User talk:ChrisG
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Angela 11:45, Oct 18, 2003 (UTC)
Great work on the Dune summaries, nicely done :) Was just about to greet you myself, so greetings! Dysprosia 11:46, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Chris, I have no problems with that paragraph. Adam 23:41, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)
"Jesus is considered to be a major religious figure by several other religions" - I am still entirely unpersuaded that this is true. Lir's examples amounted to two Christian sects, the Mormons and the Rastas, and a few obscure cults no-one has ever heard of. But if no-one else is willing to argue about it, I don't think I can be bothered. :/ Adam 11:32, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- In order for there to be a compromise, there should be an actual compromise; some kind of "giving of ground" on both sides. The above paragraph, as far as I can tell, does not in any way reflect the information which I was trying to add (and that Carr was trying to delete); those points being A: Jesus is seen as the fulfillment of the Judaic Messainic prophecies B: Jesus is seen, by a significant group, as an ascetic; while the new paragraph does include some of my edits, it does not compromise on those points for which the edit war occurred. I support the below paragraphs, which are a compromise:
- Jesus Christ (or Jesus of Nazareth, see alternate names below) (c. 4 BC - c. 30) was, according to the Christian religion, the Messiah and Son of God; who brought salvation to humanity, through his crucifixion and resurrection. Jesus is recognized by several other religions, for instance, many Muslims consider him to have been an ascetic prophet.
- The primary source of historical knowledge, about Jesus, is contained within the Gospels, which Christians view as the divinely inspired writings of God. Most secular historians accept that the Gospels are sufficient evidence that Jesus existed; but, do not agree that the details, or particulars of his life and death, are accurately expressed by the Gospels.
Well I'm sorry to be difficult, Lir, but there are limits to compromise. If you say 2 and 2 make 4, and I say 2 and 2 make 6, it is not a compromise to say that 2 and 2 make 5, because one statement is true and the other is false, and a compromise between truth and untruth is still untruth. I think your statement that "other religions" recognise Jesus is bunk, and when I asked you to substantiate it you were unable to do so. I still think, therefore, that it should be deleted.
I have decided, however, that as a secular historian I can't participate in trying to negotiate the editing this article, because people like you have too great a stake in your theological position to be able to discuss the question in the vocabulary of rationalism, whose assumptions you don't share. I am therefore withdrawing, and I might at some future time write an article of my own called Jesus as historical figure where I can write from evidence rather than have to argue with zealots. Adam 13:47, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
At present I feel there is not enough room in the Internet for Lir and me, but I may feel more amenable tomorrow :) Adam 14:22, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Chris, please comment on Talk:Jesus Christ about whether I should now unprotect Jesus Christ. (If you reply here, then I may not see it.) -- Toby Bartels 19:14, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)
After viewing the page history of Jesus Christ, I noticed that you made many minor edits during the course of a short time, leaving the history log flooded. Here at Wikipedia, we attempt to track and review each and every contribution, especially the articles in feverish dispute, so as to ensure we have credible and neutral encyclopedic material. You're effort and contributions are much appreciated so please understand when I suggest, for future edits, to modify an article intently in fewer edits. Take care. Usedbook 11:49, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Chris, you seem to be turning the Dolphin brain page into a page about the cognition, behavior, and training of dolphins. If you want to discuss these things -- which are tangental to the discussion of the dolphin brain -- perhaps you could do so on a Dolphin cognition, behavior, and training page? orthogonal 18:42, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Dolphin Brain/Dolphin intelligence
The article is a redirect from Dolphin intelligence. So it is therefore about both. I would be fine about moving it all to a dolphin intelligence page of its own, and restoring the shell you created about dolphin brain, i.e. splitting the pages. It is not about dolphin, cognition, behaviour and training, if people are looking for a page on dolphins they will mostly likely either type in Dolphin or Dolphin intelligence. :ChrisG
- The dolphin brain article started as dolphin intelligence, but was initially filled with extremely speculative stuff (and a copyright violation besides, as was found out later); people the tried to make it a little more encyclopedic, and in the process the page was moved to its current title, leaving the redirect behind. So if there is enough information to justify a split, if would be fine to just do it. Kosebamse 19:26, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Okay I'll split it when I next get back on Wikipedia. I think there is enough room on Wikipedia for a dolphin brain and dolphin intelligence page. A good reason to split them. : ChrisG 19:35, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)