) 18:21, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hi Phlsph7. You've added multiple short form reference ls to this article, without defining what those works are. For instance you've added "Håkansson & Westander 2013" but you need to add a full cite to explain what work that is referring to. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 17:51, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi, again, thank you for your original review of the GAN for Huntsville, Alabama. I've rewritten a lot of the article and changed the things you suggested, and have renominated in. Would you mind reviewing it again? Thank you! --MyCatIsAChonk (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Major stations include WHNT 19.1 CBS, WHIQ 25.1 PBS/Alabama Public Television, WAFF 48.1 NBC, and WZDX 54.1 FOX.
The airport is a general aviation airport and does not have any regularly-scheduled commercial services.
The former chief of police was appointed as its director.
These organizations are located in Huntsville but operate both in the city and outside with HCRU responding to many cave rescue calls coming from caves well outside the city limits.
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" to exclude the subsubsection from the overview.Nice work! Such vital-topic articles deserve it. After it passes the GA hurdle (shouldn't be too difficult) please consider nominating it for DYK for some Main Page exposure. BorgQueen (talk) 09:01, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
I thought this might be quicker for reviewers to read. If you don't like it, please feel free to revert. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:26, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
<ref name="Levi" group="Notes">Levi (2012), pp. 32–37.</ref>
<ref name="Levi" group="Notes">Numbers are given as thousands of pairs of Levi jeans sold worldwide in each year.</ref>
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Today this concept [conscious] has become part of semantics, psychiatry and neurology [meaning, cognition, perception]. When talking in general conversation...try using awareness and natural. The lead paragraph for Experience is without category or content, "needs major work". Please review what you know about conscious, it has very much changed because of Process philosophy for philosophy...Thanks for kind tolerance of my attempts to edit.Arnbiology (talk) 17:12, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
The lead paragraph for Experience is without category or content. The very first sentence associated the term with various categories. And this is a form of content.
Hello, Phlsph7! I've considered your reversion of an edit done by myself, done in Logic, however, there really aren't much sources to this concept and the reason of such edit was for readers to start conceiving this idea. Greetings! Active2023 (talk) 01:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
By the way, did you understand these logical sentences that were written? Active2023 (talk) 14:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Phylsph7. Thank you for your work on the Logical reasoning wiki. I have completed the initial review. I've put it on hold because of a copyright question-mark concerning the Versailles propaganda poster. More details in the comments on 6b. All else was a pass. Please correct or update the image. The caption was good and relevant and I would hate to see you not add any image to your "As a skill" section over a copyright concern especially when propaganda examples are easy to access. Case in point, the top item in the "Did you know..." section for 18 April 2023 is an example of propaganda you could use. That wiki in fact discusses the logical merits of that British recruitment poster and would be a good example to use in the stead of the Versailles poster. Let me know if you have any questions. I will likely update the review within 24 hours of your corrections. Non-pegasus (talk) 00:07, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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